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Bible Study Even God Feared Hell

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Even God Feared Hell

People today portray hell as one huge everlasting party with Satan. But the bible tells us that Jesus Christ, who is God's son – God become man, feared hell. After Jesus initiated the New Covenant at the 'Last Supper' Jesus went to the Garden of Gethsemane to pray and wait for his arrest that would begin the long and torturous march to the cross.

In the Garden of Gethsemane Jesus said, “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death.” (Matthew 26:36-39 and Mark 14:32-38)

If Jesus Christ, who is God become man, becomes sorrowful 'to the point of death' on the thought of dying on the cross and going to hell then it is a certainty that in hell people will also be in a state of sorrow to the point of death! But since everyone in hell has already experienced death the thought of death will bring no comfort to anyone whatsoever! Hell will be a place where people will desire death again, but it will never come.

If God, in the person of Jesus Christ, wept bitterly knowing what awaits him upon his death on the cross then it is a surety that there will be no party in hell with Satan. God's son Jesus Christ experienced hell upon his death, and yet, while he was resurrected out of hell, it is a certainty that he WILL NOT return! Jesus Christ's sojourn into hell was only a visit (hint: 3 days) but all those who die in sin without accepting the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ will be in hell PERMANENTLY!

If Jesus Christ wept bitterly at the thought of entering hell upon his death then it is a certainty that he'll never return. Those who find themselves in hell upon their death WILL NOT have any hope that God will return for another visit!

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Jesus Christ's Obedience to God his Father

Another point worth mentioning is that when Jesus Christ was with God in heaven, before he became man, he already knew what hell was like and yet he still obeyed his Father's request to become a man so as to redeem God's fallen creation!

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Jesus Christ's Utterance on the Cross

Equally interesting is that when Jesus Christ became sin for us on the cross, and God the Father cut himself off from his son, Jesus still called out to God his Father (hint: Jesus Christ trusted God his Father as being omnipotent and that his Father could still hear him). Jesus then gave his spirit to God the Father just before he died. Jesus could not have called out to God the Father if Jesus were sin of his own fault!

If Jesus Christ had sinned by his own disobedience then he would not call out to God the Father. For Adam and Eve, upon their sin of eating of the forbidden fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, did not seek out God or called out to him when God came looking for them in the Garden of Eden, for they were hiding.

Jesus Christ called out to his Father on the cross after he was made sin for us, for all of our sins were placed upon Jesus Christ without Jesus sinning himself. If Jesus had sinned by his own hand then he could not have called out to his Father at all. He'd be like Adam and Eve hiding from God!

And so everyone who seeks salvation MUST also call out to Jesus Christ. Just like the thief being crucified next to Jesus asking Jesus to be in heaven with him. It is clear that those individuals who do not call out to the true God of Israel for their salvation (hint: Jesus Christ) - are damned to an eternity in hell and they will hide from God as did Adam and Eve!

It is interesting that God called out to Adam and Eve after their sin so it is a fact that to save anyone we must first be like God (hint: sinless) in order to reach all the lost in sin. Once a person believes in Jesus Christ they receive the Holy Spirit by baptism and they now have God's own sinless spirit dwelling in them and they can now reach out and talk to all the sinful as if God were calling out to Adam and Eve himself! A person will never, and can never, save themselves (hint: the Mosaic Law) unless God (hint: a Christian with God's indwelling Holy Spirit) calls out to them first!

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Jesus Christ's Nakedness on the Cross

While Jesus hung on the cross he became naked, for the Roman guards cast lots for his garments (John 19: 23-24). This was a sin. For Jesus Christ became sin for us on the cross and yet nobody covered up his naked body as God covered up Adam and Eve after their sin in the Garden of Eden. This exact same event occurred right after the Great Flood as Noah's son Ham laughed at his own father as he lay naked in a tent (Genesis 9:22-23).

Noah's son did not cover up his father but went out in merriment to tell others of his father's nakedness.....for which Noah's son was cursed. Because Jesus Christ died naked on the cross, after becoming sin for us, the Roman Empire and the Jewish Nation were utterly destroyed and everyone was scattered throughout the world just like Noah's son, Ham.

Today those who scoff and laugh at Jesus Christ are just like Noah's cursed son Ham, who laughed at his own father's nakedness even after his father saved him from the Great Flood! This is a warning to everyone that those who laugh at Jesus Christ do so at their own peril!

Believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and save yourself from the utter horror of hell which is a place described, and confirmed, by Jesus Christ – who is God become man – in the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16: 19-31).

God Bless
 
ugmug said:
People today portray hell as one huge everlasting party with Satan.
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Boy! Those are some pretty stupid people! I'm glad that I've never met one of them.
ugmug said:
But the bible tells us that Jesus Christ, who is God's son – God become man, feared hell.
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No, it does not. It tells us that Jesus dreaded the ordeal of scourging and crucifixion that He was about to go through as any man would.
Jesus was born for one specific purpose, to die for the sins of mankind and to rise again from the grave to defeat the power of death. Jesus knew that and willingly returned to Jerusalem knowing exactly what was going to happen to Him.

He had no fear of Hell. He knew that He was going to destroy the power of Hell.

Jhn 12:27-23 (RSV) "Now is my soul troubled. And what shall I say? 'Father, save me from this hour'? No, for this purpose I have come to this hour. Father, glorify thy name."
Then a voice came from heaven, "I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again."
The crowd standing by heard it and said that it had thundered. Others said, "An angel has spoken to him."
Jesus answered, "This voice has come for your sake, not for mine. Now is the judgment of this world, now shall the ruler of this world be cast out; and I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself."
He said this to show by what death he was to die.

It seems to me that He dreaded the horrific ordeal that He was soon to endure.
 
Jesus did not become sin for us, He was the final sacrifice for our sin that through His life, death and resurrection we can reconcile our self back to God by His grace. Hell now has no power over us who are in Christ just as Christ in whom was sinless had no fear of hell because he was of the Father as there is no fear of hell for us as we are of Christ made righteous by that of Gods righteousness.

1Cor 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
1Cor 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
1Cor 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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Jesus did not become sin for us,
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Yeah, he did. (Though I have not grasped exactly what "made him to be sin" means.)
2Co 5:21 (RSV) For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
He was the final sacrifice for our sin that through His life, death and resurrection we can reconcile our self back to God by His grace.
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We don't reconcile ourselves; Jesus reconciled us.
Rom 5:10 (RSV) For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.
2Co 5:18(RSV) All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself
God did the reconciling; we don't do it.
We have been reconciled if we stick with it.
Col 1:21-23(RSV) And you, who once were estranged and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and irreproachable before him, provided that you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which has been preached to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.

iakov the fool
 
Jim Parker said:
Yeah, he did. (Though I have not grasped exactly what "made him to be sin" means.)
2Co 5:21 (RSV) For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

We don't reconcile ourselves; Jesus reconciled us.
Rom 5:10 (RSV) For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.

iakov the fool
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This is how I understand "made him to be sin".

Jesus was made sin for us means Jesus was made a curse for us under the new covenant,(grace) much like the curse of the law of the old covenant (works). It's by faith and not by the deeds of the law that we are justified and made righteous through that of Gods righteousness and not our own. Jesus was made in the likeness of sinful flesh that we are now dead to the flesh as we walk in the newness of life as we have also risen with Christ and seek those things from above. God laid on Jesus all the sins of the world that Jesus remained sinless. Other words He who knew no sin had to have knowledge of sin in order to refrain from it. We are reconciled back to Gods grace that is Christ Jesus who is our mediator before God as we confess our sin before Him needing Gods grace to forgive us.

Isaiah 53:6,9; John 3:3-6; Romans 3:20;28; 8:3,4; Galatians 3:13; Colossians 3:1-3.
 
Malachi said:
Since Scripture says that Christ was MADE SIN for us (2 Cor 5:21), you have contradicted the Word. While this may not be an easy concept to grasp, no one should deny what the Bible affirms.
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I clarified this in post #6
 
for_his_glory said:
This is how I understand "made him to be sin".

Jesus was made sin for us means Jesus was made a curse for us under the new covenant,(grace) much like the curse of the law of the old covenant (works). It's by faith and not by the deeds of the law that we are justified and made righteous through that of Gods righteousness and not our own. Jesus was made in the likeness of sinful flesh that we are now dead to the flesh as we walk in the newness of life as we have also risen with Christ and seek those things from above. God laid on Jesus all the sins of the world that Jesus remained sinless. Other words He who knew no sin had to have knowledge of sin in order to refrain from it. We are reconciled back to Gods grace that is Christ Jesus who is our mediator before God as we confess our sin before Him needing Gods grace to forgive us.

Isaiah 53:6,9; John 3:3-6; Romans 3:20;28; 8:3,4; Galatians 3:13; Colossians 3:1-3.
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Thanks for sharing that. It's about what I thought.
 
Jhn 10:17 - Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Jhn 10:18 - No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Rev 1:18 - I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Rev 20:14 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
 
Num 21:4 ¶ And they journeyed from mount Hor by the way of the Red sea, to compass the land of Edom: and the soul of the people was much discouraged because of the way.
Num 21:5 - And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread.
Num 21:6 - And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Num 21:7 ¶ Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.
Num 21:8 - And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
Num 21:9 - And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
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Jesus was crucified in the same manner as murderous rebellious revolutionaries such as Barabbas.

Mar 15:7 - And there was one named Barabbas, which lay bound with them that had made insurrection with him, who had committed murder in the insurrection.​

In this way Jesus was made sin, although He was sinless. Even though His crucifixion was as that of one who is cursed, by His stripes we are healed.

Deu 21:22 ¶ And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:
Deu 21:23 - His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

Gal 3:13 - Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 3:14 - That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Isa 53:4 ¶ Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 - But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:6 - All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

1Pe 2:24 - Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

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Even God Feared Hell
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This statement is not accurate, and does not reflect how God views Hell (the Lake of Fire) or how Christ shrank from the sufferings on the Cross.

1. Since God Himself created Hell for the devil and his angels, it is impossible for God to fear Hell.
2. When Christ suffered on the Cross, He endured all the agonies of Hell, but He did not enter the Lake of Fire. Indeed no one has entered the Lake of Fire.
3. When we read in Scripture "thou wilt not leave my soul in hell" that should really be "thou wilt not leave my soul in Hades". That is very true, since Christ was in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights, but then rose from the dead and took all the captive saints with Him to Heaven.
4. It is true that the humanity of Christ caused Him to pray for the removal of the bitter cup of suffering, humiliation, and death, but in the end He prevailed over that reluctance to be made sin for us.
 
Malachi said:
This statement is not accurate, and does not reflect how God views Hell (the Lake of Fire) or how Christ shrank from the sufferings on the Cross.

1. Since God Himself created Hell for the devil and his angels, it is impossible for God to fear Hell.
2. When Christ suffered on the Cross, He endured all the agonies of Hell, but He did not enter the Lake of Fire. Indeed no one has entered the Lake of Fire.
3. When we read in Scripture "thou wilt not leave my soul in hell" that should really be "thou wilt not leave my soul in Hades". That is very true, since Christ was in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights, but then rose from the dead and took all the captive saints with Him to Heaven.
4. It is true that the humanity of Christ caused Him to pray for the removal of the bitter cup of suffering, humiliation, and death, but in the end He prevailed over that reluctance to be made sin for us.
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AMEN! First of all the terms being used need to be straightened out. Far, far to many understand Hell to be the Eternal Residence of the Lost and the truth is that The Abyss, the Lake of Fire is the Eternal Residence and the Grave, Hell, is the Holding Pen the Lost are found in until the Last Resurrection, the Resurrection unto the Great White Throne Judgment just as the Saints before Jesus was hung on the cross waited His arrival in Hell for their release to go to Heaven. (Luke 16:19-31, Matthew 27:50-53)

Now common sense. Jesus knew He was destined to go to the cross as the Lamb that would pay for the sins of every man before and every man after His Sacrifice. Thus Jesus knew He would go to Hell, the Paradise side and still He went, willingly. Jesus, the Son of God, God Himself, in the flesh of a man, the only man that never had to go there, went of His own free will.
 
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