[_ Old Earth _] Evolving into a superior species

[Jayls5]

Sorry but since you haven't explained why humans don't breed zebras, then all you've demonstrated is a complete lack of understanding of reproduction and biology. So once again, your comment is false. So try again...this time you can start with even one true statement. ;-)

Shut the **** up already. I'm sick of this horse****.


EVOLUTION DOES NOT SAY HUMANS BREED ZEBRAS OR APES SHOOT OUT HUMANS. IT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS, NOW SHUT THE **** UP. I am SO SICK OF TELLING YOU THIS AND YOU COMPLETELY IGNORING IT.

This forum can go ahead and ban me for this, but at least I wouldn't have to hear your moronic comments once more.

 

[John]

What heidi is doing is, presenting to you what you believe as if you were a 4 year old, while i have seen better tactics, i do agree with her on this, but instead of zebras its apes to humans, maybe not the whole 1 generation thing, but over time is still equally foolish. i am currently composing threads exposing why and how fragile the transition from apes to humans is.

 

[Jayls5]

What heidi is doing is, presenting to you what you believe as if you were a 4 year old, while i have seen better tactics, i do agree with her on this, but instead of zebras its apes to humans, maybe not the whole 1 generation thing, but over time is still equally foolish. i am currently composing threads exposing why and how fragile the transition from apes to humans is.

Her tactics have been addressed and refuted, yet we have to hear them over and over.

Your opinion is fine, and if you want to go ahead and support it, we can have a debate like adults - unlike Heidi.

 

[Dunzo]

Sorry but since you haven't explained why humans don't breed zebras, then all you've demonstrated is a complete lack of understanding of reproduction and biology. So once again, your comment is false. So try again...this time you can start with even one true statement. ;-)

Shut the **** up already. I'm sick of this horse****.


EVOLUTION DOES NOT SAY HUMANS BREED ZEBRAS OR APES SHOOT OUT HUMANS. IT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS, NOW SHUT THE **** UP. I am SO SICK OF TELLING YOU THIS AND YOU COMPLETELY IGNORING IT.

This forum can go ahead and ban me for this, but at least I wouldn't have to hear your moronic comments once more.

I think I love you.

 

[Heidi]

Sorry but since you haven't explained why humans don't breed zebras, then all you've demonstrated is a complete lack of understanding of reproduction and biology. So once again, your comment is false. So try again...this time you can start with even one true statement. ;-)

Shut the **** up already. I'm sick of this horse****.


EVOLUTION DOES NOT SAY HUMANS BREED ZEBRAS OR APES SHOOT OUT HUMANS. IT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS, NOW SHUT THE **** UP. I am SO SICK OF TELLING YOU THIS AND YOU COMPLETELY IGNORING IT.

This forum can go ahead and ban me for this, but at least I wouldn't have to hear your moronic comments once more.

Evolution claims an animal can breed human descendants, does it not? If not, then you've just denied your whole theory. So all you have to do is know why humans and animals can't breed each other as descendants, and you'll know why evolution is claptrap. So either you don't know why, or your answer will contradict your whole theory. ;-) Whichever it is, your evasion proves you know that evolution is claptrap. So it's you who's making false and contradictory statements, friend. So I can see why you're frustrated to the point of swearing. ;-)

 

[John]

Evolution does not claim that in one generation that an ape would produce a human, it states that over millions of years an ape through random unguided processes and mutations changed into humans, i agree that is 100% impossible and people should not dwell on the unproven.

 

[Heidi]

Evolution does not claim that in one generation that an ape would produce a human, it states that over millions of years an ape through random unguided processes and mutations changed into humans, i agree that is 100% impossible and people should not dwell on the unproven.

Absolutely. That's why i use the term human descendants. A descendant is not just a first generation offspring. It also includes centuries of generations of offspring.

 

[Dunzo]

Evolution claims an animal can breed human descendants, does it not? If not, then you've just denied your whole theory. So all you have to do is know why humans and animals can't breed each other as descendants, and you'll know why evolution is claptrap. So either you don't know why, or your answer will contradict your whole theory. ;-) Whichever it is, your evasion proves you know that evolution is claptrap. So it's you who's making false and contradictory statements, friend. So I can see why you're frustrated to the point of swearing. ;-)

OK, why can't animals evolve into humans? Let me guess, because it "doesn't happen in reality"?
I find it hilarious that the scarecrow (made of straw) in the Wizard of Oz didn't have a brain. So telling!

 

[Heidi]

Evolution claims an animal can breed human descendants, does it not? If not, then you've just denied your whole theory. So all you have to do is know why humans and animals can't breed each other as descendants, and you'll know why evolution is claptrap. So either you don't know why, or your answer will contradict your whole theory. ;-) Whichever it is, your evasion proves you know that evolution is claptrap. So it's you who's making false and contradictory statements, friend. So I can see why you're frustrated to the point of swearing. ;-)

OK, why can't animals evolve into humans? Let me guess, because it "doesn't happen in reality"?
I find it hilarious that the scarecrow (made of straw) in the Wizard of Oz didn't have a brain. So telling!

In other words, your beliefs are based on things that don't happen in reality and can't be documented historically. I think that pretty much sums your beliefs up. That means that they have nothing to do with reality or history and are thus imaginary. My beliefs are based on what does happen in reality and what has been documented historically. So I live in the real world and you live in a fantasy land. No wonder we can't agree!! ;-)

 

[Dunzo]

What relevance does that have to my post whatsoever?

 

[John]

Evolution does not claim that in one generation that an ape would produce a human, it states that over millions of years an ape through random unguided processes and mutations changed into humans, i agree that is 100% impossible and people should not dwell on the unproven.

Absolutely. That's why i use the term human descendants. A descendant is not just a first generation offspring. It also includes centuries of generations of offspring.

Okay, just to clear the mud :wink:

 

[John]

Evolution claims an animal can breed human descendants, does it not? If not, then you've just denied your whole theory. So all you have to do is know why humans and animals can't breed each other as descendants, and you'll know why evolution is claptrap. So either you don't know why, or your answer will contradict your whole theory. ;-) Whichever it is, your evasion proves you know that evolution is claptrap. So it's you who's making false and contradictory statements, friend. So I can see why you're frustrated to the point of swearing. ;-)

OK, why can't animals evolve into humans? Let me guess, because it "doesn't happen in reality"?
I find it hilarious that the scarecrow (made of straw) in the Wizard of Oz didn't have a brain. So telling!

with lacking and controversial evidence i find it very hard to believe we descended from apes.

 

[Heidi]

What relevance does that have to my post whatsoever?

You apparently don't think "it doesn't happen in reality" is a good reason to claim something isn't true. : I pointed out that one has to see what happens in the real world to separate what's real from what's imaginary. But one has to be in touch with reality to understand that. So i don't expect you to understand that yet. ;-)

 

[Heidi]

Evolution claims an animal can breed human descendants, does it not? If not, then you've just denied your whole theory. So all you have to do is know why humans and animals can't breed each other as descendants, and you'll know why evolution is claptrap. So either you don't know why, or your answer will contradict your whole theory. ;-) Whichever it is, your evasion proves you know that evolution is claptrap. So it's you who's making false and contradictory statements, friend. So I can see why you're frustrated to the point of swearing. ;-)

OK, why can't animals evolve into humans? Let me guess, because it "doesn't happen in reality"?
I find it hilarious that the scarecrow (made of straw) in the Wizard of Oz didn't have a brain. So telling!

with lacking and controversial evidence i find it very hard to believe we descended from apes.

It's actually as impossible as it is that humans descended from zebras or any wild beast, real or imaginary. Again, all one has to understand is the birds and the bees to know why. ;-)

 

[Dunzo]

TELL US WHY. ENOUGH OF THIS "WILD BEAST" AND "IN REALITY" NONSENSE. BRING THE GOOD STUFF TO THE TABLE!

 

[Heidi]

TELL US WHY. ENOUGH OF THIS "WILD BEAST" AND "IN REALITY" NONSENSE. BRING THE GOOD STUFF TO THE TABLE!

Again, all you have to explain is why humans don't breed zebras as descendants and you'll know why. So either you don't understand simple genetics, DNA and the reproductive process, or you know those things will prove why apes can't breed human descendants. And that's why you won't give an answer why humans don't breed zebras as descendants. It's so simple that even a ten year old knows why. So since you don't, then you''ll have no clue what animal breeds what. :

 

[John]

Its like this.

Animals 1-5

1 = ape

5 = human

A1+mutation+time= A2
A1 and A2 live together
A2 can't breed with A1
A2 is genetically more capable of surviving
A1 dies off.
A2+Mutation+Time= A3
Ect ect
Yet its supposed to be unguided yet its following what looks to be a preset plan or pattern, which is very strange for randomness.

The problem is that no mutation adds genetic code to future animals, a mutation scrambles existing code, So We Now have this.

A1+Mutation+ Time= A1+Mutation
A1+M+T = A1+M which = A1.1, A1.2 Etc
A1 can breed with A1.1, A1.2 Etc because they are the same Animal.
So we now have variations of the same animal.
the chain never reaches A5 (Human)
And A1(Ape) and A5(Human) are still here together.

God created all animals and humans and we have only seen variations within the same kind.

 

[Heidi]

Its like this.

Animals 1-5

1 = ape

5 = human

A1+mutation+time= A2
A1 and A2 live together
A2 can't breed with A1
A2 is genetically more capable of surviving
A1 dies off.
A2+Mutation+Time= A3
Ect ect
Yet its supposed to be unguided yet its following what looks to be a preset plan or pattern, which is very strange for randomness.

The problem is that no mutation adds genetic code to future animals, a mutation scrambles existing code, So We Now have this.

A1+Mutation+ Time= A1+Mutation
A1+M+T = A1+M which = A1.1, A1.2 Etc
A1 can breed with A1.1, A1.2 Etc because they are the same Animal.
So we now have variations of the same animal.
the chain never reaches A5 (Human)
And A1(Ape) and A5(Human) are still here together.

God created all animals and humans and we have only seen variations within the same kind.

That's right. Mutation acts on what is already present in the cell or gene. It cannot add features out of thin air that are not already present. That's why mutations almost always result in damaged genes, not new and superior ones.

 

[Dunzo]

TELL US WHY. ENOUGH OF THIS "WILD BEAST" AND "IN REALITY" NONSENSE. BRING THE GOOD STUFF TO THE TABLE!

Again, all you have to explain is why humans don't breed zebras as descendants and you'll know why. So either you don't understand simple genetics, DNA and the reproductive process, or you know those things will prove why apes can't breed human descendants. And that's why you won't give an answer why humans don't breed zebras as descendants. It's so simple that even a ten year old knows why. So since you don't, then you''ll have no clue what animal breeds what. :

Why should I explain? I know perfectly well why a human won't produce a zebra. I've explained many times why organisms can and do evolve. I've completed my side of the bargain, now the onus is on you to explain why they can't. Get on with it. I'm afraid "it doesn't happen in reality" will not suffice.

A1+mutation+time= A2
A1 and A2 live together
A2 can't breed with A1
A2 is genetically more capable of surviving
A1 dies off.
A2+Mutation+Time= A3
Ect ect
Yet its supposed to be unguided yet its following what looks to be a preset plan or pattern, which is very strange for randomness.

Evolution is not random.

The problem is that no mutation adds genetic code to future animals, a mutation scrambles existing code,

Bau bau. I can provide examples of mutations that add non-damaging information if you'd like.

 

[John]

Evolution is not random ??? so it has a set plan ?

Sure list some of them i want to see.