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Eunuch

What is an Eunuch?

In Mathew 19:5 Jesus said ""And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh"

A marriage is between a man and a women. Jesus said any man that puts away his wife save for the cause of fornication has committed adultery. And whosoever marries her commits adultery. Mathew 19:9

But Jesus said its not for everyone to marry. He listed these as Eunuchs.

According to Jesus there are three types of Eunuchs (mathew 19:12)

1.Those born eunuch from the womb
2.those made eunuch by men
3.those who make themselves eunuch for the sake of the faith

What then is an Eunuch exactly?
Websters dictionary -
1
: a castrated man placed in charge of a harem or employed as a chamberlain in a palace
2
: a man or boy deprived of the testes or external genitals
3
: one that lacks virility or power <political eunuchs>

I believe that Paul was a type 3 eunuch, a celibate man. A celibate woman (nun) would also be a type 3 eunuch.

1 Corinthians 7:7-9
""7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn""

Paul said it was better to be as himself. Unmarried, but if one can't do that, then marry, because being married is better than to burn, go to hell. Almost like saying being married will keep one out of trouble (sin)

What then of type 1 Eunuch's? An autistic or schizophrenic would be a type 1 Eunuch. Because they were born that way from the womb. Their physical temples are defective from the womb. They do not desire the things that others desire. Nor do they learn the same as the majority. They are mentally disabled and require parental supervision. They have genuine cognitive impairments. A schizophrenic only accounts for .5 to 1 percent of the entire population.

The old testament portrays Eunuchs as those that take care of a harem of women, therefore a man without sexual desire and lust would be desired to be around such large quantities of women.

Scripture does not say that Paul castrated himself in order to be celibate. Following Jesus is a voluntarily humility, not a law. This can be compared to many countries that practice FGM on females in order to force them into non promiscuous activity by removing their sexual desire by FGM. But Jesus explained how you can do the same thing by simply practicing thought control. Don't look on women with lust. Don't think harmful thoughts of your brother.



What then of a type 2 Eunuch? This would be a post op transexual, castrated by men, and forced to take female hormones for life.

The difference is, the post op transexual was given a choice, they were not born that way. They chose to make themselves (or should I say try) to make themselves into the other sex. This is going against the choice God made for them. The schizophrenic comes out of the womb different. Perceives life and reality different.

A transexual is an effeminate man. What does the bible say about the effeminate? 1 corinthians 6:9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,"

I don't see this so much as a command but as a truth. There are many out there that use this verse in a very condemning old testament militant way. The truth is that Satan will not enter in the gates of heaven. Effeminate is satanic energy and perversion. Homosexuals, Lesbians, Transexuals, have their ideals perverted by the devil. Any spirit filled, born again christian, will not have this same perversion in them. Thus they will have a non perverted heart.

There are many such as Westboro that use the old testament to condemn homosexuals, lesbians, and transexuals. (Leviticus 20:19, Deuteronomy 22:5,)

But can a homosexual, lesbian, or transexual, be saved by Jesus Christ?

One can do a simple youtube search and find many testimonials of homosexuals, lesbians, and transexuals who were saved by Jesus, and they turned from their ways. Jesus gave them a new heart. A non perverted heart. The holy spirit tells you these three things are wrong. But one without the spirit, is still thinking and judging carnally. They do not see that they are doing anything wrong. There are many that call themselves christians that are homosexual, and show no interest in turning from their lifestyle. Are they really saved?

But one must be very careful here...

There are many out there attacked by groups like westboro, who use "eunuch" like a trump card and as a means to vindicate their sexually immoral lifestyle.

Are they really born Eunuchs? And are they really saved?

The percentage of those truly born different are much smaller than people imagine. A schizophrenic has a hard enough time just floating through life, not a stable school or work history. This is unlike the homosexuals, lesbians, and transexuals, who live fairly productive lives, and often form up into groups of support. The schizophrenic does not care what others think, they are into their own world, battling their own private hell day in and day out. If they truly cared about the things of others, they would be out in the world working seeking everything everyone else does. Thus they would not be in such a low minority.


My final question(s) or thoughts on an Eunuch is this, if a 10 year old mentally retarded child steps outside one morning and is hit by a truck, and killed. Where does he go? Purgatory? Thats not in the bible is it? He can't go to heaven can he because he never knew Christ? Is he then judged based upon his works or situation? Will a mentally retarded child be sent to the lake of fire?
 
Your opening post touches on multiple topics. Perhaps it would be better to break them into separate threads.
 
This is true, there may be too much in this thread. You have any suggestions?
I agree with WIP, the topic beginning this string is marriage and will cause a good deal of replies to center on that subject. But to the point, a Eunuch does not have some, major, part or parts of their manhood. By your misuse of the word all Catholic Priests are eunuchs but history has proven that not to be the case. Celebacy is, imho the most visible and possibly the most difficult restraint from sin.
 
This is true, there may be too much in this thread. You have any suggestions?
For starters, I'm confused about what you want to talk about. You open the thread asking "What is a Eunuch?" Then you continue with the topic about the definition of marriage. You end the post on the topic of the salvation of mentally challenged persons. You are bringing these questions to the Apologetic forum which precludes that you have a position you wish to defend but you are asking questions that maybe need to be brought up in the Questions for Christians forum.

What is it you really are after? Just need some clarification.
 
I agree with the others. This is way to many topics on things that are probably going to get controversial. I can see this ending up being 600 posts still with no one knowing what you theological point is.
 
You keep mentioning "Westboro" is that a place?

tob
I pray this one does not go to Westboro because if they do they might very well be protesting and preaching me into Hell at my funeral service. Westboro is Westboro Baptist, the Family church of Ohio and Heresy fame. They condemn all veterans for fighting to defend their families and nation and go livid on instead of witnessing to the homosexual/transvestite/etc. communities.
 
I don't understand where your getting the idea that mentally retarded people are eunuchs?

Because they are born that way. They will more then likely never know marriage. I have saw information elsewhere that led me to believe the type 3 eunuch was the religious celibate. If so, Paul would have been such. He was not born defective, but made himself celibate for the sake of the faith. Which is one of the reasons Jesus listed for not getting married.
 
I agree with the others. This is way to many topics on things that are probably going to get controversial. I can see this ending up being 600 posts still with no one knowing what you theological point is.

My apologies, I understand. I will try to keep things much simpler here out. Thanks Obadiuh for the heads up. I often don't realize I over complicate things.
 
Will do. thanks BSE. I think that will be more productive in the long run.

On second thought, I'm just going to close it to further replies but leave it here where it is for a while to be sure everyone participating in it can know what happened to it and know to look for your new threads to continue participating.
 
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