End Times order of events

[Biblereader]

If any preacher, pastor, priest, or teacher or prophet tells you this order of events is wrong,
please tell them, kindly, to read and study in depth, the book of the Revelation.

The Order of Events
Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ
Chapters 1-16

First, a book with 7 seals
Each seal is opened by the Lamb.
The first 4 seals loose the 4 horses and their riders.
Riders and horses:
1. white horse, rider has bow and crown, conquers.
2. red horse, and rider, takes peace from the earth, has a great sword
3. black horse, has a pair of balances in his hand; extremely high prices
4. a pale horse, the rider is Death, and Hell followed with him.
6th seal, opened by the Lamb, as are all the seals:
great earthquake, multitudes in white stand before the throne of God and the Lamb.
7th seal: silence in heaven; 7 angels with 7 trumpets get ready. A censer is
cast into earth, this produces voices, lightning, thunderings, and another earthquake.

3 woes come next

Next: beast with 7 heads, 10 horns, 10 crowns, names of blasphemy upon the heads
Next: beast with 2 horns comes up out of the earth
Next: an image of the beast is made by them that dwell on the earth
Next: all who refuse to worship the image of the beast are killed
Next: mark of the beast, in right hand or forehead
Next: 144,000 are redeemed from the earth
Next: angel flying in heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation,
and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud voice: Fear God, and give glory to him. for the hour of his judgment is come
Next: another angel says: Babylon is fallen
Next: 3rd angel says with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, be tormented with fire and brimstone, and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever, no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Next: a white cloud, with Jesus upon the cloud.
Next: angel cries to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in they sickle, and reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe
Next: the earth is reaped
Next: another angel cries to him with the sharp sickle to thrust in they sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth;which are gathered
into the winepress of the wrath of God, windpress is trodden.
Next: blood comes out of windpress, and the blood comes unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and 600 furlongs
Next: a sea of glass mingled with fire, and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
Next: 7 angels come out of the temple in heaven and have 7 plagues.
Next: the vials of the wrath of God are poured out upon the earth.
7 vials-
1st vial: noisome and grievous sore upon all who had the mark of the beast, and on them which worshipped the beast, and which worshipped his image
2nd vial: sea becomes blood
3rd vial: rivers and fountains become blood
4th vial: sun scorches with great heat the people on the earth
5th vial: beast's kingdom full of darkness and pain
6th vial: river Euphrates dries up
7th vial: poured into air, great voice from the throne says, "It is finished"
Next: worst earthquake occurs, the earthquake is such as was not since men upon the earth.

SO: 7 seals, 4 are riders and horses
3 woes
3 beasts: one with 10 horns, one with 2 horns, one is an image
mark of the beast is enforced
7 angels
with 7 plagues. Plagues are poured out upon the earth
last, up to chapter 17, is the worst of the 3 earthquakes occurs
Next: 7 angels hold 7 plagues
Next: worst earthquake, It is finished, said by God.

 

[MrVersatile48]

I'm amazed how many preachers say that no way is Revelation in chronological order, while in fact, Revelation prophesies the clasic pattern of escalation

Rev 6:8 says 25% of mankind die by war, famine, pestilence & the wild beasts of Earth

Rev 9:13-18 shows 33% of survivors die in war begun @ R Euphrates (Iraq)

Rev 16-19 is total Armageddon

You can't possibly reverse that order, yet every time there's a major war, headlines scream 'Armageddon!'

No: Ezekiel 38-39 come before Armageddon, because it names the countries involved in that vast Russian-led alliance (using the tribal names of the time, but their migrations & name changes are clearly recorded in history: Rosh/Meshech/Tobolsk is Russia, Gomer is Germany, Togarmah is Turkey, Persia is Iran, Put is Libya & Cush is Ethiopia)

Armageddon - clearly prophesied in Joel 3, Zechariah 14 & Revelation 16-19 explicitly involves ALL nations of Earth, under the worst global tyrant ever: the Beast/Antichrist/Lawless One/Man of Perdition

Thank God for the instant airlift Rapture rescue of all who love Jesus, before the worst time on Earth comes - as in Matthew 24:30-42, 1 Corinthians 15:51-58 & 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:11 etc

Don't be left behind: pass it on to all you love

Many threads, @ different aspects of endtime Bible prophecy, are linked from this lyric:-

BEFORE OUR EYES..

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18604

God bless!

Ian

 

[Biblereader]

Yes, people scream "end of the world" and sell lots of merchandise to
people who don't read their bible seriously.
That, and what you said, MrVers. is precisely why I've posted this.

Yes, Revelation IS in chronological order.

I wonder if many know that the beast will be a triple entity.

 

[Bick]

The chronological order of the book of Revelation

Hi Biblereader. In your listing of the chronological order of Revelation, how come you don't list the messages to the 7 ecclesias in the first three chapters?

Also, at the end, why don't you show that after the seventh trumpet, the Lord returns to the earth, Satan is bound in the abyss, the Great White Throne judging takes place, the heavens and earth are destroyed and replaced by a new heaven and earth, with descriptions?

Bick

 

[tim-from-pa]

I'm amazed how many preachers say that no way is Revelation in chronological order, while in fact, Revelation prophesies the clasic pattern of escalation

Rev 6:8 says 25% of mankind die by war, famine, pestilence & the wild beasts of Earth

Rev 9:13-18 shows 33% of survivors die in war begun @ R Euphrates (Iraq)

Rev 16-19 is total Armageddon

You can't possibly reverse that order, yet every time there's a major war, headlines scream 'Armageddon!'

No: Ezekiel 38-39 come before Armageddon, because it names the countries involved in that vast Russian-led alliance (using the tribal names of the time, but their migrations & name changes are clearly recorded in history: Rosh/Meshech/Tobolsk is Russia, Gomer is Germany, Togarmah is Turkey, Persia is Iran, Put is Libya & Cush is Ethiopia)

Armageddon - clearly prophesied in Joel 3, Zechariah 14 & Revelation 16-19 explicitly involves ALL nations of Earth, under the worst global tyrant ever: the Beast/Antichrist/Lawless One/Man of Perdition

Thank God for the instant airlift Rapture rescue of all who love Jesus, before the worst time on Earth comes - as in Matthew 24:30-42, 1 Corinthians 15:51-58 & 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:11 etc

Don't be left behind: pass it on to all you love

Many threads, @ different aspects of endtime Bible prophecy, are linked from this lyric:-

BEFORE OUR EYES..

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18604

God bless!

Ian

Great summary Ian! I concur with the order of events you listed there, and I am also amazed that some people do not see the logical order of Revelation.

 

[Biblereader]

Where in the bible does it clearly state that Christians will escape persecution
of the beast and his system?

I read several verses that state Christians are beheaded, killed, during the
judgements, the vial, and the trumpets blowing, for their testimony in Jesus Christ.
Plus, even the Old Testament says the beast will "wear out the saints".

What say you?

 

[Biblereader]

Re: The chronological order of the book of Revelation

Hi Biblereader. In your listing of the chronological order of Revelation, how come you don't list the messages to the 7 ecclesias in the first three chapters?

Also, at the end, why don't you show that after the seventh trumpet, the Lord returns to the earth, Satan is bound in the abyss, the Great White Throne judging takes place, the heavens and earth are destroyed and replaced by a new heaven and earth, with descriptions?

Bick

Well, Bick, my reason for wording the post as it is, IS.......
so many people get THOSE events all mixed up.
I wasn't leaving those events you listed out, on purpose, I was trying to get people to focus on the order of events I posted.
A lot of bible readers and Christians, and non-Christians, have not got it clear in their memory, the order of events I listed.
Please list the events of what the Spirit says to the churches, in the beginning of Revelation. Please do.

Do you know some people don't teach that there will be a new heaven and a new earth? Nor do they teach that this old world will be burned up with intense heat!!
It really angers me that people don't use correct bible verses when they are talking to others about the bible.
Doesn't it make you angry? Angry at the lies of the devil, which sometimes are used to perpetrate ignorance.

 

[Biblereader]

Thank God for the instant airlift Rapture rescue of all who love Jesus, before the worst time on Earth comes - as in Matthew 24:30-42, 1 Corinthians 15:51-58 & 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:11 etc

Don't be left behind: pass it on to all you love

Many threads, @ different aspects of endtime Bible prophecy, are linked from this lyric:-

BEFORE OUR EYES..



God bless!

Ian

Where does it say, clearly, that Christians will be "raptured up" BEFORE ANY hard times?
I wonder how the Christians in muslim dominated lands, and how Christians in North Korea and China feel as they're arrested and tortured for their
testimony of Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord of all?
Hmm?
Why did all of the apostles, almost, get tortured and killed for their belief and teachings about Jesus Christ?

 

[Biblereader]

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

NOTICE: "by our gathering together unto him".......
that would be the "rapture"
That will NOT happen until the man of sin is revealed!
Who is this man of sin, this son of perdition??

 

[Vic C.]

Where in the bible does it clearly state that Christians will escape persecution of the beast and his system?

I read several verses that state Christians are beheaded, killed, during the
judgements, the vial, and the trumpets blowing, for their testimony in Jesus Christ.

Plus, even the Old Testament says the beast will "wear out the saints".

What say you?

I have two words... It doesn't.

Read my signature. ;-)

 

[tim-from-pa]

Where in the bible does it clearly state that Christians will escape persecution
of the beast and his system?

I read several verses that state Christians are beheaded, killed, during the
judgements, the vial, and the trumpets blowing, for their testimony in Jesus Christ.
Plus, even the Old Testament says the beast will "wear out the saints".

What say you?

First of all, although I believe in a pre-Trib rapture, I do not make the timing of the rapture a heated debate because I know that different Christians believe different ways. I'll quickly state a few things why I believe it is since my time tonite is limited.

First of all there are different kinds of Saints in the Bible. We had OT saints, NT saints, the 144,000 in Revelation, those saved during the Tribulation. Don't assume that "saints" always means the present church, because it does not. I realize that does not prove the timing of the rapture, but it does discard the idea that Revelation is speaking of the church.

Secondly, Jude quotes Christ coming back with ten-thousands of His Saints. That passage is more in detail in the book of Enoch which is describing his people coming back with Him. If so, that presupposes they were there in heaven with Him beforehand.

In Revelation, the church is promised to be delivered from "the hour of temptation" a type of Tribulation to come. When Jesus said we would have tribulation, this is the tribulation that the world gives--- that's Satan's trials. The Great Tribulation on the other hand is God's wrath on the world. Christians are exempt from that wrath being taken at the cross.

Lastly to mention (but there are other things I could say as well), I find a logic problem with a post-Trib rapture. If Christ comes and separates the sheep from the goats before the Millennial Kingdom starts, we must note where each one goes. The goats are the surviving unbelievers (what few there are) coming from the Tribulation that then go to be burned in the fire. The sheep are His believing people (whether Israelite or Gentile). Now, if they are translated to glorious bodies at this time, then we have no flesh-and-blood people left. However, the Kingdom is a very real reign of Christ with His church along with the people Israel who will be restored in their land one day. But they are flesh-and-blood. A post-Trib rapture would not make that possible UNLESS we want to get into "partial rapture" or "no rapture at all" theories.

The church is not (physical) Israel, but these were the chosen ones, the firstfruits to rule and reign with Christ over the people of the earth whom are the (flesh and blood) sheep that enter into the kingdom. They are saved, but note that maybe not all their offspring will be. This is how they can rebel AFTER the millennium takes place according to Revelation.

 

[Biblereader]

Tim, where is the book of Enoch located?
Which bible?

 

[Vic C.]

Another question for Tim:

The goats are the surviving unbelievers (what few there are) coming from the Tribulation that then go to be burned in the fire. The sheep are His believing people (whether Israelite or Gentile). Now, if they are translated to glorious bodies at this time, then we have no flesh-and-blood people left.

I assume you are referring to these verses:

Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Where is it stated these people are "translated to glorious bodies"?

These are people (Jew and Gentile) that somehow survived God's Wrath upon the Earth. The point Jesus is making here is that those gentiles who played the "good Samaritan" to His Chosen ones will receive a reward for the deeds.

Think of them as the people not unlike those who helped the Jews during the Nazi reign by hiding them, feeding them, helping them escape, etc.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Tim, where is the book of Enoch located?
Which bible?

The book of Enoch is apocryphal that was quoted by Jude.

Where is it stated these people are "translated to glorious bodies"?

These are people (Jew and Gentile) that somehow survived God's Wrath upon the Earth. The point Jesus is making here is that those gentiles who played the "good Samaritan" to His Chosen ones will receive a reward for the deeds.

So maybe these people were not believers, but were being rewarded eternal life based on their good works? That's my point. It does not say anywhere that they will be translated. I am making the assumption that these are believers, however. If that is the case, then why would they not be translated when Christ came back? Who then makes that criteria if we assume not all people are translated?

 

[Vic C.]

So maybe these people were not believers, but were being rewarded eternal life based on their good works? That's my point. It does not say anywhere that they will be translated. I am making the assumption that these are believers, however. If that is the case, then why would they not be translated when Christ came back? Who then makes that criteria if we assume not all people are translated?

Hi Tim, from my studies, I don't see where they are rewarded eternal life. I do see where they are promised entry into the Kingdom, the Kingdom in this case would be the Millennium Kingdom. There will be mortal souls there, marrying, procreating, etc. It's the only scenario that explains how any sin nature could enter the Earthly Kingdom and the reason why they are deceived at the end of the 1,000 years. Translated, glorified beings will not be able to be deceived.

Just my beliefs... I could be way off. 8-)

 

[tim-from-pa]

Hi Tim, from my studies, I don't see where they are rewarded eternal life. I do see where they are promised entry into the Kingdom, the Kingdom in this case would be the Millennium Kingdom. There will be mortal souls there, marrying, procreating, etc. It's the only scenario that explains how any sin nature could enter the Earthly Kingdom and the reason why they are deceived at the end of the 1,000 years. Translated, glorified beings will not be able to be deceived.

Just my beliefs... I could be way off. 8-)

Yes, I can see your point. If that's the case then it is a possibility. However, the only passage that made me believe that they were believers is that the chapter ends with the verse;

Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Of course it seems to me that Jesus was talking about the sheep and goats and compared the sheep to being righteous. If they inherit life eternal, rest assured the criteria is the same as for any Christian: faith. Their faith resulted in good works as we often see this topic in many threads on these forums. That was the determining factor to me that these were believers and they demonstrated their belief by good works.

I'll tell you what I usually do: I believe and teach that the rapture occurs before the Tribulation. But I still want Christians to understand the details of the Tribulation just in case I am wrong and they know what to do. This way we have all angles covered. :-D

 

[Vic C.]

Of course it seems to me that Jesus was talking about the sheep and goats and compared the sheep to being righteous. If they inherit life eternal, rest assured the criteria is the same as for any Christian: faith. Their faith resulted in good works as we often see this topic in many threads on these forums. That was the determining factor to me that these were believers and they demonstrated their belief by good works.

I can deal with that. We still need to determine why the deception of the "nations" near the end of Revelation.

How about this:

They are saved, but not in their glorified bodies yet. Their offspring, however, may not turn into believers and "inherit" our original sin nature.

Is the Bible silent of this and if so, does it conflict anywhere with Scripture?

I'll tell you what I usually do: I believe and teach that the rapture occurs before the Tribulation. But I still want Christians to understand the details of the Tribulation just in case I am wrong and they know what to do. This way we have all angles covered.

I agree that it's important to have a basic knowledge of most, if not all, positions.

I used to be PreTrib and understand it. I have a very good understanding of PreWrath. I'm gaining in understanding of the Reformer's Historical view. Right now I'm looking at how I can incorporate parts of historical view with some PreWrath "stuff". Hey, I'm even beginning to understand the amillennial view. :o

 

[golfjack]

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Something for you to consider Vic. Gary DeMar argues that there are no gaps in the seventieth week in aany of the time periods he has eexamined in scripture, but the possible smoking gun against teachings is that he does not examine the 490 period that took place during Isarael's 800 years of occupation in the land.



May God bless, Golfjack

 

[tim-from-pa]

How about this:

They are saved, but not in their glorified bodies yet. Their offspring, however, may not turn into believers and "inherit" our original sin nature.

Yes, that's exactly what I believe as somebody (flesh and blood) has to inherit the Kingdom when Israel is restored and the other nations have to worship. BUt that is my point regarding the timing of the rapture as well. If these saved people just been thru the Tribulation and now suddenly Christ comes back, then why would they not be changed into their glorious bodies if that's when the rapture is supposed to occur? If Christ on the other hand comes back and they are merely gathered and saved (still in their bodies as Christians are now), then that implies that they missed being changed at some point. And like you said, their offspring will not be believers at the very end, even with the presence of the Lord and a perfect government which explains how there can be a rebellion at the end of Revelation.

The only translation I can see happening at the actual Second Coming is the resurrection of the martyred saints who it says also rules with Christ. That would not be a contradiction since they already were dead. But the living believers cannot undergo this transformation at the same time and yet be flesh and blood people to enter the Kingdom is my point regarding the timing. (As you know, the Pre-Trib rapture would be the resurrection and translation of the church not to be confused with the resurrection of the Tribulation martyrs and the last resurrection at the White Throne judgment).

 

[tim-from-pa]

there's another point I want to make about a pre-trib rapture that I did not mention as I said earlier I only hit on a few points and there are a few more. Here's one more of them.

Paul mentions the Judgment Seat of Christ. This is a judgment in heaven with believers (that's whom he was addressing) and not a judgment for unbelievers regarding salvation. Yet, at the end of Revelation, we see she "hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints." and these same arrayed characters return with Jesus in Revelation 19:14 "in fine linen". They come back already judged. For what are they judged? Not for salvation, but based on how they used their faith which resulted in their works.

Let's dig deeper, but I'll just touch on this for now. We know that the Jewish feast days were "shadows of things to come". The Spring feast Days regarding Christ's death (Passover), burial (Unleavened Bread) and Resurrection (Firstfruits) and Pentecost (the Spirit Coming) were all fulfilled. The autumn ones yet have to be fulfilled, the Trumpets (gathering of His people) the Atonement (judgment) and Tabernacles (their reign). For the church, the Rapture is typified by the Trumpets feast. They rule and reign with Christ at the Second Coming onward (Tabernacles). So we must have a judgment midway between them in heaven. If the believers are not raptured until the end, then the judgment has been missed and this antetype has been skipped. It can be debated perhaps that this judgment will take place on the earth, but then what about the white arrayed saints coming back with the Lord? They would only have their righteous apparel here and not coming back with Christ as revelation shows.

I think where the gathering of his people gets confused with the second coming is regarding Israel. there is that gather of Israel and Judah at the second coming as it says in Isaiah 11:12:

And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

and Jesus said the same thing regarding his return (the chosen is Israel, not the church in this instance)

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Once Israel is gathered like the Trumpets feast at the Second Coming, then there is this "sheep and goat" judgment of them and the nations (Atonement) followed by their participation in the Millennium (Tabernacles) where heaven and Earth blend more into one.