Edifying vs Worship

[Johan]

In 3 days the Real Church was build.

John 2:
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.


Paul also mentioned this in Revelation because He never heard Jesus actually say it.

1 Cor. 3:
9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God’s husbandry, ye are God’s building.
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.
14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
] And the Real Church is build by the Word of the Church which is Jesus. Where He was the Living Word in Being the Church Himself which manifested in the Living God speaking and acting from Him. But He was not the Real Church. He was the Word of the Real Church. And through the Word of the Real Church it was created by the Living Word in 3 days. Which was the death and resurrection of the Living God, Jehovah/Yahweh in Jesus. And in Revelation we are all being build as the Real Church and start Living in being One with God as our Father in Jesus.


As a Real Church we now enter Meetings with others who are also Real Churches. And these Meetings are the Meetings in the Name of Jesus in 2 and 3 Persons through our day.

Mat. 18:
19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

And in Meetings in the Name of Jesus in houses.

1 Cor. 14: 26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

We enter these two Scriptural Meetings to Live and Be the Church of the Living God. These Meetings are called Edifying Meetings where the Living God is Edifying us or creates us as His Temples. And He uses each one of us to do that. In giving each one of us Gifts by which we enter Edifying in His Presence in Meetings He hold. Where all learn to follow His guidance in these two Scriptural Meetings.


This of course brings now the Revelation on the “Synagogues of Satan” into perspective.

Rev.3:
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

And now we see the “son of perdition too.

2 Thess. 2:
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
might be saved.


All who deviated from Scripture with their own meetings which exists in laws of man are the Synagogues of Satan because of their existences as a lie and the person conducting those meetings in the place of the Living God the sons of perdition. These meetings are also as result not Edifying Meetings by the Living God but “worship meetings of mankind to its “god”. The one is Meeting of the Father raising His Children in His Life and the other is the slaves worshiping its “god” in the worship spirit which God created for that purpose. Which is not the Holy Spirit. Because the Holy Spirit can only Love God as Father and not worship God as slave.

 

[Who Me]

I think k you are making church attendance overly complicated.
Jesus's habit, as was the apostles was to attend the synagogue, until they expelled or stopped listening.
So we too should regularly attend so we bring the Holy Spirit into that meeting and by our presence be an encouragement to others.

We are not Christians for what we get out of it, neither do we attend church only for our benefit.

 

[Johan]

I think k you are making church attendance overly complicated.

In revelation we see that we are the church. Built by the Word of the Church which is Jesus. And we have two types of meetings we enter where we speak the Words our Dad gives us in our Spirit to speak. One is the meetings in 2 and 3 persons and the other is the meetings in houses. There is no other Scriptural meetings. The others are created as a lie and from Lucifer.

Jesus's habit, as was the apostles was to attend the synagogue, until they expelled or stopped listening.

Jesus went once or twice because it was part of His tradition. And mentioned that that church in which God stayed in the "holiest of holies" were being replaced by another He is going to build in 3 days. Which was of course every believer who opens up His Spirit for God to enter there and then that believer becomes a Real Church of the Living God. From where God speaks and acts.

Paul on the other hand were totally different. He was already a Temple which God created in 3 days. He went to all and then invited them all to the "house meetings" the Living God sent Him out to create in all towns. Where the Living God was speaking and acting from Him in Him being His Temple. And He assisted all in the house meetings to be also Temples of the Living God and enter speaking in their Gifts in the Holy Spirit. And in many towns the religious Jews were unhappy with the Apostolic Gift on Paul by which He created these "house meetings" and started persecuting him.

So we too should regularly attend so we bring the Holy Spirit into that meeting and by our presence be an encouragement to others.

Yep. We have to attend house meetings where all are Temples of God and God assist us to be Temples of Him from where He speaks and acts too.

We are not Christians for what we get out of it, neither do we attend church only for our benefit.

Sure. We can not be Edified always. There comes a time that we enter doing Edifying too. Which is allowing for the Holy Spirit to speak and act through us in Edifying other Brothers who is new and younger and needs our Gift to grow up in what we entered.

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[Tenchi]

In 3 days the Real Church was build.

John 2:
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Jesus was speaking of himself when he said he'd raise up in three days the temple the Jews would destroy. The "temple" was his own body which was raised three days after his death (vs. 21). What, then, do you mean by "the Real Church" as it relates to this passage? Are you saying "the Real Church" is Jesus Christ? Scripture calls born-again people the Body of Christ, the living extension of himself in the world (1 Corinthians 12:12-13, 27), who are also the Church (1 Corinthians 1:2; Colossians 1:18; 1 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 12:22-23, etc.).

Paul also mentioned this in Revelation because He never heard Jesus actually say it.

1 Cor. 3:
9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God’s husbandry, ye are God’s building.
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.
14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
] And the Real Church is build by the Word of the Church which is Jesus. Where He was the Living Word in Being the Church Himself which manifested in the Living God speaking and acting from Him. But He was not the Real Church. He was the Word of the Real Church. And through the Word of the Real Church it was created by the Living Word in 3 days. Which was the death and resurrection of the Living God, Jehovah/Yahweh in Jesus. And in Revelation we are all being build as the Real Church and start Living in being One with God as our Father in Jesus.

Well, Paul explained in various of his letters to the Early Church that the only Church - the "Real Church," as you call it - is the "Body" of Christ which is constituted of all genuine Christians individually and collectively. It is through the Church, indwelt by the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:9; Philippians 1:19; 1 Corinthians 3:16; 6:19-20; 1 John 4:13), that Christ intends to manifest himself in the world.

2 Corinthians 4:6-11
6 For God, who said, "Light shall shine out of darkness," is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the surpassing greatness of the power will be of God and not from ourselves;
8 we are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not despairing;
9 persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed;
10 always carrying about in the body the dying of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body.
11 For we who live are constantly being delivered over to death for Jesus' sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh.

Romans 8:29
29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;

2 Corinthians 3:18
18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

So, then, the distinction between the Body of Christ, the Church, and Christ himself, who is the Head of the Church, is not a distinction the Bible makes along the lines that you have where there is a "Real Church" and the "Word" of the Living Church that are the Body of Believers and Jesus Christ, respectively. Certainly, the rather tangled explanation you've given above is not echoed in God's word, so I wonder why you're proposing it.

As a Real Church we now enter Meetings with others who are also Real Churches.

The Bible never refers to children of God as "Real Churches" so why do you?

We enter these two Scriptural Meetings to Live and Be the Church of the Living God.

This isn't what the Bible says. Christians meet together as the Church collectively but are the Church individually wherever they are. As a "temple" of the Holy Spirit, each member of the Body of Christ bears the Spirit of Christ as a "treasure in an earthen vessel" which they do whether or not they are meeting together.

These Meetings are called Edifying Meetings where the Living God is Edifying us or creates us as His Temples.

Well, God isn't creating the Church as He edifies it through the individual Christian's use of their spiritual gifting. He is building up the Church in the way Paul described in Ephesians 4:11-16, but not bringing it into being as "creating" suggests.

All who deviated from Scripture with their own meetings which exists in laws of man are the Synagogues of Satan because of their existences as a lie and the person conducting those meetings in the place of the Living God the sons of perdition.

It seems that English is not your first language. This is making it difficult to understand what you're writing. The "synagogue of Satan" simply refers to those declaring themselves Jews but who were not. In actuality, they were of the devil, their religious meetings together having a corresponding Satanic character. There is nothing more that is offered in explanation of the "synagogue of Satan" description in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9. Your remarks in the quotation above, then, say more than the Bible does concerning these "synagogues" of the devil. Be careful in doing this. It's very easy to twist God's word when you start adding to it.

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[Tenchi]

These meetings are also as result not Edifying Meetings by the Living God but “worship meetings of mankind to its “god”. The one is Meeting of the Father raising His Children in His Life and the other is the slaves worshiping its “god” in the worship spirit which God created for that purpose. Which is not the Holy Spirit. Because the Holy Spirit can only Love God as Father and not worship God as slave.

It's not clear, the distinctions you're trying to make here. What does it mean to be "a worship meeting of mankind to its 'god'"? You say it is "slaves worshipping it's 'god'" but what, exactly does this mean? What does such worship look like? You don't say, but only hint at what you mean by the phrase "worship God as slave." How does one do this, exactly?

And we have two types of meetings we enter where we speak the Words our Dad gives us in our Spirit to speak. One is the meetings in 2 and 3 persons and the other is the meetings in houses. There is no other Scriptural meetings. The others are created as a lie and from Lucifer.

Ah. So, you're asserting that only small group and house church gatherings are properly spiritual? Where does God's word restrict any other sort of gathering of the saints of God? Nowhere. There isn't a single verse in all of the Bible that forbids the gathering of Christians in the manner of the modern church.

You don't seem to understand the Is-Ought Fallacy. This fallacy mistakes what is described (in Scripture) for what ought to be. Basically, you're making a description into a prescription. And so, you've taken two kinds of meetings of believers described in the NT and made them a prescription for all meetings of believers in all times and places. But those biblical descriptions don't come with an accompanying command, or prescription, that all Christians everywhere and in every time must do likewise. Why, then, are you asserting that these descriptions are prescriptive?

Why would the believers in the Early Church meet in the way we do today? We are 2000 years removed from the time of the Early Church, living in a radically different circumstance from the first Christians. Most importantly (to what you're asserting), in the first century AD, there were relatively few Christians - only thousands, initially - not multi-millions of them, like today. And so, it made sense for them to meet in small groups and in homes. There is no biblical command, however, for Christians always to do so.

Jesus went once or twice because it was part of His tradition.

This isn't what Jesus said:

Matthew 26:55
55 At that hour Jesus said to the crowds, “Have you come out as against a robber, with swords and clubs to capture me? Day after day I sat in the temple teaching, and you did not seize me.

Mark 14:49
49 I was daily with you in the temple teaching...

Luke also records:

Luke 19:45-47
45 And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought;
46 Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.
47 And he taught daily in the temple...

And mentioned that that church in which God stayed in the "holiest of holies" were being replaced by another He is going to build in 3 days.

As I pointed out earlier, the "temple" Jesus would "rebuild" was his own body which would be resurrected. It was not a new temple replacing the traditional temple building in which the Jews worshipped and sacrificed.

Which was of course every believer who opens up His Spirit for God to enter there and then that believer becomes a Real Church of the Living God. From where God speaks and acts.

This isn't what the verse you cited says. Consider it in its immediate context:

John 2:18-22
18 So the Jews said to him, “What sign do you show us for doing these things?”
19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
20 The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?”
21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body.
22 , and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.
When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this...
As you can see, the passage makes it very clear that the "temple" Jesus was referring to was his own body that would be "destroyed" by crucifixion and buried but then would be resurrected three days later.

Paul on the other hand were totally different. He was already a Temple which God created in 3 days.

There is no place in the New Testament that says this. Why, then, are you?

And in many towns the religious Jews were unhappy with the Apostolic Gift on Paul by which He created these "house meetings" and started persecuting him.

There is no verse in the New Testament that says - or implies - that Paul was persecuted by the Jews because he was starting "house meetings." This is what you've made up from your tangled mishandling of God's word.

 

[Johan]

Scripture calls born-again people the Body of Christ, the living extension of himself in the world

Yep. We are the Body of Christ. Just as He was. And in us the Living God resides. In each of us. And He teaches each of us to be just like Jesus. Speaking and Acting in Power by the Words and Acts we discern in our Body which is from Him.

Well, Paul explained in various of his letters to the Early Church that the only Church - the "Real Church," as you call it - is the "Body" of Christ which is constituted of all genuine Christians individually and collectively.

Yep. Paul said the same as Jesus. We are all the Body of Christ. Personally and together.

The Bible never refers to children of God as "Real Churches" so why do you?

They were created by the Word of Jesus to be that. They are the manifestation of the Word of God. Where Jesus was the Word of their creation. Which is exactly the same as He is.

This isn't what the Bible says. Christians meet together as the Church collectively but are the Church individually wherever they are. As a "temple" of the Holy Spirit, each member of the Body of Christ bears the Spirit of Christ as a "treasure in an earthen vessel" which they do whether or not they are meeting together.

I agree. We are all individually the Church and together too. Because a Church is the place where the Living God stays. In each of us.

Well, God isn't creating the Church as He edifies it through the individual Christian's use of their spiritual gifting.

He is raising each of us as His Church in building us more and more to the "blueprint" of Jesus. And this He does through each of us doing Edifying in His Meetings in houses.

It seems that English is not your first language.

Yep. But through the Spirit we will understand each other.

"synagogue of Satan" simply refers to those declaring themselves Jews but who were not.

Sure. These days they are the religious too. Just as they were in those days.

The "synagogue of Satan" simply refers to those declaring themselves Jews but who were not. In actuality, they were of the devil, their religious meetings together having a corresponding Satanic character.

Yep. The religious are of the "devil's creation". And their meetings a Satanic character where they exists as mankind in their laws and not in the Holy Spirit of God guiding them.

What does it mean to be "a worship meeting of mankind to its 'god'"? You say it is "slaves worshipping it's 'god'" but what, exactly does this mean?

It mean that the Holy Spirit can not worship God. In the Holy Spirit you Love God as your Dad. You are not His slave to worship Him in being inferior to Him. You Love Him in "Abba Father/Daddy" in the Holy Spirit manifesting this Love from your body as His Child in the Name of Jesus. Where you are the same as your Father.

Gal. 4:
1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

Ah. So, you're asserting that only small group and house church gatherings are properly spiritual?

Sure. That is what the Living God, Jehovah/Yahweh sent His Kids with Apostolic Gifts out to create in all towns. Where all in those meetings were raised by "Apostles" to be the same as they were. Also operating in their own Gifts in the power of the Holy Spirit and went out to create also some more "house meetings". And so forth. That is how the first Christian Church grew so fast. By the Power of the Anointing in all the Gifted Kids of God being Temples to God. Where they took Him where He wanted to be and they spoke there and did there what He wanted to do from them. Just as He did in Jesus and then in all the Apostles.

Where does God's word restrict any other sort of gathering of the saints of God? Nowhere.

Ah! So you admit there is no other type of meeting in Scripture. They are "additions". And as such a lie and a "Synagogue of Satan" with the "son of perdition" who rules there and no Edifying is happening by the Living God in their man created lie.

Why would the believers in the Early Church meet in the way we do today? We are 2000 years removed from the time of the Early Church, living in a radically different circumstance from the first Christians.

Ah! Some more diviation from Scripture which you admit to. God can never change. And His Way and His Meeting can never change. But mankind did it. Or rather religion of man's mind did it to suit mankind. Because now they can have their own meetings and create slaves to worship them with their "titles" and their "god". Where all the "members" are not Brothers anymore but only slaves to enrich them.

And so, it made sense for them to meet in small groups and in homes. There is no biblical command, however, for Christians always to do so.

Ah! Saying it made sense to them is a lie. It was their Obedience to God and not their own "creations" in their "sense to them". That is how an Apostle did in those days and that is how they are still doing in their Gifts. Neither they nor God can change. God is still creating His own Meetings where He is in charge and no "human with his laws" in robbing the poor for this "buildings of bricks" and his "salary".

This isn't what Jesus said:

Then tell us what He said.

There is no place in the New Testament that says this. Why, then, are you?

Just Rebuke my lie.

There is no verse in the New Testament that says - or implies - that Paul was persecuted by the Jews because he was starting "house meetings."

Then tell us why were he persecuted if not for His meetings He was "hosting for the Living God" and the Words the Living God spoke in those Meetings and the Power which manifested from the Living God and His actions in those meetings.

 

[Tenchi]

Yep. We are the Body of Christ. Just as He was. And in us the Living God resides. In each of us. And He teaches each of us to be just like Jesus. Speaking and Acting in Power by the Words and Acts we discern in our Body which is from Him.

Okay. I don't know, though, what you mean by "acting in power by the words and acts we discern in our body which is from him." Whose "words and acts" are we discerning in our body? And what body do you mean? The spiritual body of Christ, the Church, or our physical bodies in which the Spirit resides?

They were created by the Word of Jesus to be that.

"The Word of Jesus"? Are you talking here, then, of words Jesus has spoken? Or do you mean Jesus who is the Word, the Word of God (John 1:1-2). "Of" and "is" are distinctly different terms, the former a preposition, that latter, a verb. The New Testament never refers to Jesus in the manner you do above: the Word of Jesus.

Anyway, again, the New Testament never refers to Christians as the "Real Church." They are called the Body of Christ, the Church, saints, priests and kings, adopted children of God, joint-heirs with Christ, and so on, but never the "Real Church." It's strange, then, that you aren't content to refer to Christians in the way God does in His word, the Bible and suggests you are not careful about adding to His words.

They are the manifestation of the Word of God. Where Jesus was the Word of their creation. Which is exactly the same as He is.

I suppose you could describe Christians as a "manifestation" of the Word of God, who is Christ. Sort of. But, again, the New Testament never describes born-again people in this way. They are "temples" of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 3:16; 6:19-20), "vessels" for the Master's use (2 Timothy 2:21), "sheep" of the Good Shepherd (John 10:27-29), "branches" in the Vine (John 15:4-5), and beloved children of God (Romans 8:15-17), but never referred to as "manifestations" of Jesus. So, then, again, why are you using terms the Bible never does? Why aren't the Bible's terms enough?

By the way, it is obviously untrue that we are "exactly the same" as Jesus. Jesus is God; we aren't. Jesus created a universe; we haven't and can't. Jesus is perfect in righteousness; we are sin-cursed and imperfect. Jesus atoned for the sins of all mankind; we can't atone even for our own sins. Jesus, as God, is omniscient; we are, in comparison to him, incredibly ignorant. And so on. It is clearly false, then, to say we are "exactly the same" as Jesus.

He is raising each of us as His Church in building us more and more to the "blueprint" of Jesus. And this He does through each of us doing Edifying in His Meetings in houses.

This isn't what the Bible indicates (particularly the house meetings bit). Yes, God uses the Body of Believers, the Church, to edify each individual member of the Body, but it is actually the work of the Holy Spirit in and through each individual member of the Body who is responsible for the growth of each individual Christian and the edification of the Church as a whole. And so, all throughout the NT, the Holy Spirit is described as the Power Source for Christian living, convicting, teaching, strengthening, comforting, and changing each individual born-again person. (John 16:8; John 14:26; 1 Corinthians 2:10-16; Philippians 2:13; Ephesians 3:16; 2 Corinthians 3:18; Galatians 5:22-23, etc.) The Spirit does this whether or not the individual believer is company with other believers or not.

It mean that the Holy Spirit can not worship God. In the Holy Spirit you Love God as your Dad. You are not His slave to worship Him in being inferior to Him. You Love Him in "Abba Father/Daddy" in the Holy Spirit manifesting this Love from your body as His Child in the Name of Jesus. Where you are the same as your Father.

Nowhere does the Bible say "The Holy Spirit can't worship God." I suspect this is, in part, because the Holy Spirit is God. You're correct, though, that the agape love of the Spirit can fill us and cause us to love God as we ought to love Him (Galatians 5:22; Romans 5:5). But, though God is the Christian's heavenly Father, He is still GOD. He is not like an earthly father with whom we share a fundamental nature, who is human and thus weak, ignorant and imperfect just like we are. No, though our heavenly Father, God is also our Master, King and Ruler. Yes, we may come boldly to His throne of grace, but it is to a THRONE we come, not a sofa or chair. And so, to Christians the Bible says,

Hebrews 12:28-29
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Hebrews 12:9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh who corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Romans 12:1
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable act of worship.

1 Peter 5:5-6
5 ...God resists the proud, and gives grace to the humble.
6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

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[Tenchi]

Sure. That is what the Living God, Jehovah/Yahweh sent His Kids with Apostolic Gifts out to create in all towns.

Nowhere in the entire NT are house church meetings ever recorded or taught as necessary to the activity of the Church. Nowhere. Why, then, are you emphasizing them as you are? You've got no biblical ground from which to do so. As I already pointed out to you, your doing so is the result of the Is-Ought Fallacy of reasoning. A description is not necessarily a prescription. The Bible describes all sorts of evil things, and many entirely trivial, mundane ones, too, that we would never reasonably believe were prescriptive for all Christians in all times and places. Homosexuality, rape and murder are described in the Bible, but no Christian would say, therefore, that these are prescriptions - commands to be obeyed - for all Christians everywhere always.

The Bible describes Jesus eating with his disciples in an upper room for the Last Supper (Mark 14). The disciples in Acts 2 were gathered in an upper room when the Holy Spirit came upon them. The apostle Peter healed Lydia in an upper room in Acts 9. Should Christians, then, place a special, spiritual emphasis on second story rooms, meeting only in them? And if there are no such multi-story buildings available, they should meet in trees, then, or climb a nearby mountain (if they live near any)? Hopefully, you can see how silly this sort of reasoning is in this instance. But it is actually the very same sort of reasoning that you're using with the house meeting thing. Description does not equal prescription.

Where all in those meetings were raised by "Apostles" to be the same as they were.

Actually, the Christ-appointed apostles occupied a unique spiritual role/office that was confined to just a few. It was not God's intention that all Christians should be apostles, too.

Ephesians 4:11-12
11 And He gave some as apostles... Not all.

Ah! So you admit there is no other type of meeting in Scripture.

You didn't read carefully what I wrote:

"Where does God's word restrict any other sort of gathering of the saints of God? Nowhere."

Can you show me a single verse in the New Testament that restricts the Church meeting to ONLY house meetings? No, you can't. Because there isn't any. So, why then, are you trying to impose such a restriction on your fellow believers?

They are "additions".

No, you are the one making additions. See above.

And as such a lie and a "Synagogue of Satan" with the "son of perdition" who rules there and no Edifying is happening by the Living God in their man created lie.

This is all just empty rhetoric, misusing phrases from Scripture as a sort of religious ad hominem. Be careful, brother. God doesn't like it when you do this with His word.

Ah! Saying it made sense to them is a lie.

Merely asserting this doesn't make it so. Read through Acts. It's very obvious that, given the newness of the Church, that it would meet in homes and in open places in forests and mountains. Church buildings had to wait on the Church to grow and become established before they could be built.

God is still creating His own Meetings where He is in charge and no "human with his laws" in robbing the poor for this "buildings of bricks" and his "salary".

Ah. I can see better here something of your objection to the institutionalized Church. It's not really a biblical objection to the physical form of the Church in its meetings, but an objection to the mercenary attitude of many pastors - especially, I suspect, those over mega-churches who are building empires and seeking notoriety and profit over God's priorities. Well, I think these sorts of churches are generally rotten to the core, serving an elite few, really, who are making merchandise of fellow believers and lifting up their own names over God's.

But none of this warrants confining the Church to house meetings. The answer is a revival of the Church in North America, not a change in an external thing, like the form of Church meetings.

 

[Tenchi]

Then tell us why were he persecuted if not for His meetings He was "hosting for the Living God" and the Words the Living God spoke in those Meetings and the Power which manifested from the Living God and His actions in those meetings.

You have asserted that the Church MUST ONLY meet in house groups and that the Early Church was persecuted because they met in this way. But this is nowhere stated in the New Testament. Nowhere. You have not been able to show otherwise but, instead of acknowledging this and leaving off your error, you now want me to give you even more reason to do so. It is quite enough that there is no basis in Scripture for your claims about the Early Church meeting in homes. I need offer you no other reason. To what are you truly committed? The truth of God's word or your own mistaken ideas about it?

 

[Johan]

You have asserted that the Church MUST ONLY meet in house groups

I said God sent His Kids with their Apostolic Gift out to create Edifying Groups in houses.

the Early Church was persecuted because they met in this way.

Sure. You are welcome to tell us why they were persecuted if not because of the Powerful manifestation of God in their Lives as result of being obedient exactly to this Way. Where the Living God Himself raised His Kids in being Temples to Him in Power.

But this is nowhere stated in the New Testament.

So give us then their way if this was not it.

You have not been able to show otherwise

Sure. Because there is nothing else. But go ahead and show us your "scriptural" way. Or is yours nowhere to be found and only a figment of your imaginations?

It is quite enough that there is no basis in Scripture for your claims about the Early Church

I gave the basis. And I can give it over and over again. Perfectly Scripture.

These Meetings can only be hold in houses and that is the only place where they were hold in Scripture.

1 Cor. 14: 26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

To what are you truly committed? The truth of God's word or your own mistaken ideas about it?

To Obedience to the Living God as He gave us in Scripture and not deviating in becoming the lie. So show me where I deviated. Which you have not done. In fact you are doing strife. Or not?


2 Tim. 2: 14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

 

[Tenchi]

I said God sent His Kids with their Apostolic Gift out to create Edifying Groups in houses.

You've said rather more than this. You've argued that Christians ought only to meet together in houses. This is not what the New Testament indicates anywhere. It is what you've concluded from using the Is-Ought Fallacy in your thinking about God's word.

Here's a parallel to what you're arguing that draws out more clearly, I hope, the problem with your thinking: The New Testament nowhere says that the first Christians used the internet to talk with one another on Christian forums online. Instead, they only interacted with one another face-to-face or via human messengers and written letters. Therefore, Christians today ought only to do the same.

You can see, I hope, the silliness in this sort of thinking. When the Early Church was the Early Church, when it was in its nascent stage described in Acts, there was no internet for them to use - just as there were no church buildings around for them to use, either. And so, the first Christians used other means to communicate and gathered in homes for worship and instruction. You don't believe that, because the first Christians never used the internet to communicate, you shouldn't either. Your posting to this thread makes this plain. But, oddly, you do think that because they didn't have church buildings to meet in at first, no gathering of Christians should ever meet in one. I can see a HUGE inconsistency in your thinking here. Can you?

Sure. You are welcome to tell us why they were persecuted if not because of the Powerful manifestation of God in their Lives as result of being obedient exactly to this Way. Where the Living God Himself raised His Kids in being Temples to Him in Power.

Christians were persecuted for a number of reasons: false propaganda about them (they were said to be cannibals, for example), the Jewish religious leaders' hatred of Christ and his teachings, the monotheistic nature of Christianity in a polytheistic society, the radical counter-cultural ethos of the Christian worldview, their refusal to worship Caesar, etc.. That Christians met in homes had nothing to do with why they were persecuted.

Sure. Because there is nothing else. But go ahead and show us your "scriptural" way. Or is yours nowhere to be found and only a figment of your imaginations?

See above.

These Meetings can only be hold in houses and that is the only place where they were hold in Scripture.

1 Cor. 14: 26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

??? There isn't a single remark in this passage about Christians meeting only in homes. Not one. In fact, there is no mention of homes at all.

 

[hawkman]

Yep. We have to attend house meetings where all are Temples of God and God assist us to be Temples of Him from where He speaks and acts too.

This limitations on where we as Christians can meet is not spoken of , unless you have scripture to that effect .

This is what we are told to do . This could even be done outside and not in a building at all , a brush arbor for instance .

25Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

 

[Johan]

Nowhere in the entire NT are house church meetings ever recorded or taught as necessary to the activity of the Church.

Sure they are. They are headed by the Living God Himself. Where He creates all to start functioning in their Gifts as Temples of Him. Any other meeting is headed by man. And that is why they are called by Him the "Synaogoges of Satan" and the head the "son of perdition" who kicked Him out of His place. And of course if all want it that why then they get it. And they are no longer Edifying Meetings by Him where He creates His Kids but worship meetings by man. Which creates inferior slaves of all who participate.

Actually, the Christ-appointed apostles occupied a unique spiritual role/office that was confined to just a few. It was not God's intention that all Christians should be apostles, too.

I never said all should be Apostles. It is just you showing your lies. Because Scripture said some will be Apostles and some Evangelists and Pastors and some Teachers and some Prophets. And the most important are the Prophets. But even today you do get Apostles. Because I am one. Sent by the Living God to create House Meetings wherever I go. And you are welcome to attend them. We are back on track again. And the Meeting we have now is the Meeting in 2 and 3 Persons in the Name of Jesus between Me and You in the Presence of the Living God. Where I am Edifying you and all reading here too.

You didn't read carefully what I wrote:

"Where does God's word restrict any other sort of gathering of the saints of God? Nowhere."

Sure. He never restricted the disobedient to have their 'meetings of strife". But it costs them their life. They stay "Babies of God" and can not grow up in worship meetings of man/satan. Only in Edifying meetings by the Living God Himself.




1 Cor 3: 1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? 5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

No, you are the one making additions. See above.

Which "additions". You added a whole new scriptural worship meeting from sinning mankind into scripture. Where the "Rabbis" rule in robbing the widows with pretentious prayers and all listening to them become twofold more a child of hell than themselves.

Mat. 23:
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
13 ¶But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

God doesn't like it when you do this with His word.

He just Love Me coming back to His Meetings where He is the Head and doing Edifying. Which is enjoying being a Dad in raising His Kids in His Life. And Rebuking the fake "fire from the image of the beast" in worship of God meetings.

Rev. 13:
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Church buildings had to wait on the Church to grow and become established before they could be built.

Church buildings are money robbed from the "widows and orphans". Because the money is allocated to the Real Church. Which is a poor Brother and not a building of mankind to make money in his worship of Mammon.

Ah. I can see better here something of your objection to the institutionalized Church.

Yep. God's Church is the Person. A Living Church. Living in the Freedom of the Holy Spirit without any laws ruling it. The "institutional church" is a dead creation of dead Adam. Existing of laws of Adam and in slavery. Seems you are one making money from it in having caught the "ignorant" with yours and your "Rabbi title" where you enjoy their worship of you and your "god"? Or not?

 

[Johan]

This limitations on where we as Christians can meet is not spoken of , unless you have scripture to that effect .

It is not a limitation. It is just the normal way it happened in Scripture. As is also the Edifying Meetings outside of houses in 2 and 3 Persons in the Name of Jesus in the Presence of the Living God.

This is what we are told to do .

Yep. All have to do Edifying in house meetings in their Gifts from the Living God. Where He speaks and acts through all of His Kids to raise them in their Life as Temple of the Living God. Just as Jesus was. Where they also meet in 2 and 3 Persons everywhere in Edifying Meetings.

This could even be done outside and not in a building at all , a brush arbor for instance .

Sure. It can be anywhere. But the normal place were and still is the "houses". And in this regard I have one every day. Which is a "virtual house" but with all the Characteristics of a Real Meeting present in them. As can be seen here. Where the fact that it is in a "cyber house" is not much taken away from a "physical house".

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[Tenchi]

Sure they are.

You haven't given even one verse that says clearly and directly that the Church must only ever meet in the homes of believers. This is because there is no such verse in the New Testament. And since there is no such verse, why are you carrying on as though there is?

They are headed by the Living God Himself. Where He creates all to start functioning in their Gifts as Temples of Him.

Yes, Christ is the Head of the Church. And, yes, the Holy Spirit gives to each born-again person a spiritual gift to be used in edification of the Church. None of this means, therefore, that Christians must only meet in the homes of believers.

Any other meeting is headed by man. And that is why they are called by Him the "Synaogoges of Satan" and the head the "son of perdition" who kicked Him out of His place.

In the two places where the phrase "synagogue of Satan" is used in the New Testament, there is no command attached that believers are only to meet in homes. There is also nothing in the immediate context of these two instances in Scripture that indicates being a "synagogue of Satan" meant "not meeting together in homes." So, then, why are you indicating otherwise? The "son of perdition" phrase refers either to Judas (John 17:12) or to the anti-Christ (2 Thessalonians 2:3), not to Christians meeting in church buildings. And there is no connection whatever between either of these people and the "synagogue of Satan" mentioned twice in John's Revelation. Out of thin air, you have formed your own peculiar connection between these phrases. And doing so has only led you to defending a biblically indefensible view about home churches. Is this really what you want to be doing?

And of course if all want it that why then they get it. And they are no longer Edifying Meetings by Him where He creates His Kids but worship meetings by man. Which creates inferior slaves of all who participate.

None of this has any ground in Scripture, as I've already pointed out. So, again, why are you saying these things?

I never said all should be Apostles.

What you wrote was:

"Where all in those meetings were raised by "Apostles" to be the same as they were."

Can you see how I could take what you wrote as I did?

But even today you do get Apostles.

No, the office of apostle that men like John, or Peter, or Paul occupied is over. By the end of the NT, it is only Elders/Bishops/Overseers (what are called "pastors," today) who are appointed over the Church, not apostles. The word "apostle" basically means "messenger," or "delegate," or "sent out one" - what we would refer to today as a missionary, one "sent out as a messenger" of the Gospel - and this is the sense, I think, in which Paul meant "apostle" in Ephesians 4:11. The Apostles of the Early Church were not mere missionaries but were unique in their responsibilities and spiritual power as Establishers, Teachers and Defenders of the Church in the first century.

Because I am one. Sent by the Living God to create House Meetings wherever I go.

Well, you may be an apostle in the common sense - a missionary, of sorts - but you aren't an Apostle in the way Peter, Paul or John were.

And you are welcome to attend them.

Not necessary. However, I see now why you're so keen to defend your unbiblical ideas about house churches.

And the Meeting we have now is the Meeting in 2 and 3 Persons in the Name of Jesus between Me and You in the Presence of the Living God. Where I am Edifying you and all reading here too.

Yikes. No thanks. If you've gone so far off the rails in the matter of house church meetings, I shudder to think what other wonky stuff you might be promoting.

Sure. He never restricted the disobedient to have their 'meetings of strife".

So, you admit that there is no clear, explicit Scripture forbidding Christians from meeting in church buildings. Well, it's a start...

But it costs them their life. They stay "Babies of God" and can not grow up in worship meetings of man/satan.

This is a silly statement with absolutely no basis in the Bible.

My younger brother was, for a time, many years ago, caught up in the House Church movement. He regretted it deeply. The abuses by leadership and the crazy doctrines that were moving through these groups soon collapsed the whole effort. You'll understand, then, why I find your remark above quite...ironic.

Which "additions". You added a whole new scriptural worship meeting from sinning mankind into scripture. Where the "Rabbis" rule in robbing the widows with pretentious prayers and all listening to them become twofold more a child of hell than themselves.

??? I've done no such thing. Goodness. Where is any of what you've said here that I've said anywhere in anything that I've written? Wow.

He just Love Me coming back to His Meetings where He is the Head and doing Edifying.

Yes, God desires that He be "The Boss" and the chief focus of any congregation of the Church. But I know of many groups of believers meeting in church buildings about whom this is true. And I know of house churches where this wasn't true. It isn't, then, the meeting-place that is the problem but the hearts of those who are meeting together.

Church buildings are money robbed from the "widows and orphans". Because the money is allocated to the Real Church. Which is a poor Brother and not a building of mankind to make money in his worship of Mammon.

I'm wholeheartedly in agreement that mega-churches, in particular, do just as you describe here. But I know of many smaller churches where this doesn't happen. In fact, I suspect that these churches have given far more to the needy than any house church ever has.

Living in the Freedom of the Holy Spirit without any laws ruling it.

??? God has many "laws" for His children. Many. Don't steal, don't kill, don't commit adultery, don't lie, love your neighbor as yourself, walk in the Spirit, feed on the milk of God's word, and on and on.

Seems you are one making money from it in having caught the "ignorant" with yours and your "Rabbi title" where you enjoy their worship of you and your "god"? Or not?

Wow. Where did this come from? Yikes.

 

[hawkman]

Sure. It can be anywhere. But the normal place were and still is the "houses".

I attend meetings with other Christians in "God's House " or a "House of Worship " but maybe you would call it a church building because it has a name on the front of the building .

And in Meetings in the Name of Jesus in houses.

1 Cor. 14: 26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

Have you not attended a named Church with a meeting like this ? I have .
I have been to many church gatherings where the pastor did not preach a sermon but it was much like 1Cor14:26 .
The pastor is there operating under the guidance and the leading of the Holy Spirit as it should be .

 

[Johan]

I attend meetings with other Christians in "God's House " or a "House of Worship " but maybe you would call it a church building because it has a name on the front of the building .

Sure. The Name of God's Church is Jesus Christ. And it is a Living Church and not man made organization.

I have been to many church gatherings where the pastor did not preach a sermon but it was much like 1Cor14:26 .
The pastor is there operating under the guidance and the leading of the Holy Spirit as it should be .

God gave Gifts and not "titles" to be honored/worshiped. They are the present day "Rabbis" robbing the widows with their "buildings" where the money belong to the Real Church. Which is a Brother with less than the other Brothers. To bring him to Equality. Money in Scripture is allocated to Equality of the Brothers. Only in Equality of the Brothers can One Father be seen and Glorified by all the unbelievers. As it was in Acts. And where Paul spend a huge amount of time and effort in "earnest care" to establish equality between the more wealthy Greek and the more poor Jews under the Roman Empire in slavery.

That is why the titles keep their place of authority in being the "sons of perdition" even if they have an "act of Edifying meetings". They operate from an honor/worship spirit and not the Love of the Holy Spirit of Brotherhood where they uplift their Brothers to Equality to be Equal to them in their Gifts from God. They lie and say their titles they bought are from God. Which gives them a "superior" existence lording over their Brothers. That is why they also never introduce the Holy Kiss of the Holy Spirit to the Brotherhood. Because they replaced it with their "honor/worship" spirit. And with their "god you have to worship" too. Which replaced the Living God who is Loved in "Abba Father/Daddy".

 

[Johan]

You haven't given even one verse that says clearly and directly that the Church must only ever meet in the homes of believers. This is because there is no such verse in the New Testament. And since there is no such verse, why are you carrying on as though there is?



Yes, Christ is the Head of the Church. And, yes, the Holy Spirit gives to each born-again person a spiritual gift to be used in edification of the Church. None of this means, therefore, that Christians must only meet in the homes of believers.



In the two places where the phrase "synagogue of Satan" is used in the New Testament, there is no command attached that believers are only to meet in homes. There is also nothing in the immediate context of these two instances in Scripture that indicates being a "synagogue of Satan" meant "not meeting together in homes." So, then, why are you indicating otherwise? The "son of perdition" phrase refers either to Judas (John 17:12) or to the anti-Christ (2 Thessalonians 2:3), not to Christians meeting in church buildings. And there is no connection whatever between either of these people and the "synagogue of Satan" mentioned twice in John's Revelation. Out of thin air, you have formed your own peculiar connection between these phrases. And doing so has only led you to defending a biblically indefensible view about home churches. Is this really what you want to be doing?



None of this has any ground in Scripture, as I've already pointed out. So, again, why are you saying these things?



What you wrote was:

"Where all in those meetings were raised by "Apostles" to be the same as they were."

Can you see how I could take what you wrote as I did?



No, the office of apostle that men like John, or Peter, or Paul occupied is over. By the end of the NT, it is only Elders/Bishops/Overseers (what are called "pastors," today) who are appointed over the Church, not apostles. The word "apostle" basically means "messenger," or "delegate," or "sent out one" - what we would refer to today as a missionary, one "sent out as a messenger" of the Gospel - and this is the sense, I think, in which Paul meant "apostle" in Ephesians 4:11. The Apostles of the Early Church were not mere missionaries but were unique in their responsibilities and spiritual power as Establishers, Teachers and Defenders of the Church in the first century.



Well, you may be an apostle in the common sense - a missionary, of sorts - but you aren't an Apostle in the way Peter, Paul or John were.



Not necessary. However, I see now why you're so keen to defend your unbiblical ideas about house churches.



Yikes. No thanks. If you've gone so far off the rails in the matter of house church meetings, I shudder to think what other wonky stuff you might be promoting.



So, you admit that there is no clear, explicit Scripture forbidding Christians from meeting in church buildings. Well, it's a start...



This is a silly statement with absolutely no basis in the Bible.

My younger brother was, for a time, many years ago, caught up in the House Church movement. He regretted it deeply. The abuses by leadership and the crazy doctrines that were moving through these groups soon collapsed the whole effort. You'll understand, then, why I find your remark above quite...ironic.



??? I've done no such thing. Goodness. Where is any of what you've said here that I've said anywhere in anything that I've written? Wow.



Yes, God desires that He be "The Boss" and the chief focus of any congregation of the Church. But I know of many groups of believers meeting in church buildings about whom this is true. And I know of house churches where this wasn't true. It isn't, then, the meeting-place that is the problem but the hearts of those who are meeting together.


I'm wholeheartedly in agreement that mega-churches, in particular, do just as you describe here. But I know of many smaller churches where this doesn't happen. In fact, I suspect that these churches have given far more to the needy than any house church ever has.



??? God has many "laws" for His children. Many. Don't steal, don't kill, don't commit adultery, don't lie, love your neighbor as yourself, walk in the Spirit, feed on the milk of God's word, and on and on.



Wow. Where did this come from? Yikes.

When you look at what you wrote you can clearly see that you are just running in circles now. I spoke, you spoke and now the Holy Spirit will take either my Words or yours to create New Life in dead Christianity with its worship meetings where they worship God and the "son of perdition/pastor" as slaves.

Or they will get back to Scripture where God is allowed to be Dad in their Lives in doing Edifying in His Meetings. Where they are raised by Him in speaking from all of them as His Temples in the Anointing. Where they enter Living as His Kids by His Power in their Gifts. Which are all in the Holy Spirit and equal in Power than the Brothers with the Apostle Gifts in the Bible.

So I am not into "strife" of the Synagogues of Satan with you where they exists in that.


2 Tim. 2: 14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging thembefore the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

As this Scripture says. Strife is just to the "subverting of the hearers". They are the important ones here and have to decide between what you said and what I said and make their choice in their closet. The Relationship of the Father and His Kids is what is important. And in Me being in the Anointing of an Apostle but as your Brother and not in the Rabbi "title" of the apostles in the Synagogues of Satan i am into assisting all to enter more of their Love Relationship with the living God as their "Abba Father/Daddy" in restoring Him as Dad in their Lives where He and they can be Father and Child where He raises them in His Life in Edifying Meetings. Because any Father enjoys Edifying and not worshiping of the "sons of perditions".

So you can now chat more with me in the next thread. Where it is about the Rabbis stealing the money of the poor for their "worship meetings" in other buildings than houses and pocketing lots for their "blessings" from Mammon. Or you can ran away of course. Your choice. Because there will only be again time for you to give your opinions and me speaking on them and then you having the "last word" again. As you desire. And then you can find someone to strife with you if you desire further chatting on that thread.

The next one for you.

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The Brotherhood is a Loved existence by any father and The Father. They always establishes equality between their kids. Where one kind of one father is treated unfair like we saw with Joseph and his "coat" then jealousy rules and evil actions manifests. Where God of course uses that to His Glory.

And the same in the 45000 denominations where the wealthy Brothers lives in a "woe".

Luke 6: 24 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.
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[Who Me]

The others are created as a lie and from Lucifer.

Acts mentions that 3000 were saved on the day of penticost, acts 5: 42 Day after day, in the temple courts and from house to house, they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Messiah.

Just where did 3k believers meet?

Are you like the JW's etc who believer All Christians from the 1st century up to date are not worshipping , serving God as they meet in the buildings they call a church?