[_ Old Earth _] Evolution cannot explain the information in life

[Heidi]

Again, Quath, when have human beings ever produced offspring that are as different from humans as humans are from apes? :o

 

[Quath]

Again, Quath, when have human beings ever produced offspring that are as different from humans as humans are from apes? :o

It is one step at a time, not a huge leap with an offspring (except in rare cases).

Quath

 

[Heidi]

Again, Quath, when have human beings ever produced offspring that are as different from humans as humans are from apes? :o

It is one step at a time, not a huge leap with an offspring (except in rare cases).

Quath

In other words, humans have never produced offspring that are as different from humans as humans are from apes. Therefore, there is no evidence that species evolve into a different superior species. It's just a hypothetical with no basis in fact, only "what if's".

But there is a myriad of evidence that we hve a miraculous creator who designed billions of neurons that all have to work together in a certain way for a human being to even function. Even the elements of one cell, the design of which, scientists are still trying to understand and predict because they know there is an underlying order to it, shows that there is an underlying design or scientists wouldn't try to figure out what that design is! So they use the very design they say doesn't exist in order to invent medicines and technology. This is a huge contradiction in their assertion that there is no design but only random chaos. ;-)

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

Again, Quath, when have human beings ever produced offspring that are as different from humans as humans are from apes? :o

It is one step at a time, not a huge leap with an offspring (except in rare cases).

Quath

In other words, humans have never produced offspring that are as different from humans as humans are from apes. Therefore, there is no evidence that species evolve into a different superior species. It's just a hypothetical with no basis in fact, only "what if's".

Ah the cartoon theory of evolution again, you creation proponents are so fond of it aren't you. The actual ToE doesn't say that speciation occurs when an animal produces an offspring of a different species. It says that given time a population that has less than regular genetic contact with the rest of its species will mutate and diverge genetically from its species. After enough divergence, there is no way that genetic communication could ever occur again. It's like water forming droplets on a horizontal edge of some kind, the gutters on your roof for example, a drop becomes more and more separated and then falls and can never return to the roof. Though I make the caveat that this is simile, not analogy.

 

[Heidi]

Again, Quath, when have human beings ever produced offspring that are as different from humans as humans are from apes? :o

It is one step at a time, not a huge leap with an offspring (except in rare cases).

Quath

In other words, humans have never produced offspring that are as different from humans as humans are from apes. Therefore, there is no evidence that species evolve into a different superior species. It's just a hypothetical with no basis in fact, only "what if's".

Ah the cartoon theory of evolution again, you creation proponents are so fond of it aren't you. The actual ToE doesn't say that speciation occurs when an animal produces an offspring of a different species. It says that given time a population that has less than regular genetic contact with the rest of its species will mutate and diverge genetically from its species. After enough divergence, there is no way that genetic communication could ever occur again. It's like water forming droplets on a horizontal edge of some kind, the gutters on your roof for example, a drop becomes more and more separated and then falls and can never return to the roof. Though I make the caveat that this is simile, not analogy.

And since this mutation as never happened to humans in recorded history, then how much time is needed before this will happen? :o That's like me saying that my descendants will turn into goats someday because i say so. Where is the proof?

 

[Quath]

And since this mutation as never happened to humans in recorded history, then how much time is needed before this will happen? :o That's like me saying that my descendants will turn into goats someday because i say so. Where is the proof?

Look at fossils for proof. There are enough fossils to show the human primate transition.

Quath

 

[Heidi]

Fossils? You mean rocks that men find and develop stories behind them. Is that correct? There are as many stories that can be invented from rocks as there are people who find them, my friend. ;-)

 

[Quath]

Fossils? You mean rocks that men find and develop stories behind them. Is that correct? There are as many stories that can be invented from rocks as there are people who find them, my friend. ;-)

I mean bones. It seems that you want to discount the evidence without making an attempt to understand it.

Quath

 

[Heidi]

Sorry, but I too used to be foolish enough to believe evolution and everything scientists say. But having lived long enough to hear them change their minds about almost every theory they have postulated makes their theories not credible. Remember, you are dealing with imperfect, fallible minds & scientists themselves even disagree with each other! All one needs is common sense and a good contact with reality to discern between truth & fiction. The truth is as plain as day in the miraculous environment in which we live and the billions of cells that have to work in a certain way for the human body to even function. Saying this was all a mutation is not only contempt for the human race, but missing most of the puzzle that evolution fails to explain.

 

[Barbarian]

Time to shake the dust from your sandals, Quath. There are none so blind as they who will not see.

 

[Quath]

Sorry, but I too used to be foolish enough to believe evolution and everything scientists say. But having lived long enough to hear them change their minds about almost every theory they have postulated makes their theories not credible. Remember, you are dealing with imperfect, fallible minds & scientists themselves even disagree with each other! All one needs is common sense and a good contact with reality to discern between truth & fiction.

The places they have disagreed are minor. It is like arguing over whether the universe is 14 billion years old or 12 billion. As measurements come in, the answer is refined.

In evolution, the debates are on how often does mitocondrial DNA mutate and hows does it influence evolution, not whether evolution occurs.

You don't want evolution to be correct, so you are making up problems that do not exist. You can justify any belief like that.

Time to shake the dust from your sandals, Quath. There are none so blind as they who will not see.

True. I guess I keep hoping that as long as pretend we are rational, that some rationality has to slip through.

Quath

 

[ThinkerMan]

True. I guess I keep hoping that as long as pretend we are rational, that some rationality has to slip through.

Truer words were never spoken.

I guess that the whole reason why we masocistically submit ourselves to this.

:D