Enough Islam terror! Heres some Jewish terror!

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Re: Gary

Gary said:
Those that commit murder and terror for Islam follow Muhammad's example.
Problematic said:
On which the basis of a talk do you say this ?

I don't blame the Muslims for what's hapning in the world today and nither you or i met nither one of those muslims who commit or do those attacks .

all the muslims i meet are totally the apposite of what we see and read on the net .

they are kind and when they say hi they smile to you with respect .

these terrorist attacks we see everywhere are done by stupid muslims who don't know their religion .

it's just like a Christian saying hey am a christian but when you ask him what does christianity mean he says i don't know !

simple as that .

thankyou

You are right. It is very simple. They follow Muhammad's example. Muhammad murdered and attacked anyone who opposed him. So all that has to happen is that someone is declared an opponent of Islam and an opponent of the prophet of Islam and they can be killed. Muhammad did that.

Also, so that you can start to understand who this man Muhammad was and how he killed and murdered his enemies, read these:

  • (1) Muhammad and the Rape of the Female Slaves -here-
    (2) Muhammad and the Murder of Abu Afak -here-
    (3) Muhammad and the Murder of Asma bint Marwan -here-
    (4) The Deception and Murder of Kab al-Ashraf -here-
    (5) Muhammad and the Death of Kinana -here-
    (6) Muhammad and the Death of the Uraynians -here-
    (7) Muhammad and the Killing of Apostates -here-
    (8) Muhammad and the Meccan Ten -here-
    (9) Muhammad and the Treaty of Hudaybiyya -here-
Muslims have been murdering Muslims from the day Muhammad died.

Read further:

The Fruits of Islam's Royal Family

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Gary :
Muhammad murdered and attacked anyone who opposed him.

Yes Gary this is in your point of veiw but when you are in war you must fight your enemy .

The enemy has kicked him out of his home and killed some of his family insulting him, the least he could do is get his home back .

Thankyou for assuming things about my religion .


Gary :
Muhammad and the Rape of the Female Slaves

Gary that is not true what was written in it .

God says in the Holy Quran :

Surah 23. Al-Mu'minoon Part 18

1- Successful indeed are the believers
2- Those who their salat ( prayers ) with all solemnity and full submissiveness
3- And those who turn away from Al-laghw (dirty, false, evil, vain talk, falsehood, and all that Allah has forbidden)
4- And those who pay zakat ( give charity )
5-And those who guard their chastity (i.e private parts, from illegal sexual acts)
6- Except from their wives or ( the slaves ) that their right hands possess, -- got then, they are free from blame


And my friend the Quran was reaveled to Mohammad and it's in his heart and he would never do such acts and who ever says he did it has hate for Mohammad and this is an insult to say mohammad did it because Allah gave permissiom to the muslims that they can have sex with the right hands possess .

you cannot say oh God your wrong ! God is always just.

And i will not answer the rest because i am still a student of knowledge in Islam but Mohammad is no Murdrer .

this accusation is from non believers .

to Muslims he is the most just ever to be created and most man who has mercy .

Just like when he got his home back he had alot of slaves and he stood in front of the door of the Ka'bah and said

What am i to do with you ? You dragged out of my home , insulted me, killed my uncle and hurt me .

they said ur our brother and the son of our best man .

mohammad said : Go your free !

this is how much mercy he had .
 
Gary said:
Muhammad murdered and attacked anyone who opposed him.
Problematic said:
Yes Gary this is in your point of veiw but when you are in war you must fight your enemy.

The enemy has kicked him out of his home and killed some of his family insulting him, the least he could do is get his home back.
You have not offered any proof of your claim at all. Did Abu Afak or Asma bint Marwan or Kab al-Ashraf or Kinana do any of these things you claim? If so, please bring the proof.

Gary said:
Muhammad and the Rape of the Female Slaves
Problematic said:
Gary that is not true what was written in it .

God says in the Holy Quran :

Surah 23. Al-Mu'minoon Part 18

1- Successful indeed are the believers
2- Those who their salat ( prayers ) with all solemnity and full submissiveness
3- And those who turn away from Al-laghw (dirty, false, evil, vain talk, falsehood, and all that Allah has forbidden)
4- And those who pay zakat ( give charity )
5-And those who guard their chastity (i.e private parts, from illegal sexual acts)
6- Except from their wives or ( the slaves ) that their right hands possess, -- got then, they are free from blame


And my friend the Quran was reaveled to Mohammad and it's in his heart and he would never do such acts and who ever says he did it has hate for Mohammad and this is an insult to say mohammad did it because Allah gave permissiom to the muslims that they can have sex with the right hands possess .

you cannot say oh God your wrong ! God is always just.
FROM THE QURAN - 70:22-30

"Not so the worshippers, who are steadfast in prayer, who set aside a due portion of their wealth for the beggar and for the deprived, who truly believe in the Day of Reckoning and dread the punishment of their Lord (for none is secure from the punishment of their Lord); who restrain their carnal desire (save with their wives and their slave girls, for these are lawful to them: he that lusts after other than these is a transgressor..."

This verse shows that Muslim men were allowed to have sex with their wives (of course) and their slave girls.

FROM THE QURAN - 23:5,6

"...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them..."

Again, Muslim men were allowed to have sexual relations with their wives and slave girls.

FROM THE QURAN - 33:50

"Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty;..."

This verse is for Muhammad. Supposedly, God allows Muhammad to have sex with his slave girls.

Now read the Hadith:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/femalecaptives.htm

The Hadith quoted show that:

1) The Muslim men were out in the field, and took female captives following a battle.

2) They were divided up between the men and the men were very horny. They were without their wives who were back home.

3) So, the men prepared to have sex with the females, out on the field, away from home, and asked Muhammad about coitus interruptus. They didn't want to get the females pregnant because they wanted to later sell the female slaves for money. Had they gotten them pregnant the Muslim men would be forced to be responsible for the children.

4) Marriage wasn't required to have sex with the females. Listen to the men's own words.... "we were interested in their prices", i.e., they wanted to sell them. No Muslim man would marry a women intending to sell her later. That is not what "nikah" - marriage was all about. These men wanted to have sex with their slaves, enjoy them, and they later sell them.

5) And if you note what Ali did, - had sex with a female before the "human booty" was divided up between the Muslim soldiers. Muhammad allowed him to do this.


What does all of this boil down to? Muslim men were allowed to have intercourse with their female slaves after the slaves had had one menstrual period. The reason for waiting one menstrual cycle was to insure that the female slaves were not already pregnant prior to being captured.

In some cases, the female slave's husbands were also captives and it was still legal for the Muslim men to have sex with the female captives. Muhammad received a "revelation" allowing the Muslim men to have sex with the female slaves while there were still married to their captive husbands. A note on the Hadith says that according to Islam, when the married couple is captured, their marriage is automatically annulled!

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Re: Gary

Problematic said:
Gary :
Those that commit murder and terror for Islam follow Muhammad's example.

On which the basis of a talk do you say this ?

I don't blame the Muslims for what's hapning in the world today and nither you or i met nither one of those muslims who commit or do those attacks .


all the muslims i meet are totally the apposite of what we see and read on the net .

they are kind and when they say hi they smile to you with respect .

these terrorist attacks we see everywhere are done by stupid muslims who don't know their religion .

it's just like a Christian saying hey am a christian but when you ask him what does christianity mean he says i don't know !

simple as that .

thankyou

The problem is that since the Koran endorses killing people who disagree with the Muslims then any Muslim can use the koran to justify murder. Mohammed not only didn't repent of his murder and pedophilia but he is proud of it. Jesus said: "If Beezelbiub is the head of the household, then how much more so the members of his household!" The Muslims cannot claim to follow Mohammed and not do what Mohammed did. If they disagree with Mohammed's killing and pedophilia then they are saying their prophet was wrong and cannot therefore follow his teachings. They are then a house divided against itself.
 
Re: Gary

Problematic said:
Gary :
Those that commit murder and terror for Islam follow Muhammad's example.

On which the basis of a talk do you say this ?

I don't blame the Muslims for what's hapning in the world today and nither you or i met nither one of those muslims who commit or do those attacks .


all the muslims i meet are totally the apposite of what we see and read on the net .

they are kind and when they say hi they smile to you with respect .

these terrorist attacks we see everywhere are done by stupid muslims who don't know their religion .

it's just like a Christian saying hey am a christian but when you ask him what does christianity mean he says i don't know !

simple as that .

thankyou

The problem is that since the Koran endorses killing people who disagree with the Muslims then any Muslim can use the koran to justify murder. Mohammed not only didn't repent of his murder and pedophilia but he is proud of it. Jesus said: "If Beezelbiub is the head of the household, then how much more so the members of his household!" The Muslims cannot claim to follow Mohammed and not do what Mohammed did. If they disagree with Mohammed's killing and pedophilia then they are saying their prophet was wrong and cannot therefore follow his teachings. They are then a house divided against itself.
 
Re: Gary

Heidi said:
The problem is that since the Koran endorses killing people who disagree with the Muslims then any Muslim can use the koran to justify murder.

Well, there is certainly a lot of instances in the Old Testament where God actually endorses killing (Ezekial 9, for example); so murder in the name of God is hardly limited to Islam.

Rather than keep demeaning all Muslims, for their interpretation by a few brethren of a few of their sacred scriptures (and demeaning their prophet in the process) wouldn't i be better to seek some sort of common ground with them?

It certainly seems like an atitude Christ would take.
 
Re: Gary

PHIL121 said:
Rather than keep demeaning all Muslims, for their interpretation by a few brethren of a few of their sacred scriptures (and demeaning their prophet in the process) wouldn't i be better to seek some sort of common ground with them?

It certainly seems like an atitude Christ would take.

Really? What did Jesus say about false teachers? What did Jesus say about false prophets? How did He suggest that we judge them?

(Small clue: ..... by their FRUITS! )

Try Matthew 7:15-20

Matthew said:
A Tree and Its Fruit
Jesus said: 15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

..... He also said:

Matthew said:
Matthew 12:33-35
Jesus said: 33"Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. 34You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. 35The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.

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PHIL121 said:
.....wouldn't i be better to seek some sort of common ground with them?

Jesus said: "He who is not with Me is against Me....." (Matthew 12:30)

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PHIL121 said:
Rather than keep demeaning all Muslims, for their interpretation by a few brethren of a few of their sacred scriptures.....

Do you know that there are 164 jihad verses in the Quran? -source-

:o :o
 
Re: Gary

PHIL121 said:
Heidi said:
The problem is that since the Koran endorses killing people who disagree with the Muslims then any Muslim can use the koran to justify murder.

Well, there is certainly a lot of instances in the Old Testament where God actually endorses killing (Ezekial 9, for example); so murder in the name of God is hardly limited to Islam.

Rather than keep demeaning all Muslims, for their interpretation by a few brethren of a few of their sacred scriptures (and demeaning their prophet in the process) wouldn't i be better to seek some sort of common ground with them?

It certainly seems like an atitude Christ would take.
You think that taking common ground with cults is something that Jesus would do? That certainly would negate His statements that

He is the only Mediator between God and man.

He is the sheepgate.

He is the Good Shepherd.

No man comes to the Father but through Him.


And would it not negate the fact that the early disciples showed those trapped in the cults and false god worship that they were wrong and pointed them to the ONLY ONE who could save them?

No, we are not on common footing. We will not stand in allegiance with those who twist the Word of God and make a mockery of the Son. We are not one with those who worship in devil religions and minimize the Christ.
 
Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same Father God.

And in Genesis 21:18, God promises Ishmael to "make him a great nation. "

So going around condemning ALL Muslims is just as as bad as calling Jews "Christ-killers"

We certainly risk the wrath of God by behaving in such a prejudice manner.

Although I wouldn't mind seeing ObL getting his brain's blown out.

And, ya know, God might be trying to tell us something in that with all our wonderful technological we still can't locate one hate mongering False prophet.
 
PHIL121 said:
Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same Father God.
Not true at all. Muhammad's god, Allah, is the author of evil. Even the Quran admits that. To understand the difference in what the Bible teaches about God and what the Quran teaches about Allah, please read this:
http://www.answering-islam.org/God/index.html

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PHIL121 said:
Although I wouldn't mind seeing ObL getting his brain's blown out.

...And, ya know, God might be trying to tell us something in that with all our wonderful technological we still can't locate one hate mongering False prophet.

It is Muhammad who is the false prophet. ObL never claimed to be a prophet. Rather look at the fruit of Muhammad. Would you follow Muhammad's example? Have you studied Muhammad's fruits? Jesus said you should.

:)
 
Gary said:
PHIL121 said:
Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same Father God.
Not true at all. Muhammad's god, Allah, is the author of evil. Even the Quran admits that.

Hardly, the Koran calls Allah the father of all mercy.

And Allah is the SAME God of the Hebrews from the Old Testament.

God even promises in Genesis 21:18 to make for Ishmael "a great nation".