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Elton John: Religion encourages hatred

I wanted to answer this directly....

SputnikBoy said:
One feels the need to lie about their sexuality in order to avoid judgmental remarks such as yours.

Shame on you and your arrogant and sanctimonious post!
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Shame on me? What about shame on Elton John for his public advocation of supression of all religion?

Tolerance works both ways, athiest-boi.
 
Goodness. Another homo thread. Did not paul say that homos will not enter the kingdom of God?
 
The sinner always tried to justify their course of action, by blaming others for the evil they do.

As soon as Adam & Eve committed sin, they immediately placed the blame of their sin, on someone else !
 
Regardless if they are a sinner or not, no one should preach hate towards another human.

you can hold your morals, just as Jesus did, however you do not have to spread hate or slander. as Jesus also didn't
 
We all carry sin. Nobody is innocent.
But when there is no recognition of sin, attempting to spread the sin and make it right, acceptable, is where the rebellion has it's power. Where there is no admission of wrong there is no plea for forgiveness or mercy.
Scripture can divide right and wrong but if one ignores the warning the consequences will be paid.
 
I would have to agree with a lot of what Elton John is saying - organized religion does indeed breed unhealthy attitudes towards certain groups such as homosexuals. By saying this, I am not saying that homosexual acts are not properly seen to be sin. However, the name of Christ is often used to justify the expression of what is rather clearly good old fashioned bigotry and hate.

Just because a behaviour "X" is correctly seen to be sin, does not justify the kind of hateful rhetoric that we see in the Christian community. In this regard, I think the following dynamic is very significant: people who bring deep bigotry and hate towards homosexuals into their conversion experience will find the Biblical reproaches against homosexual activity to be a "divine stamp of approval" for attitudes that are clearly not Christlike.

Besides, as others have mentioned, the Christian church has its priorities all askew. Far more pressing sin needs to be addressed- Western materialism for one. And yet the church seems to embrace this sin. So we have pastors who drive Lexus cars and live in million dollar mansions villifying homosexuals.
 
Drew said:
Besides, as others have mentioned, the Christian church has its priorities all askew. Far more pressing sin needs to be addressed- Western materialism for one. And yet the church seems to embrace this sin. So we have pastors who drive Lexus cars and live in million dollar mansions villifying homosexuals.
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Drew
You have finally said something that makes sense. Hurray :)
 
there, drew said what I was thinking but couldn't really express.
 
peace4all said:
Regardless if they are a sinner or not, no one should preach hate towards another human.

you can hold your morals, just as Jesus did, however you do not have to spread hate or slander. as Jesus also didn't
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Yes, and?

Who was preaching hate in this case? Elton John again.

It's no slander to say he was a homosexual for years and said otherwise for years, it's a fact.

He insulted many of his own fans, but being some kind of athiest/agnostic. he can be materialistic AND bash religion.
 
Elton John aside ...I wonder how many here really know what it's like to be in the body of someone who - through NO choosing of their own - has a sexual atrtraction for the same gender? Furthermore, I wonder how many here really know what it's like to be in the body of that person and have to ALSO tolerate the rantings of sanctimonious Christians who persistently tell them that they are going to hell until that orientation is reversed ...?
 
SputnikBoy said:
Elton John aside ...I wonder how many here really know what it's like to be in the body of someone who - through NO choosing of their own - has a sexual atrtraction for the same gender? Furthermore, I wonder how many here really know what it's like to be in the body of that person and have to ALSO tolerate the rantings of sanctimonious Christians who persistently tell them that they are going to hell until that orientation is reversed ...?
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Orientation does not determine their eternal destiny. Eternal destiny is determined by the acceptance or rejection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Reversing the orientation with out repentance and accepting Jesus Christ, is still a lost person.

It would be wonderful if Christians would stop trying to change the behavior and focus on changing the soul.

The trap comes from being born into a fallen world. They need to find their way to the Cross, just like everybody else.

The orientation that is from no choosing of their own is usually a result of abuse early in childhood. Abuse that can be overcome, if one chooses to be set free.
The other side of the same coin:
The reason many are so intolerant of the behavior is a result of being abuse early in childhood.

Kind of like throwing down a football. You never know which way it is going to bounce.
 
I do not see how Elton John is preaching hate. He is not saying to stop religion, he is saying to stop organized religion. HUGE difference. HUGE... if you can't see that, then you obviously aren't a Christian in more than name itself.
 
Gabbylittleangel said:
Orientation does not determine their eternal destiny. Eternal destiny is determined by the acceptance or rejection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Reversing the orientation with out repentance and accepting Jesus Christ, is still a lost person.

It would be wonderful if Christians would stop trying to change the behavior and focus on changing the soul.

The trap comes from being born into a fallen world. They need to find their way to the Cross, just like everybody else.

The orientation that is from no choosing of their own is usually a result of abuse early in childhood. Abuse that can be overcome, if one chooses to be set free.
The other side of the same coin:
The reason many are so intolerant of the behavior is a result of being abuse early in childhood.

Kind of like throwing down a football. You never know which way it is going to bounce.
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Hmmm. I 'kind of' see some of the merits of a portion of your post anyway, Gabby. I don't agree with the neat little package that psychologists often give us, however. That is that 'deviant' behavior or one's sexual orientation as in homosexuality is 'caused' by abuse in early childhood. It's far more complex an issue than that.

Yes, 'out of the norm' behavior or inner feelings CAN result from early childhood abuse. But ...'out of the norm' behavior and inner feelings can also result where there were NO instances of early childhood abuse. We also find any number of examples where childhood abuse DID occur and yet that 'abused individual' did NOT become either a homosexual or a 'deviant'. We really can't create a convenient mold that fits all people and all situations just because we want to throw out 'genetics' as being a plausible answer to the homosexual issue.

Furthermore, I don't believe that 'science' should be seen as the enemy if it should somewhere down the track discover a 'homosexual' gene. In fact, does not science generally support the existence of such a gene ...? I'm not sure ...it seems that the jury is still out on this one.
 
lawhammer said:
Yes, and?

Who was preaching hate in this case? Elton John again.

It's no slander to say he was a homosexual for years and said otherwise for years, it's a fact.

He insulted many of his own fans, but being some kind of athiest/agnostic. he can be materialistic AND bash religion.
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It is because 'religion' comdemns his course of action, that he hates Christianity.

Homosexuality is totally illogical, because it is based on faulty thinking.

If the whole human race were to suddenly turn homosexual....the human race would be extinct, very soon.
 
Jay T said:
It is because 'religion' comdemns his course of action, that he hates Christianity.

Homosexuality is totally illogical, because it is based on faulty thinking.

If the whole human race were to suddenly turn homosexual....the human race would be extinct, very soon.
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your last line is based on faulty thinking.

If that were the case, gays and lesbians would neer try to adopt, or have surrogate mothers or fathers...
 
peace4all said:
your last line is based on faulty thinking.

If that were the case, gays and lesbians would neer try to adopt, or have surrogate mothers or fathers...
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It's not faulty thinking to understand that a woman and a woman or a man and a man cannot produce a child together, even in some lab.

Talk about homosexuls adopting children is another thing altogether, only one can be a biological parent.
 
Jay T said:
It is because 'religion' comdemns his course of action, that he hates Christianity.

Homosexuality is totally illogical, because it is based on faulty thinking.

If the whole human race were to suddenly turn homosexual....the human race would be extinct, very soon.
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These sorts of posts are one of the reasons Sir Elton does not like Organised Religion. Frankly I cannot find it in me to blame him.

Rev. Ray McIntyre,
Priest
Anglican Church International
 
kiwimac said:
These sorts of posts are one of the reasons Sir Elton does not like Organised Religion. Frankly I cannot find it in me to blame him.

Rev. Ray McIntyre,
Priest
Anglican Church International
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''''''HUH'''''''' :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
 
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