Edifying vs Worship

[Johan]

I'm simply responding to the things you've been putting forward.

Sure. I spoke, you spoke, I spoke and you spoke. So we spoke both and not all can decide on what is Truth to them.

If doing so seems circular to you, then at least part of why has to do you with how you've been responding (or not, actually) to my replies to your posts.

That is admitting to this topic having become "circular" in many points.

The "son of perdition" is not a modern-day pastor. No such statement is ever made in the New Testament. The "title" is applied only to Judas and the anti-Christ, in Scripture.

You are welcome to respond on it again. I already made mine. No need for me to strife with it with you. Everyone will now decide for themselves who the son of perdition is. I did warn you of your strife spirit.

The Holy Spirit is on the side of God's Truth revealed in His word, the Bible. Of the two of us, who has been more careful with that Truth, not stretching or twisting it beyond what it actually says and misapplying it?

That everyone will decide. No use telling me i have to do it. And neither you can do that. But you are welcome to say it is "me" as you are saying now. But all will decide for themselves. No use saying it was "not you" but "me".

House churches are not protected from being "dead Christianity" merely by being in a house. My younger brother's experience in the House Church movement illustrates this well.

You missed what I said about the House Churches where God is in charge and speaking all the Words and doing all the actions. Your Brother obviously was in a wrong one. Which was just as the "worship meetings" ruled by the "son of perdition" who stood in the place of God and said and did his own things.

I still don't understand why you've made where the Church meets such a big deal.

I never did. You missed most of it. But it is all there and you can go and read again what I actually said. Without twisting it to what suits you.

Not all Christians ought to speak in the gatherings of the Church.

That is not what the Word said in the Scripture I gave you. But I said it already. so you are welcome to read back on it.

and all indwelt equally by the Holy Spirit.

That is admitting all should speak in the same Power and act in the Same Power in their various ministries. As I already said.

This isn't what the verse says, though. Paul criticized "striving over words to no profit" and in a way that "subverted the hearers" of the debate about terms.

Striving is always evil. There is never "profit". I did warn you of it ruling your life.

Actually, all they have to do is consider what we've written in the light of God's word and see whose statements about God's Truth handles His Truth most carefully.

Again. All will decide for themselves. Under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

But without the boundaries and structure of God's Truth confining and supporting that relationship there is only spiritual chaos and danger.

Where God speaks and acts He is the "boundaries" and nothing else is needed. Seems you missed this point also in being blinded by the strife spirit.

You aren't an apostle as the First Apostles of the Early Church were.

As you previously admitted to. I have the same Spirit and the Same Power. In my ministry. Where I am not a copy of Paul but no less Powerful.

But as such, you have none of the spiritual power, or authority, or special revelation of God possessed by the First Apostles.

That is contradicting your own words. I have the same Holy Spirit. Meaning the same Power, Authority and Revelation in Power. Just used in my time in my ministry which is not a copy of Paul's ministry. That is what happens when the strife spirit closes your eyes.

I might, if it interests me.

Interesting topics are guiding you? That is not what you previously said.

??? Run away?

Why else if you don't pitch up? Then we know the Rebuking here nailed your coffin.

It has done all that I've just described in my own life and so, it is vitally-important to me that it be proclaimed well, without contortion or corruption.

I thought only if it "interests you"?

They may desire sincerely to teach God's Truth but, because they reason poorly, and have no idea how to properly interpret Scripture, and want the Bible to say what they want it to say, they are prime, though usually unwitting, agents through whom the devil corrupts the Truth of God's word.

So you speak to those who are "agents of the devil who corrupts the Word of God? I thought you said you speak in interesting topics only?

So, then, it isn't at all that I'm looking for strife but that many who set themselves out as teachers of God's Truth online are spiritually immature, bad thinkers, and biblically-illiterate.

This time you say you speak against those who are spiritually immature, bad thinkers and biblically illiterate?

So we have these three cases now from you.

1. You speak only on what interests you.
2. You speak against those controlled by the devil
3. You speak against the ignorant.

So of course you have to appear on all my topics. Because you already said that both 2 and 3 are the reason for striving with me. And you said you have to be on topics where you see that. You can kick out the actual reason of "only if it is interesting".



But don't worry. I can handle it. I Rebuke it and used it to do Edifying of all and all can learn what Edifying is all about. And what Rebuking is all about. Because it is time for Jesus to manifest in Judgment and Ruling Authority in being Judge and King. And I am assisting all in Edifying them to enter that Anointing.

 

[Johan]

Just where did 3k believers meet?

In many houses. With 12 Brothers with Apostolic Gifts to assist them to start speaking in their Gifts too.

Are you like the JW's

Nope. Where do they say what I said?

Are you like the JW's etc who believer All Christians from the 1st century up to date are not worshipping , serving God as they meet in the buildings they call a church?

You missed what I actually said. Seems you also have a strife spirit?

Let us move over to the next topic. What needed to be said on this topic is said. No use running in circles. Where "Equality builds on Edifying Meetings" of all the Brothers. And worship meetings create poor and wealthy Brothers in lack of Equality.

Thread 'Equality of the Brotherhood'

Sunday at 1:12 AM

The Brotherhood is a Loved existence by any father and The Father. They always establishes equality between their kids. Where one kind of one father is treated unfair like we saw with Joseph and his "coat" then jealousy rules and evil actions manifests. Where God of course uses that to His Glory.

And the same in the 45000 denominations where the wealthy Brothers lives in a "woe".

Luke 6: 24 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.
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We see this enormous Glory of The Father in Acts. Where all who were more...

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[Tenchi]

If doing so seems circular to you, then at least part of why has to do you with how you've been responding (or not, actually) to my replies to your posts.

"That is admitting to this topic having become "circular" in many points."

No. Read carefully what I wrote: "If doing so seems circular TO YOU..." See? I wrote only that if YOU (not me) thought the conversation had grown circular, your own responses were, in part, to blame.

I did warn you of your strife spirit.

It takes two to strive.

I never did.

??? Yes, you did. Your whole OP was taken up with discussing the "right meeting" of the Church in houses and gatherings of 2-3 people.

"As a Real Church we now enter Meetings with others who are also Real Churches. And these Meetings are the Meetings in the Name of Jesus in 2 and 3 Persons through our day."

"And in Meetings in the Name of Jesus in houses."

"We enter these two Scriptural Meetings to Live and Be the Church of the Living God. These Meetings are called Edifying Meetings where the Living God is Edifying us or creates us as His Temples."

"All who deviated from Scripture with their own meetings which exists in laws of man are the Synagogues of Satan because of their existences as a lie and the person conducting those meetings in the place of the Living God the sons of perdition."

I did warn you of your strife spirit.

It takes two to strive. And, anyway, your just saying I have a "strife spirit" (whatever that is) doesn't make it so. This characterization of me is called an ad hominem, a to-the-man attack on me personally, which is a fallacious form of argument. Usually, ad hominem is used when a person's argument has failed and they've got nothing else but name-calling to resort to.

Striving is always evil.

Nope. Jesus strove against the Pharisees (Matthew 23; John 8); Paul strove with Peter (Galatians 2:11), with Barnabas (Acts 15), with the Judaizers in the province of Galatia (Galatians 3-5); Peter strove against false teachers (2 Peter 2) and the religious elite of his day (Acts 4); John strove with corrupters of the Church, too (1 John).

Proverbs 28:4
4 Those who forsake the law praise the wicked, But those who keep the law strive with them.

Luke 13:24
24 "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

Romans 15:30
30 Now I urge you, brethren, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God for me,

Hebrews 12:4
4 You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin;

And so on.

I did warn you of it ruling your life.

??? You know nothing of my life. And, as you can see above, your "warning" arises from serious ignorance of God's Truth.

Seems you missed this point also in being blinded by the strife spirit.

??? I'm not the one making blatantly false statements. See above.

As you previously admitted to. I have the same Spirit and the Same Power. In my ministry. Where I am not a copy of Paul but no less Powerful.

I have never "admitted" to any such thing. This is your contortion of my remarks - just like the contortions you've made of God's word.

You may have the Holy Spirit dwelling within you, but have nothing like the supernatural authority and filling of the Spirit enjoyed by the First Apostles. Your posts in this thread make this abundantly obvious.

Interesting topics are guiding you? That is not what you previously said.

Is this what I wrote? No. Read my comment again.

Why else if you don't pitch up? Then we know the Rebuking here nailed your coffin.

Oookay...

I thought only if it "interests you"?

No, this is your mistaken contortion of what I wrote. Go back and read again what I actually wrote. There is no "only" in my remark. This is your contorting addition to what I wrote.

So we have these three cases now from you.

1. You speak only on what interests you.
2. You speak against those controlled by the devil
3. You speak against the ignorant.

Here's a great example of why you've been getting the "wrong end of the stick" with God's word.

1. Did I use the word "only"? Nope.
2. Did I write of those controlled by the devil? Nope.
3. Did I speak against the ignorant? Nope.

1. "If it interests me." Where's the "only" in this sentence? Nowhere.

2. "They may desire sincerely to teach God's Truth but, because they reason poorly, and have no idea how to properly interpret Scripture, and want the Bible to say what they want it to say, they are prime, though usually unwitting, agents through whom the devil corrupts the Truth of God's word."

Where's the phrase "controlled by the devil" in this sentence? Again, nowhere.

3. "So, then, it isn't at all that I'm looking for strife but that many who set themselves out as teachers of God's Truth online are spiritually immature, bad thinkers, and biblically-illiterate.

Where's the statement "I speak against the ignorant"? Nowhere. Again.

In all three of the above instances, you've added to what I've written, or given what's called a "Strawman" version of what I wrote that is offered in place of what I actually wrote because it's easier to knock down. All throughout our back-and-forth you've done the very same thing with God's word and, just as you have with my own words, arrived at a very mistaken idea about it. As this has become clearer and clearer, you've not admitted to your mistakes but have just resorted more and more to oblique name-calling, and misstating my remarks, and even playing the martyr. Amazing. And disturbing.

So looking spiritually at everything is conformation that you are actually controlled by the "strife spirit".

Uh huh. You don't say...

But don't worry. I can handle it. I Rebuke it and used it to do Edifying of all and all can learn what Edifying is all about. And what Rebuking is all about. Because it is time for Jesus to manifest in Judgment and Ruling Authority in being Judge and King. And I am assisting all in Edifying them to enter that Anointing.

This isn't what's actually happening in this thread. Not at all. But, hey, if you're determined to tell yourself these things, no one can stop you.

 

[Who Me]

In many houses. With 12 Brothers with Apostolic Gifts to assist them to start speaking in their Gifts too.

3000 believers meeting in houses! Actually scripture says they met in the temple courts until persecution drove them away.

You missed what I actually said

No I pointed out that your views are similar to JW.
In that All Christians prior to them were in error and that is what you appear to be saying.

And worship meetings create poor and wealthy Brothers in lack of Equality.

Please explain this.

 

[Johan]

3000 believers meeting in houses! Actually scripture says they met in the temple courts until persecution drove them away.

They only met in the temple to not offend the religious unnecessary. But their real meetings were in houses.

Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

No I pointed out that your views are similar to JW.

Interesting. Which one?

In that All Christians prior to them were in error and that is what you appear to be saying.

All religions in all 45 000 denominations have this spirit of strife. And Paul did warn all.


1 Cor 3: 1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? 5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

Please explain this.

That would make it totally off topic. Because I created a whole thread for that important issue. So let us move over to that one. This one is now done. This one can only create more strife. All reading here should now decide for themselves where the Spiritual Growth really will be found. If they are interested.