Deborah13
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So far, so good. These scriptures are clear as to whom is being spoken to and about. I think the RSB, did a nice job, on this one.
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Bible Study EPHESIANS.........A verse by verse study
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So far, so good. These scriptures are clear as to whom is being spoken to and about. I think the RSB, did a nice job, on this one.
josefnospam
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[MENTION=45243]TRUTH over TRADITION[/MENTION] Use what ever translation you prefer. As for removing the word CHRIST from the bible this is such a shame as the word of Christ is precious and basic to all. And you are advocating REMOVIONG the word CHRIST and replacing it with whatever you think is a better or more acuate name or phrase.
Yes the authorized KJV is word of God and an attempt to improve on God's word can lead to all kinds of problems. I am not against other translations. The bible is translated into many other languages and this is wonderfull if you don't speak english. But to paraphrase, or change words, omit and add others leads to some good and some very bad translations depending on if the translators wanted to get across a point that is THEIR understanding of scriptures. If we use the KJV we don't have such problems introduced as men attempts to "improve" the word of God.
Again use what you like. I ocassionally use the NKJV to compare scriptures but find that as the standard for the word of God it its hard to beat the KJV. Also most concordances are keyed on this version, and most churches used it for hundreds of years with great success.
Yes the authorized KJV is word of God and an attempt to improve on God's word can lead to all kinds of problems. I am not against other translations. The bible is translated into many other languages and this is wonderfull if you don't speak english. But to paraphrase, or change words, omit and add others leads to some good and some very bad translations depending on if the translators wanted to get across a point that is THEIR understanding of scriptures. If we use the KJV we don't have such problems introduced as men attempts to "improve" the word of God.
Again use what you like. I ocassionally use the NKJV to compare scriptures but find that as the standard for the word of God it its hard to beat the KJV. Also most concordances are keyed on this version, and most churches used it for hundreds of years with great success.
josefnospam
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EPHESIANS CHAPTER 1 VERSE 10, 11, 12 and 13
Dispensation of the fullness of time.........The plan..................he(Christ) might gather together in one ALL things in Christ, both of which are in heaven, and which are on earth, even in Him. He's going to gather together all his choosen people(we are in Christ on this earth who belong to him,and all the saints who have died physically are also in Christ in heaven) He will gather ALL together in him when he returns and all things are compleated.
This done when time is full and right for his return.
Verse 11.........In whom also we(his choosen people) have obtained an inheritance, being predetinated to such a gloryous honor, acording to the purpose of him(CHRIST) who works ALL things after the counsel of HIS own will.
Verse 12....... He does this so that WE(his choosen people) should be to the praise of HIS glory, who first trusted in Christ. His wonderfull plan is that ALL his choosen people should give him all the Glory, honor and oraise he alone is worthy of and they will. What a great God we worship. HE DID THIS and not we ourselves.
Verse 13.........Ye(his choosen people) trusted in Him after you heard the word of truth, That is the Gospil of your salvation, in whom we belived and we(his choosen people) were sealed with THAT holy spirit of promise. His people trust in only him after they hear the gospil and believe in him and then are sealed with spirit of promise that he will not fail to save ALL his precious choosen blood bought people..
What a magnificant declaration. We are safe in his hands, forever and sealed (Confirmed) by the most HOLY Spirit of promise. His promises cannot and will not fail and we can rest in that forever. Rev. 7:3 says "hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their forheads.
Now Rev. is symbolic and there are some spiritial truths here. Sufice it to say this will not be done untill all his people have been sealed in their foerheads. This verse is so rich in so many ways but for now just note the sealing of his servants who we Are. Then comes the end. Rev 7 would be a wonderfull chapter to study and there are many, many good things one could learn from this Chapter. I am not qulified, nor able to comprehend all the truths in this passage of Rev. yet and I may never be. Time will tell. But I do know we (his people) are sealed by his Spirit.
Dispensation of the fullness of time.........The plan..................he(Christ) might gather together in one ALL things in Christ, both of which are in heaven, and which are on earth, even in Him. He's going to gather together all his choosen people(we are in Christ on this earth who belong to him,and all the saints who have died physically are also in Christ in heaven) He will gather ALL together in him when he returns and all things are compleated.
This done when time is full and right for his return.
Verse 11.........In whom also we(his choosen people) have obtained an inheritance, being predetinated to such a gloryous honor, acording to the purpose of him(CHRIST) who works ALL things after the counsel of HIS own will.
Verse 12....... He does this so that WE(his choosen people) should be to the praise of HIS glory, who first trusted in Christ. His wonderfull plan is that ALL his choosen people should give him all the Glory, honor and oraise he alone is worthy of and they will. What a great God we worship. HE DID THIS and not we ourselves.
Verse 13.........Ye(his choosen people) trusted in Him after you heard the word of truth, That is the Gospil of your salvation, in whom we belived and we(his choosen people) were sealed with THAT holy spirit of promise. His people trust in only him after they hear the gospil and believe in him and then are sealed with spirit of promise that he will not fail to save ALL his precious choosen blood bought people..
What a magnificant declaration. We are safe in his hands, forever and sealed (Confirmed) by the most HOLY Spirit of promise. His promises cannot and will not fail and we can rest in that forever. Rev. 7:3 says "hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their forheads.
Now Rev. is symbolic and there are some spiritial truths here. Sufice it to say this will not be done untill all his people have been sealed in their foerheads. This verse is so rich in so many ways but for now just note the sealing of his servants who we Are. Then comes the end. Rev 7 would be a wonderfull chapter to study and there are many, many good things one could learn from this Chapter. I am not qulified, nor able to comprehend all the truths in this passage of Rev. yet and I may never be. Time will tell. But I do know we (his people) are sealed by his Spirit.
Deborah13
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Ephesians 1:10-13 KJV
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. (THE Apostles)
The verses 11 and 12, Paul is speaking about the Apostles.
Verse 13, he speaks of others, which includes us.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, (Us, believers, born again believers)
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. (THE Apostles)
The verses 11 and 12, Paul is speaking about the Apostles.
Verse 13, he speaks of others, which includes us.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, (Us, believers, born again believers)
josefnospam
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We ,refers to all God's choosen people. You can't say in one verse it refers to one group of people while in another it refers to another group. We are ALL predistinated and choosen to be holy and without blame. The apostles were chosen exactly like we were, before the world was made.
Precious and wonderfull scriptures. This whole chapter one is to the saints at Ephesais and to the saints alive today as well. God had the same plan to save Paul as he does to save me or you. The bible is for us as well as to them. You can't pick and choose which verses or chapters you like or dislike. The Whole Bible from cover to cover is about Christ and his Salvation plan.
Deborah13
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With all due respect. The scripture speaks for itself.
In verse 12, it says "we who first trusted in Christ"
In verse 13 it says "In whom, ye also trusted after hearing the Word" I fit into this second, "ye also, after hearing the Word, and are sealed". I was not there to be one of first, to hear.
Yes, it is.
josefnospam
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Would you be so kind as to quote the parts that we would be well to amend and not use. I use the whole Bible. We can't pick and choose. "All scripture is given by insperation of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in Rightousness" 11 tim3:16
Also "no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation".................11 Peter 1:20
Blessings to you from our Great and Holy God.
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EPHESIANS CHAPTER 1 VERSE 14, 15 and 16
The earnest of our inheritence...........That we were sealed by the holy spirit of promise, to our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession.
We are his purchased possisson paid for in Blood and we have an inheritance in him. We are redeemed by him alone.
.And why........unto the praise of his Glory . It's all for his Glory, not mans.
Verse 15......Now Paul addresss the saints alive at the time he wrote this Ephesus. As is so often the case these things apply to us today.
'I (PAUL) heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and Love unto all the saints."
Today it is a JOY to hear of someones faith in only the LORD Jesus Christ and their love of all the saints, now and today. How wonderfull when someone expresses their Love for the breathern and their Faith in JESUS CHRIST, not themselves or any man. And all this was purposed for his honor and Praise. What a GREAT and Amazing God we worship.
Verse 16.......Cease not to give thanks for you making mention of you in my prayers.. Never stop to give thanks for Each and every single one you believe belongs to him. And pray for them often. Its a cruel world and wildeness where the true Gospil is so often replaced with another gospil.
Pray for Each precious one you believe belong to him and that the truth would be exalted about JESUS CHRIST the LORD and SAVIOUR.
The earnest of our inheritence...........That we were sealed by the holy spirit of promise, to our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession.
We are his purchased possisson paid for in Blood and we have an inheritance in him. We are redeemed by him alone.
.And why........unto the praise of his Glory . It's all for his Glory, not mans.
Verse 15......Now Paul addresss the saints alive at the time he wrote this Ephesus. As is so often the case these things apply to us today.
'I (PAUL) heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and Love unto all the saints."
Today it is a JOY to hear of someones faith in only the LORD Jesus Christ and their love of all the saints, now and today. How wonderfull when someone expresses their Love for the breathern and their Faith in JESUS CHRIST, not themselves or any man. And all this was purposed for his honor and Praise. What a GREAT and Amazing God we worship.
Verse 16.......Cease not to give thanks for you making mention of you in my prayers.. Never stop to give thanks for Each and every single one you believe belongs to him. And pray for them often. Its a cruel world and wildeness where the true Gospil is so often replaced with another gospil.
Pray for Each precious one you believe belong to him and that the truth would be exalted about JESUS CHRIST the LORD and SAVIOUR.
Deborah13
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14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
I pray for believers and unbelievers because Jesus said....
Matthew 5:44-45 KJV
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
I pray for believers and unbelievers because Jesus said....
Matthew 5:44-45 KJV
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
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Asyncritus
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It's a pity that this thread has degenerated into so many irrelevancies.
I was hoping for some enlightenment concerning the difficult verses in chapter 1, but I only see wordspinning and some disagreement.
How could we have been 'chosen in Him before the foundation of the world' (v4)? Does that make us pre-existent too, or does it make Jesus non-pre-existent? Or what?
I was hoping for some enlightenment concerning the difficult verses in chapter 1, but I only see wordspinning and some disagreement.
How could we have been 'chosen in Him before the foundation of the world' (v4)? Does that make us pre-existent too, or does it make Jesus non-pre-existent? Or what?
Deborah13
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This is the Bible Study Forum and [MENTION=94634]josefnospam[/MENTION] is the author of thread, so I have tried to stick closely to his lead. That doesn't mean we can't stick in our two cents as long as we don't turn it into a debate.
Personally, I love this type of study. Yes, it could be deeper.
So maybe with my mention, [MENTION=94634]josefnospam[/MENTION], maybe he will be able to answer your questions with what he believes.
josefnospam
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I kept this study short on purpose to save time and space. This is not an indepth study. Just mostly quoting what was said with a few comments. If you dis-agree thats ok but as stated this is not a debate. State what you dis-agree with and a scripture to support why you do so.
We were choosen in him before the foundations of the world because he said so. I believe in what he said although how the mechanics of how he did this is not releaved. This is a deep subject and would require a lengthy and carefull study of several scriptures in several different books of the bible. If you would like I would be willing to go to a one on one forum and delve into this wonderfull,God Glorifing subject. However be advised that this would be very thorough and time consuming and many scriptures would be examined. Most people don't have the time or patience to sit thru such things and I would rather not engage in this, but if you REALLY want to I would do so. There are many other simpler and easier truths to examined. Succfice it to say God said this, "WE were choosen by him before he made the world "and I believe it because he said it and go on. It does imply some faith to believe how he did this or in what form we were or any other speculations men may have. He predestinated his choosen people to be adopted by him, for to give HIM all the honor, and praise and glory. He redeemed and paid for us with his blood according to the riches of his grace. This is a subject that men struggle with who want to believe that man has a will to choose God. Again if you REALLY want to I would assemble all my previous notes and ideas and scriptures and studies and expound on this. It will take some time and serious study. And it would be private, between me and you. What say you..........I say there is time better spent on this forum.
I kept this study short on purpose to save time and space. This is not an indepth study. Just mostly quoting what was said with a few comments. If you dis-agree thats ok but as stated this is not a debate. State what you dis-agree with and a scripture to support why you do so.
We were choosen in him before the foundations of the world because he said so. I believe in what he said although how the mechanics of how he did this is not releaved. This is a deep subject and would require a lengthy and carefull study of several scriptures in several different books of the bible. If you would like I would be willing to go to a one on one forum and delve into this wonderfull,God Glorifing subject. However be advised that this would be very thorough and time consuming and many scriptures would be examined. Most people don't have the time or patience to sit thru such things and I would rather not engage in this, but if you REALLY want to I would do so. There are many other simpler and easier truths to examined. Succfice it to say God said this, "WE were choosen by him before he made the world "and I believe it because he said it and go on. It does imply some faith to believe how he did this or in what form we were or any other speculations men may have. He predestinated his choosen people to be adopted by him, for to give HIM all the honor, and praise and glory. He redeemed and paid for us with his blood according to the riches of his grace. This is a subject that men struggle with who want to believe that man has a will to choose God. Again if you REALLY want to I would assemble all my previous notes and ideas and scriptures and studies and expound on this. It will take some time and serious study. And it would be private, between me and you. What say you..........I say there is time better spent on this forum.
josefnospam
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[MENTION=46316]Asyncritus[/MENTION] The word of God is never irrevelient when quoted. The thread may have done so but the word of God stands as the truth it always is.
That is one reason scriptures are quoted often.
That is one reason scriptures are quoted often.
Deborah13
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Whoa josef, I didn't ask the questions. It was [MENTION=46316]Asyncritus[/MENTION], I was just telling him that info and that maybe you would want to address HIS questions.
See posts above, 31 and 32.
He just didn't address his statement to anyone in particular, it's your Bible Study and you are the leader. I have no comments about what you say.
Carry on.....
josefnospam
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Sorry this post was meant more for him than you. My fault..........I find you and your faith refressing. And my faults glaring like sending the wrong post to the wrong person.
Deborah13
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No problem, I have done the same thing just recently and I've been on here for about nine months now. I just don't want this boat rocked. I like studying scripture and even looking at different interpretations directly from the scriptures.
josefnospam
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EPHESIANS CHAPTER 1 VERSE 17, 18,19 and 20
Make mention in your prayers......"that the God of our LORD Jesus Christ, the father of Glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revalation in the knowldge of him: God the father is the God of Glory. Pray that he may give you his spirit of wisdom and Revelation and this in the knowldge of him
Such refreshing Words. WE should desire wisdom and revelation and knowdgle about him. Get Wisdom,get understanding: forget it not. neither decline from the words of my mouth. Wisdom is the priciple thing. Therfore get wisdom and with all they getting get understanding. Proverbs 4:6 and 8.
And this is why we desire this wisdom.
Verse 18.. So that "The eyes of your understanding will be enlightened. And this so we may know what is the hope of HIS calling and what the riches of the Glory of his inheitance in the saints is. His choosen people have obrtained an inheritance, and this was preordained before the world was even formed, accoring to his purpose. see verse 11. And what is his purpose.....That we should holy and blameles and give all the praise of his Glory to him. See verse 4. We are sealed with this promise....see verse 13. And the promise is That we were choosen, before the world was formed to be sealed to Give all the praise, honor and Glory to him. We have an inhertiance given us by him.
Verse 19........ Once you hear his word in this life, you realize the Exceeding greatness of his power to us who believe, and this according to the working of his mighty power. Not us. He has power over life and death. He alone has this power. He chooses who he wants to give life to (before the world was made) and does so when he wills and how can any mere man by his will resist the will of such a great and powerfull God. God is the potter and we are the clay ........Romans 8:20 Those who claim these choices was theirs make God a lair. It is HIS wonderfull, mighty power and purpose to have a people for himself.
Verse 20............All this was done in Christ, when he God( the father) raised him (CHRIST) from the dead, and set Him( CHRIST) at his own right hand in heavenaly places. Jesus Christ rules right now over his creation, on the right hand of God the father. We were not there. at Calvery...............Such simple, powerfull truths
revealed to his people thru his spirit for his purpose, his good pleasure and his perfect will. And his will is that all who he choose would give all the honor, praise and glory to him. and his name..........The name above all names ,JESUS CHRIST the LORD.
Make mention in your prayers......"that the God of our LORD Jesus Christ, the father of Glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revalation in the knowldge of him: God the father is the God of Glory. Pray that he may give you his spirit of wisdom and Revelation and this in the knowldge of him
Such refreshing Words. WE should desire wisdom and revelation and knowdgle about him. Get Wisdom,get understanding: forget it not. neither decline from the words of my mouth. Wisdom is the priciple thing. Therfore get wisdom and with all they getting get understanding. Proverbs 4:6 and 8.
And this is why we desire this wisdom.
Verse 18.. So that "The eyes of your understanding will be enlightened. And this so we may know what is the hope of HIS calling and what the riches of the Glory of his inheitance in the saints is. His choosen people have obrtained an inheritance, and this was preordained before the world was even formed, accoring to his purpose. see verse 11. And what is his purpose.....That we should holy and blameles and give all the praise of his Glory to him. See verse 4. We are sealed with this promise....see verse 13. And the promise is That we were choosen, before the world was formed to be sealed to Give all the praise, honor and Glory to him. We have an inhertiance given us by him.
Verse 19........ Once you hear his word in this life, you realize the Exceeding greatness of his power to us who believe, and this according to the working of his mighty power. Not us. He has power over life and death. He alone has this power. He chooses who he wants to give life to (before the world was made) and does so when he wills and how can any mere man by his will resist the will of such a great and powerfull God. God is the potter and we are the clay ........Romans 8:20 Those who claim these choices was theirs make God a lair. It is HIS wonderfull, mighty power and purpose to have a people for himself.
Verse 20............All this was done in Christ, when he God( the father) raised him (CHRIST) from the dead, and set Him( CHRIST) at his own right hand in heavenaly places. Jesus Christ rules right now over his creation, on the right hand of God the father. We were not there. at Calvery...............Such simple, powerfull truths
revealed to his people thru his spirit for his purpose, his good pleasure and his perfect will. And his will is that all who he choose would give all the honor, praise and glory to him. and his name..........The name above all names ,JESUS CHRIST the LORD.
josefnospam
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EPHESIANS CHAPTER 1 VERSE 21,22 and 23 with a short summary of Chapter one.
Christ is so "Far above ALL principality, and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come."
What a wonderfull description on our Lord. He is above ALL things and his name is above all names. His power is Above ALL
powers and he rules this world and the next.
Verse 22............And has put ALL things under his feet, and gave him to be head over ALL things to the Church. Christ is the head of the Church, his Church, and builds it exactly as he wills adding lively stones(people) ...(1 Peter 2:5) he chooses to add as he pleases..
Verse 23...........Which is his body, the fullness of him that filleth all in all.
What a Great chapter. We see that Christ choose a people to build his church, choose them before he made the world, came and justified them, redeemed them, and sealed them by his spirit, and paid the price in blood, so that all he adds to his church will be holy and blameless, AND they will give him ALL the honor, and praise for what he alone did. ALL things are under his feet and we better Give him all the praise, Honor and Glory due his Most wonderfull name.
Now this study is not an in depth study. Mostly just quoting Scriptures and letting them speak to us. I know many people do have a diffuclt time, accepting these wonderfull God Glorifing truths, especially about predestination. Just read the scriptures carefully and see what they say.
I admitt, that I don't entirely grasp how or in what form we were in, before he made the world but he said it and I believe him. That's faith I guess and I thank him for HIS faith he gives to His people to believe HIS word.
We worhip THE God of God's, KING of KINGS, Lord of Lord's and Allmighty God. His name is JESUS CHRIST the LORD
Christ is so "Far above ALL principality, and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come."
What a wonderfull description on our Lord. He is above ALL things and his name is above all names. His power is Above ALL
powers and he rules this world and the next.
Verse 22............And has put ALL things under his feet, and gave him to be head over ALL things to the Church. Christ is the head of the Church, his Church, and builds it exactly as he wills adding lively stones(people) ...(1 Peter 2:5) he chooses to add as he pleases..
Verse 23...........Which is his body, the fullness of him that filleth all in all.
What a Great chapter. We see that Christ choose a people to build his church, choose them before he made the world, came and justified them, redeemed them, and sealed them by his spirit, and paid the price in blood, so that all he adds to his church will be holy and blameless, AND they will give him ALL the honor, and praise for what he alone did. ALL things are under his feet and we better Give him all the praise, Honor and Glory due his Most wonderfull name.
Now this study is not an in depth study. Mostly just quoting Scriptures and letting them speak to us. I know many people do have a diffuclt time, accepting these wonderfull God Glorifing truths, especially about predestination. Just read the scriptures carefully and see what they say.
I admitt, that I don't entirely grasp how or in what form we were in, before he made the world but he said it and I believe him. That's faith I guess and I thank him for HIS faith he gives to His people to believe HIS word.
We worhip THE God of God's, KING of KINGS, Lord of Lord's and Allmighty God. His name is JESUS CHRIST the LORD
Deborah13
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Ephesians 1:17-20 KJV
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
I think in this verse that what God wants is not always done, at least not when He would. Sometimes when man "would not" God did not force but is long-suffering. What a loving Lord we have.
Matthew 23:37
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Luke 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, just as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not have it!
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
I think in this verse that what God wants is not always done, at least not when He would. Sometimes when man "would not" God did not force but is long-suffering. What a loving Lord we have.
Matthew 23:37
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Luke 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, just as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not have it!