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Enough Islam terror! Heres some Jewish terror!

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Soma-Sight

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We have such a bias for the peace - loving Jews dont we.

We think the Arabs are the only terrorists!

Think again!

*Edited to get rid of islamic link*
 
Soma, I have edited your post as it included links to islamic webs. I find it amusing that you think you will ever get the truth from such as those but must remind you that linking to such areas is against the rules.

I would also remind you that the nation of Israel is God's chosen people and you really do not want to be found fighting against them when the Lord returns.
 
Of course...they are God's chosen people, whom he loves more than anyone else, but he will send them all to an eternity of hellfire if they don't accept your message........that makes perfect sense.
 
AHIMSA said:
Of course...they are God's chosen people, whom he loves more than anyone else, but he will send them all to an eternity of hellfire if they don't accept your message........that makes perfect sense.
I am sure it makes absolutely no sense in an unregenerated state.
 
let me get this straight lyric.


You show all these facts, from christian resoures, that prove that islam is bad. However, when someone posts a fact from an islam source, you immediately discredit it as false.


WHat is up with that?
 
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peace4all said:
let me get this straight lyric.


You show all these facts, from christian resoures, that prove that islam is bad. However, when someone posts a fact from an islam source, you immediately discredit it as false.


WHat is up with that?
Islam is a devil religion. I do not accept anything that comes from them as anything but lies perpetrated by the enemy. While I do not doubt that the Jewish people have made some grave errors in their dealings with these terrorists, I have to think of what they have suffered over the centuries at the hands of these people and wonder how much is enough.

I will never accept the word of a muslim on matters of faith and dealings with God's covenant people. They have already proven themselves liars and heathens in this matter.
 
Islam is a devil religion. I do not accept anything that comes from them as anything but lies perpetrated by the enemy. While I do not doubt that the Jewish people have made some grave errors in their dealings with these terrorists, I have to think of what they have suffered over the centuries at the hands of these people and wonder how much is enough.

I will never accept the word of a muslim on matters of faith and dealings with God's covenant people. They have already proven themselves liars and heathens in this matter.


tell me a few differnece between Islam and Christianity. U call it the devil religion, i see many simalarities, like we both beilve that those who kill are sinners.
 
y not peace? said:
Islam is a devil religion. I do not accept anything that comes from them as anything but lies perpetrated by the enemy. While I do not doubt that the Jewish people have made some grave errors in their dealings with these terrorists, I have to think of what they have suffered over the centuries at the hands of these people and wonder how much is enough.

I will never accept the word of a muslim on matters of faith and dealings with God's covenant people. They have already proven themselves liars and heathens in this matter.


tell me a few differnece between Islam and Christianity. U call it the devil religion, i see many simalarities, like we both beilve that those who kill are sinners.
Of course there are similarities. That is how the enemy works. Mankind has been programmed to need God so the enemy creates religions that have small pieces of truth mixed with lies and man falls for it. It is the way that satan gently leads people to hell.
 
ok but if the similarity is peace and it is prooved then their is no differnece.
 
Did Muhammad teach and practice a "religion of peace"?

Muhammad launches his own Crusades.

In the following verse, Muhammad uses the Arabic word qital (root is q-t-l), which means warring, fighting, or killing:

  • 9:29 Fight [q-t-l] those among the people of the Book [Christians] who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden and do not profess the true religion, till they pay the poll-tax out of hand and submissively. (Fakhry)
The two most interesting clauses in this violent verse are (1) People of the Book (Christians in this verse late in Muhammad’s life) are to be attacked if they do not profess the true religion: Islam. This leaves the door wide open for terrorists today to attack and fight Christians because they do not adhere to Islam; (2) Christians must pay a tax for the "privilege" of living under the "protection" of Islamâ€â€submissively or in humiliation.

Muhammad unjustly executes around 600 male Jews and enslaves the women and children.

After the Battle of the Trench in March 627 (named after a trench that the Muslims dug around parts of Medina) against a large coalition of Meccans and their allies, Muhammad imposed the ultimate penalty on the men in the Jewish clan, Qurayzah, his third and final Jewish rivals (he banished the Qaynuqa tribe in April 624 and the Nadir tribe in August 625). The Qurayzah tribe was supposed to remain neutral in the Battle, but they seem to have intrigued with the Meccans and to have been on the verge of attacking Muhammad from the rear. They were judged guilty by one of their Medinan Muslim allies, though Muhammad could have shown mercy, exiled them (as indeed they requested), or executed only a few.

The sentence: Death by decapitation for around 600 men (some Islamic sources say 900), and enslavement for the women and children (he took a beautiful Jewess as his own prize). Muhammad was wise enough to have six clans execute two Jews each in order to stop any blood-feuds. The rest of the executions were probably carried out by his fellow Emigrants from Mecca and lasted the whole night.

The prophet says the following in Sura 33:25-26 about the Battle of the Trench and his treatment of Qurayzah:

  • 33:25 God sent back the disbelievers along with their rageâ€â€they gained no benefitâ€â€and spared the believers from fighting. He is strong and mighty. 26 He brought those People of the Book [Qurayza] who supported them down from their strongholds and put terror into their hearts. Some of them you [believers] killed and some you took captive. 27 He passed on to you their land, their homes, their possessions, and a land where you had not set foot. God has power over everything. (Haleem)
Now this atrocity has been enshrined in the eternal word of Allahâ€â€and the Quran seems to celebrate it. But these questions must be answered: Is intriguing with the enemy equal to slaughtering 600 men and enslaving the women and children? Who decides? The Arab tribal chief with the most powerful army? Muhammad said around the time of his Hijrah in 622 the following:

  • 16:126 If you [people] have to respond to an attack, make your response proportionate, but it is better to be steadfast. (Haleem)
Any reasonable and fair-minded person would judge that Muhammad was not making his response (execution) proportionate to the breach of the agreement. The Qurayzah tribe never attacked the Muslims, and even if a few were to have done so, the punishment does not fit the crime. Therefore, Muhammad was being excessive and disproportionate because he used an irreversible penalty to express his human wrath.

Muhammad in his Quran promises sensuous Gardens for martyrs dying in a military holy war.

Throughout the Quran, Muhammad promises the men in his fledgling Muslim community that if they die fighting for Allah and for him, Allah will reward them with a "virgin-rich" Garden (Suras 44:51-56; 52:17-29; 55:46-78).

In the following Quranic passage, representing others (Suras 4:74, 9:111; 3:140-143), the Arabic word "jihad" (root is j-h-d) is the means or currency to trade in this life for the life to come in an economic bargain.

  • 61:10 You who believe, shall I show you a bargain that will save you from painful punishment? 11 Have faith in God and His Messenger and struggle [j-h-d] for His cause with your possessions and your personsâ€â€that is better for you, if only you knewâ€â€12 and He will forgive your sins, admit you into Gardens graced with flowing streams, into pleasant dwellings in the Gardens of Eternity. That is the supreme triumph. (Haleem)
These verses are found in the historical context of the Battle of Uhud (625), in which Muhammad lost 70 of his fighters. Thus, he must make the loss of life appear worth the sacrifice, so he frames their deaths in an economic bargain (note the word in bold print). If his jihadists trade in or sell their lives down here, they will be granted Islamic heavenâ€â€it is a done deal.

Muhammad aggressively attacks Meccan caravans.

A year or so after Muhammad’s Hijrah from Mecca to Medina in 622, he attacks Meccan caravans six times, and sent out a punitive expedition three-days away against an Arab tribe that stole some Medinan grazing camels (or cattle), totaling seven raids.

W. Montgomery Watt, a highly reputable Western Islamologist who writes in favor of Muhammad and whose two-volume history of early Islam (Muhammad at Mecca (1953) and Muhammad at Medina (1956)) has won wide acceptance, tells us why geography matters:

  • The chief point to notice is that the Muslims took the offensive. With one exception the seven expeditions were directed against Meccan caravans. The geographical situation lent itself to this. Caravans from Mecca to Syria had to pass between Medina and the coast. Even if they kept as close to the Red Sea as possible, they had to pass within about eighty miles of Medina, and, while at this distance from the enemy base, would be twice as far from their own base. (Muhammad at Medina, emphasis added, p. 2)
It must be emphatically stated that the Meccans never sent a force up to the doorstep of Medina at this timeâ€â€they did later on when they were fed up with Muhammad’s aggressions. It is true that the Meccans gathered forces to protect their caravans, but when Muhammad confronted them, they were many days’ journeys away from Medina, often more than eighty miles. (Medina and Mecca are around 200-250 miles from each other, taking seven to eleven days of travel by foot, horse, or camel.)

Muhammad assassinates poets and poetesses.

These two poets represent others in early Islam.

March 624: Uqba bin Abu Muayt

Uqba mocked Muhammad in Mecca and wrote derogatory verses about him. He was captured during the Battle of Badr, and Muhammad ordered him to be executed. "But who will look after my children, O Muhammad?" Uqba cried with anguish. "Hell," retorted the prophet coldly. Then the sword of one of his followers cut through Uqba’s neck.

March 624: Asma bint Marwan

Asma was a poetess who belonged to a tribe of Medinan pagans, and whose husband was named Yazid b. Zayd. She composed a poem blaming the Medinan pagans for obeying a stranger (Muhammad) and for not taking the initiative to attack him by surprise. When the prophet heard what she had said, he asked, "Who will rid me of Marwan’s daughter?" A member of her husband’s tribe volunteered and crept into her house that night. She had five children, and the youngest was sleeping at her breast. The assassin gently removed the child, drew his sword, and plunged it into her, killing her in her sleep.

The following morning, the assassin defied anyone to take revenge. No one took him up on his challenge, not even her husband. In fact, Islam became powerful among his tribe. Previously, some members who had kept their conversion secret now became Muslims openly, "because they saw the power of Islam," so conjectures an early Muslim source that reports the assassination.

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Of course, Muslim apologists and others who have been fooled by the smooth-talking Imams assert that Christianity is filled with violence, citing the Roman Emperor Constantine and the Medieval Crusaders. However, to repeat, they are not foundational for Christianityâ€â€only Christ and the New Testament are. And Jesus and the New Testament authors never practiced or endorsed such violence.

On the other hand, Muhammad and his Quran are foundational for Islam, and violence fills his life and its pages.

Source

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y not peace? said:
ok but if the similarity is peace and it is prooved then their is no differnece.
PEACE? Please. They are not a peaceful religion. Those that are not waging jihad are actually not following the religion correctly. Their koran commands it. The only way that the muslims want peace is through forced conversion to islam so the entire world is islamic. Then they say there will be peace.

Over my dead body.
 
Lyric's Dad said:
Those that are not waging jihad are actually not following the religion correctly. .
Well, I would say that at least 99%, probably higher, of Muslims are not waging Jihad---so maybe your concept of "following the religion correctly" is wrong. Do I believe that hundreds of millions of Muslims who were raised from birth in the religion know how to follow their religion correctly, or do I believe that Lyric's Dad, a non-Muslim, knows how to? You can argue all you want that a good practicing Muslim has to engage in jihad, but reality clearly shows your argument is wrong.
 
As 90% of Muslims do NOT speak Arabic, they have no clue what the Quran really says about Jihad. Secondly, most are totally unaware of what their prophet, Muhammad, actually did. Again, that is recorded in the Hadith which until recently, was only available in Arabic.

Maybe you, cubedbee, would like to explain what Jihad is. Remember, use only the Quran and the Hadith.

:-? :-?
 
Gary said:
As 90% of Muslims do NOT speak Arabic, they have no clue what the Quran really says about Jihad.
Oh, so you mean that those 90% of non-Arab speaking Muslims don't get religious schooling and aren't taught the Koran from a young age? And if this 90% is ignorant of what the Quran says about jihad, that doesn't make them any less Muslim, and I am correct in saying that the vast majority of Muslims are not waging jihad.

Secondly, most are totally unaware of what their prophet, Muhammad, actually did. Again, that is recorded in the Hadith which until recently, was only available in Arabic.
Their ignorance doesn't make them any less Muslim. Once again, I am correct in saying that most muslims aren't waging Jihad, and whether that is because they are simply ignorant of the Scriptural claims you are making, or because they interpret these Scriptures differently, it doesn't matter. The Gary view of Islam is not the kind of Islam that most Muslims follow.

Maybe you, cubedbee, would like to explain what Jihad is. Remember, use only the Quran and the Hadith.

:-? :-?
No, I wouldn't like to. What would the relevance be? You certainly know what Jihad is, and you also certainly know that despite your claim that a "true Muslim" must engage in Jihad, there are hundreds of millions of actual physical practing Muslims who prove you wrong.
 
The following facts show that you know very little about Islam:

(1) Islam is not a religion of peace
http://www.answering-islam.org/Terrorism/index.html

(2) Jihad: The Teachings of Islam from its primary sources - the Qur'an and Hadith
http://www.answering-islam.org/Bailey/jihad.html

(3) The Koran's 150+ Jihad Verses
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Th ... sages.html

(4) Muhammad's murders
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/terrorism.htm

Silas said:
Muhammad was a terrorist. Based upon Muhammad's actions and teachings, Islam justifies terrorism. Today, Muslims use that justification to attack and murder those who differ from them. Muslim terrorists follow in Muhammad's footsteps.

Jesus condemned those who murdered without repentance ...."Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood" Revelation 22:15. Muhammad falls into that category.

Jesus said in John 8:44 that Satan was a murderer from the beginning, and that those who sought to murder Him were Satan's children. As soon as he could, Muhammad began to have people murdered. Today, Muhammad's children do the same works.

Jesus taught that one day people would murder Christians thinking they would be doing service to God. Today, in Muslim countries, like Iran for instance, Muslims murder ex-Muslims who have become Christians. And in other countries, they attack and threaten others.

Jesus taught to love your enemies, to pray for those who persecute you. Jesus didn't send his disciples out to murder people in the night, Muhammad did. Take the example of Christ and the Samaritans opposition to Jesus.

"As the time approached for Him to be taken up to heaven, Jesus resolutely set out for Jerusalem. And he set messengers on ahead, who went into a Samaritan village to get things ready for him; but the people there did not welcome him, because he was heading for Jerusalem. When the disciples James and John saw this, they asked, "Lord, do you want us to call fire down from heaven to destroy them?" And he said, "You do not know what kind of spirit you are of, for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them." And they went to another village." Luke 9:51-56

Muhammad would have ordered his men to attack the Samaritan village, then kill or enslave the people, and take all their possession as plunder. After Muhammad gained power, he sent his armies out to attack non-Muslims.

Who then really brought God's message of His love for mankind? Who really taught peace?

Surely, this man Muhammad was not from God. Instead, Muhammad is one of the false prophets Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:11 -
"and many false prophets shall arise and deceive many".
(4) Muslims blowing themselves up and murdering others in Iraq, India, Afghanistan, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Russia, Syria, Chechnya, Algeria, Mauritania, Lebanon, Philippines, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Bangladesh, Somalia, Dagestan, UK (London)….. care to explain why Muslims do this?

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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

:sad :sad
 
None of this contradicts what I have been saying. Islam, as practiced by the majority of Muslims, regardless of anything the Quran or Hadith say, is not a violent religion. Islam, as practiced by a very small minority of Muslims, is the violent religion you portray it to be. I don't deny that those who practice the violent form can find support in their scriptures---I simply deny that most Muslims practice this violent form of Islam.
 
Those that commit murder and terror for Islam follow Muhammad's example.

:-?
 
Gary

Gary :
Those that commit murder and terror for Islam follow Muhammad's example.

On which the basis of a talk do you say this ?

I don't blame the Muslims for what's hapning in the world today and nither you or i met nither one of those muslims who commit or do those attacks .


all the muslims i meet are totally the apposite of what we see and read on the net .

they are kind and when they say hi they smile to you with respect .

these terrorist attacks we see everywhere are done by stupid muslims who don't know their religion .

it's just like a Christian saying hey am a christian but when you ask him what does christianity mean he says i don't know !

simple as that .

thankyou
 
We have such a bias for the peace - loving Jews dont we.

God never did. He was always willing to deliver them into the hands of their enemies if they did not follow his covernant and turned away in the old testament.

I thought Jews were attacked for their beliefs, just like any other religious group today?
 
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