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Bible Study exodus

eddif said:
In mentioning Greek:
I Corinthians 14:21 kjv
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

Isaiah 28:11 kjv
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

I am not positive Greek is the other language, but there is another language from what I read.

To brush Greek aside seems harsh, especially in sight of the stubborn nature of Jewish people that is over and over mentioned.

This is a bible study for growth. Shall we not grow from another language?

Mississippi redneck
eddif
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the ot was written in hebrew - it's always best to study a writing in it's original language - rather than a translation in greek

it's now looking like the nt was originally written in hebrew and then translated into greek - except for some of paul's letters

were/are Jews stubborn? - some - not all

are christians equally stubborn - some - not all

stubborness is a human condition christians have a notable problem with - if we are pointing fingers
 
eddif said:
In mentioning Greek:
I Corinthians 14:21 kjv
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

Isaiah 28:11 kjv
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

I am not positive Greek is the other language, but there is another language from what I read.

To brush Greek aside seems harsh, especially in sight of the stubborn nature of Jewish people that is over and over mentioned.

This is a bible study for growth. Shall we not grow from another language?

Mississippi redneck
eddif
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You add words not in my mouth and when that was written the Greek ,aND they used the lxx which is older then the events of the Gospel by a century.

The Hebrew ,being one ,is important in that when we translate meanings can be lost.koine greek was used because it's was common.


The torah was written originally in 70 languages as not only Did isreal leave Egypt but a few of each of 70 languages,then

That's an oral tradition but if you look you will see that its possible.
 
Romans 2:14 kjv
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

Romans 4:16 kjv
Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Romans 4:11 kjv
And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

The Gentiles were without God and we’re apart from the promises. We are easily removed. A Jewish branch grafted back in is powerful.

As I study Exodus I bring in the reality of Christ into a shadow of things yet to come.

Redneck
eddif
 
Hi guys, I hope you don't mind me joining this great study of Exodus. I have been a student of the Torah and especially Exodus in the quest of examining how Yahweh reacts to the disobedience of Israel (Yisra'el) for years. I see a lot of the nature of YHWH as Exodus unfolds. By studying Exodus, my love for the Divine Counsel (Elohim) has grown substantially.

Love You Guys,
Chopper
 
jasonc said:
You add words not in my mouth and when that was written the Greek ,aND they used the lxx which is older then the events of the Gospel by a century.

The Hebrew ,being one ,is important in that when we translate meanings can be lost.koine greek was used because it's was common.


The torah was written originally in 70 languages as not only Did isreal leave Egypt but a few of each of 70 languages,then

That's an oral tradition but if you look you will see that its possible.
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I agree. The 70 different languages originated at Genesis chapter 11....

Genesis 11:7 "Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth." (KJV)

As Jason has said, 70 languages came about as a result of the Lord scattering the Babelonians upon the face of the earth. That would be 70 languages, 70 nations, and 70 heads or leaders of those nations. Since Satan was the instigator of Babel's tower to be a portal of demons gaining access to the world of men by the demons, Satan tried to establish a new race of beings to stop the line of Abraham and the promised Messiah.

Just my thoughts based on research during that time in history,

Israel recognizes 70 nations even today when they want some kind of help.
 
Chopper said:
I agree. The 70 different languages originated at Genesis chapter 11....

Genesis 11:7 "Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth." (KJV)

As Jason has said, 70 languages came about as a result of the Lord scattering the Babelonians upon the face of the earth. That would be 70 languages, 70 nations, and 70 heads or leaders of those nations. Since Satan was the instigator of Babel's tower to be a portal of demons gaining access to the world of men by the demons, Satan tried to establish a new race of beings to stop the line of Abraham and the promised Messiah.

Just my thoughts based on research during that time in history,

Israel recognizes 70 nations even today when they want some kind of help.
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Ashkenic,sephardic.. those are two of the 70 nations.
 
Reuben, Simeon, Levi, and Judah,

3 Issachar, Zebulun, and Benjamin,

4 Dan, and Naphtali, Gad, and Asher.

5 And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already.

6 And Joseph died, and all his brethren, and all that generation.

7 And the children of Israel were fruitful, and increased abundantly, and multiplied, and waxed exceeding mighty; and the land was filled with them.
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70 again, that we will see a lot in the torah, the word lxx as in the septuagaint and also the Sanhedrin (which was to keep the torah and decide the matters as judges with the priest and to assist in doctrine ).

the names here are why the book is called Shemoth. imho a great sequeway from Genesis into the Passover account.
 
jasonc said:
These are the names - Though this book is a continuation or the book of Genesis, with which probably it was in former times conjoined, Moses thought it necessary to introduce it with an account of the names and number of the family of Jacob when they came to Egypt, to show that though they were then very few, yet in a short time, under the especial blessing of God, they had multiplied exceedingly; and thus the promise to Abraham had been literally fulfilled.
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It was a standard practice in ancient near/middle eastern literature to introduce a story or the next episode of an ongoing story with a genealogy.
That's why Exodus begins with the list of names. It tells the reader (or listener) that the next story is about to begin.

iakov the fool
 
Acts 2:5 kjv
And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

Of those who grieved over the sins of Israel and were marked and scattered among the nations.

Acts 2:6 kjv
Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

If we are having a bible study, it would seem. the restoration of understanding has returned. Are we studying oral traditions or having a bible study? Is the new covenant put on hold? If we are under the redemption of Jesus Christ, are we not able to use written scriptures?

Redneck
eddif
 
If oral traditions are allowed, will Midrash discussions be allowed? I can support some Midrash. Which Midrash do the present posters support?

Mark 7:13 KJV
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

eddif
 
Chopper said:
Hi guys, I hope you don't mind me joining this great study of Exodus. I have been a student of the Torah and especially Exodus in the quest of examining how Yahweh reacts to the disobedience of Israel (Yisra'el) for years. I see a lot of the nature of YHWH as Exodus unfolds. By studying Exodus, my love for the Divine Counsel (Elohim) has grown substantially.

Love You Guys,
Chopper
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That unfolding begins in Genesis 49.

The former name of Jacob is superceeded / enhanced by the name Israel. A physical parent and the spiritual overseer. The spiritual overseer aspect shows up as Israel tells the negative aspect of his sons in Genesis 49.

In Exodus we will begin to see God the Father speak of the sins of the nation and start punishment dealing with their sins.

Midrash in action.

Redneck
eddif
 
Chopper said:
I agree. The 70 different languages originated at Genesis chapter 11....

Genesis 11:7 "Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth." (KJV)

As Jason has said, 70 languages came about as a result of the Lord scattering the Babelonians upon the face of the earth. That would be 70 languages, 70 nations, and 70 heads or leaders of those nations. Since Satan was the instigator of Babel's tower to be a portal of demons gaining access to the world of men by the demons, Satan tried to establish a new race of beings to stop the line of Abraham and the promised Messiah.

Just my thoughts based on research during that time in history,

Israel recognizes 70 nations even today when they want some kind of help.
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In Acts 2 the scattered people of the OT are brought back together and their language understanding solved.

The name of Jesus is now the head of Israel and soon to show up at the Gentile Pentecost.

Redneck
eddif
 
eddif said:
That unfolding begins in Genesis 49.

The former name of Jacob is superceeded / enhanced by the name Israel. A physical parent and the spiritual overseer. The spiritual overseer aspect shows up as Israel tells the negative aspect of his sons in Genesis 49.

In Exodus we will begin to see God the Father speak of the sins of the nation and start punishment dealing with their sins.

Midrash in action.

Redneck
eddif
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Because of rebellion, not because of the midrash which didn't exist then.

Thar would imply moses failed,he didn't ,nor did Joshua.imperfect people ,yes,failures at times.

The idea of looking at the bible from a Hebrew point is beyond you.
Greek the lanGuage not the people.and a mixed multitude went with them.

Those weren't Hebrews but of the known 70 nations around the land promised.
 
jasonc said:
Because of rebellion, not because of the midrash which didn't exist then.

Thar would imply moses failed,he didn't ,nor did Joshua.imperfect people ,yes,failures at times.

The idea of looking at the bible from a Hebrew point is beyond you.
Greek the lanGuage not the people.and a mixed multitude went with them.

Those weren't Hebrews but of the known 70 nations around the land promised.
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Scripture trail for your explanation of mixed multitude and significance.
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Matthew 13:35 kjv
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

Isaiah 6 has the basic same thought.

Spiritual things were hidden from the foundation of the world. The understanding of those things (especially about Jesus) were not understood fully till Jesus / Pentecost.

Jewish Midrash lookes for higher level truth, and not just the natural.

eddif
 
eddif said:
Scripture trail for your explanation of mixed multitude and significance.
....

Matthew 13:35 kjv
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

Isaiah 6 has the basic same thought.

Spiritual things were hidden from the foundation of the world. The understanding of those things (especially about Jesus) were not understood fully till Jesus / Pentecost.

Jewish Midrash lookes for higher level truth, and not just the natural.

eddif
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I'm not in disagreement but again were you there ? Did you or anyone here swear to follow the torah? Exodus was written to and by ? Context
 
Im only sharing what I see from a saved Jew.the tanach exites me in its shadows ,imagery ,things that point to Jesus.

The fact that the gentiles believed aND went into Horeb is a testimony
 
jasonc said:
Im only sharing what I see from a saved Jew.the tanach exites me in its shadows ,imagery ,things that point to Jesus.

The fact that the gentiles believed aND went into Horeb is a testimony
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there is so much that has not been taught in the church about these things

most christians do not study and do not understand TaNaKh.

i am very interested in hearing what you have learned

God Bless you
 
Truthfrees said:
there is so much that has not been taught in the church about these things

most christians do not study and do not understand TaNaKh.

i am very interested in hearing what you have learned

God Bless you
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The peshac alone ,and the Name will be interesting.
 
Higher level Midrash:
Romans 2:29 kjv
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Eventually we discover the higher meaning of circumcism:
“A bloody husband thou art to me”
There is nothing but the heart that sees everything of blood (that I know of).

The heart even has a thinking part. The AV and SA nodes consider the heart beat rate. Considering what heart rate is needed.

Jesus did what was needed for us. He is our bridegroom.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 
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