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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
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Every spiritual blessing
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Grace, getting what we don't deserve, mercy, not getting what we do deserve.
Salvation, the indwelling Holy Spirit.
JohnDB
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First and foremost...
The heart of flesh instead of stone which includes a deposit of the Holy Spirit.
from vs 4-12 of Ephesians 1 explains what they are
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
chessman
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No thinking required. Just read the rest of the sentence (a very long sentence because it's a long list of blessings):
Ephesians 1:3-14 Blessed is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him in love, having predestined us to adoption through Jesus Christ to himself according to the good pleasure of his will, to the praise of the glory of his grace that he bestowed on us in the beloved, in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace, that he caused to abound to us in all wisdom and insight, making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure that he purposed in him, for the administration of the fullness of times, to bring together all things in Christ, the things in the heavens and the things on the earth, in him in whom also we were chosen, having been predestined according to the purpose of the One who works all things according to the counsel of his will, that we who hoped beforehand in Christ should be for the praise of his glory, in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the down payment of our inheritance, until the redemption of the possession, to the praise of his glory.
We are blessed to be:
1. chosen in Him
2. holy
3. blameless
4. adopted
5. bestowed with His grace
6. redeemed
7. forgiven of sins
8. knowing the mystery of His will
9. sealed with the promised Holy Spirit
billybalke
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But, how do we get INTO Christ wherein are ALL spiritual blessings??
To be deep in scripture is to cease being Catholic, Protestant and Jew
chessman
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It's either click your heels three times or be Baptized into Christ by the Grace of God given to us by the Holy Spirit, I forget. It's been so long.
John 3:6-8 The thing having been born of the flesh is flesh, and the thing having been born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You all must be born again’— the wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know from where it comes, and where it is going. So is everyone having been born of the Spirit”.
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death.
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old things have passed away; behold, new things have come.
Galatians 3:23-26 But before faith came, we were detained under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith was revealed. So then, the law became our guardian until Christ, in order that we could be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus,
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old things have passed away; behold, new things have come.
Galatians 3:23-26 But before faith came, we were detained under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith was revealed. So then, the law became our guardian until Christ, in order that we could be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus,
billybalke
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The answer is found in Ephesians 1:13 - And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
"you also were included IN CHRIST when you believed, you were marked IN HIM with a seal"
Amen that!!
billybalke
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I don't know what version you used but it reads "you also were included in Christ--". But it does not say how they got INTO Christ. That version also reads: "When you believed---". Believe is a general word. James 2:19 reads "the devils also believe and tremble".
This is what I posted:
"The answer is found in Ephesians 1:13 - And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,"
The answer is plain. "marked in Him with a seal, the Holy Spirit". That's HOW we are in union with Christ. By the Holy Spirit.
Not sure what your point is.
The word 'believe' isn't a "general word". It's specific. It's about trusting, accepting a statement, etc.
And I don't understand how James 2:19 has any relevance. Why do the devils believe that "God is One"? Because He created each of them and they lived in His presence until they were kicked out of heaven through rebellion. That's how they know. And one does believe what he knows.
If you know something to be true, you believe it.
As per the TOS, cite the version of the Bible you use, in his case, the NIV.
That's my default version as well.
billybalke
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You wrote: "The word 'believe' isn't a "general word" Please answer, does the word "believe" include such things as repentance? If so its a general word. Please answer, is repentance included or not?
Lets return to James 2:19. The devils believe. This is a clear case of the word "believe" being used in a general sense. The devils "believe" God is One. Do you believe that? If so James says you "do well". The devils believe that yet they ARE NOT SAVED! Yet one MUST believe God is One to be saved.
Mark 3:11 reads: "And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before Him, and cried, saying, THOU ARE THE SON OF GOD". Must one believe Jesus to be the Son of God?? You bet your boots you do. The devils do and yet THEY ARE NOT SAVED!!
Matthew 8:29: "And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?" If I'm not mistaken you believe one is saved the moment one believes. Demons believe Jesus is the Son of God! Are they saved??? To ask that question is to answer the question. BELIEVE IS A GENERAL WORD.
TO BE DEEP IN SCRIPTURE IS TO CEASE BEING CATHOLIC, PROTESTANT AND JEW
ROM.16:16
Billy, God bless
dirtfarmer
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hello billybalke, dirtfarmer here
Demons don't believe that JESUS is the Son of God, they know for sure, because they have been confronted by him and ask if he had come to torment them before their time. James says that the devil believes that there is only one God. Jesus was not made like unto demons but like unto man to bring salvation to man . He never came to bring salvation to the demons. Salvation is for man and man only. The creation will be restored when the time of restitution of all things come.
billybalke
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"Demons don't believe that JESUS is the Son of God--??? Go back and read Jas.2:19, Matt. 8:29 and Mk.3:11.
No, it is not included in 'believe'. To believe is to accept as true. To repent is to change the mind.
Oh, no. I disagree. What is it that they believe? That "God is One". James 2:19 - You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
The subject of what is believed in 2:19 is about monotheism, or "God is One", a particularly Jewish thought.
Now, why do the devils believe that? From faith? No, from experience.
For example, a young child is warned about never touching a hot stove. If they believe what they are told and never touch a hot stove, then they believe from faith. But one who HAS touched a hot stove believes from experience, not faith.
See the difference?
But monotheism is NOT saving faith. As proven by the Pharisees vs Jesus. They all believed that God is One, but they weren't saved. They all thought they were saved by keeping the Law. A works salvation.
Why did the demons make their claim? From faith, as we do? No, from experience.
I'm sure it's common knowledge that all demons/devils were angels before they rebelled. They all were created and lived with God, until the rebellion of Lucifer. So what they all believe was from experience, not faith.
Let's not confuse or conflate the 2.
No, it's not. Any more than "believe the stove is hot" is a "general word".
It always depends on the subject of what is believed. And whether the belief is from faith or experience.
dirtfarmer
Member
hello billybalke, dirtfarmer here
If it is cloudy out side, you can have faith that it is going to rain, but if it pouring outside there is no faith needed to know that the water that is falling from the sky is rain. We know from experience that the water falling from the sky is rain and if you go outside, you will get wet.
If you re-read Matthew 8:29 & Mark 3:11 without any preconception, you, too, will see and believe that the demons know full well who Jesus is.
Excellent explanations Brother.
Some very good insight dirtfarmer. The demons and fallen angels have obviously had their chance at salvation........Hence they are FALLEN. Christ came as a man to save man.........their mediator.