Explaining the gods of the Christians

[TruthMiner]

Suppose I painted a picture of Jesus. Let's even suppose this picture happened to be a perfect representation of Jesus without a single flaw. Or what if I make a statue of Jesus that perfectly represents him?

Shall I bow down to it and serve the picture or statue? Let's suppose I worship and serve this picture. What do you think so far? What if this image is what I serve? Is this image Jesus? No it isn't. Jesus is a person, this is an image.

Now, you read your Bible, gather up material to form images in your mind of Jesus, and then you form such images in your mind. Such images in your mind are really no different than painting a picture. Each one of them are an image. If you follow this image in your mind are you following Jesus? No, not any more than following the painted picture.

And from what I can see, all of you are arguing that we should be following such an image instead of Jesus in your heart. All you are doing is arguing about what is the most correct IMAGE of Jesus to serve.

The devil has duped you. You think that people need to get the right interpretation right so that we have the correct image of Jesus in our minds to serve and follow. But as you can see in the painting illustration above, following a true painting of Jesus is still idolatry. It is not Jesus. It matters not whether you paint it on canvas with various colors, or if you paint or build it in your head from materials you gathered from the Bible.

Jesus is a person who lives in Christian hearts. He is real and true and dwells there and true Christians hear and know his voice and follow that voice. The PERSON is really there. A concept of Jesus in our minds is not Jesus - that would be an image of Jesus. But all of you would have it that we follow a preferred image that you create in your mind for yourself from materials you take from the Bible. Do you know what the word IMAGination means? It means you have images in your head of Jesus. Having images of Jesus in your mind is not a bad thing but a good thing. But when you serve the image instead of the reality, the person, you serve another god. And that is a bad thing. Is this what you want to follow and serve? An image of Jesus in your mind? Or Jesus himself? Even if your image is correct, it is still an image. Or do you wish rather to serve Jesus? If you can see why it is wrong to serve the statue of painting, why can you not see why it is wrong to serve an image you painted in your mind?

The images of Jesus presented in the Bible are not there for you to serve as your god. In doing so, you would be serving an image as your god. These images from the Bible are not there to serve but are there to point you to the person Jesus and serve him. Following an image of Jesus is not following Jesus. And it seems for many, their own preferred image of Jesus IS Jesus. How unfortunate. We are not to make images of God to serve. We are to serve God alone. It doesn't matter whether you make those images on canvas, out of stone, or in your mind.

Follow him who dwells in you in the Spirit. THIS is Jesus. Follow him DESPITE what the image in your mind looks like. You can't go wrong with that one.

 

[gingercat]

Truth,

It sounds like you are saying that we shold not even read the Bible. Is that what you are saying?

 

[TruthMiner]

Truth,

It sounds like you are saying that we shold not even read the Bible. Is that what you are saying?

Where did you get that?

What I am saying is that you have replaced Jesus with your Bible.

And actually worse yet, you have replaced Jesus with your own interpretations that you got from that Bible. Do you want to follow and serve an interpretation, or Jesus?

Do you really want to do that?

 

[gingercat]

And actually worse yet, you have replaced Jesus with your own interpretations that you got from that Bible. Do you want to follow and serve an interpretation, or Jesus?

Do you really want to do that?

wow, you responded to my inquiry. I thought you are a snob. please forgive me. :

I don't know God and Jesus as much as I want to and the Bible is the best source for me. I will not make up my own image of Jesus and God.

I just have to use what is available which is the Bible.

 

[TruthMiner]

And actually worse yet, you have replaced Jesus with your own interpretations that you got from that Bible. Do you want to follow and serve an interpretation, or Jesus?

Do you really want to do that?

wow, you responded to my inquiry. I thought you are a snob. please forgive me. :

I don't know God and Jesus as much as I want to and the Bible is the best source for me. I will not make up my own image of Jesus and God.

I just have to use what is available which is the Bible.

By reading the Bible you will get to know ABOUT Jesus. By reading Billy Graham's biography you will also get to know ABOUT Billy Graham. Would that mean you then know Billy Graham? No.

Christ dwells in Christian hearts truly. Why would you not want to get to know him there? He is not only with you, he lives inside you. Why would you spend all your energies studing an image of him portrayed by the Bible in order to get to know him when he is right there living in you? Reading the Bible is good and healthy because it tells you what the Kingdom should look like from an earthly perspective. But you don't get to know your Lord by studying these Biblical pictures of him. God sent the Spirit of his Son to dwell in your heart so that you could know him even more personally than John the Baptist ever did.

 

[gingercat]

Why don't you get to the point truth?

What am I missing? What am I doing that unbeliever likes? Of course we have to follow Him if we love Him. If we don't know about Jesus how can we follow Him? If we don't follow Him that means Jesus is not in us. It is so simple thruth.

Without reading the Bible I dont know Him and therefore I cannot follow Him and if I don't follow Him Jesus is not in me. period.

 

[TruthMiner]

Without reading the Bible I dont know Him and therefore I cannot follow Him and if I don't follow Him Jesus is not in me. period.

Let me get this straight. You seem to be claiming that the person Jesus lives in you but the only way you can get to know him is to refer to a book about him.

Do I have it right?

 

[gingercat]

Without reading the Bible I dont know Him and therefore I cannot follow Him and if I don't follow Him Jesus is not in me. period.

Let me get this straight. You seem to be claiming that the person Jesus lives in you but the only way you can get to know him is to refer to a book about him.

Do I have it right?

The Bible is the best source to know Him. Please don't play word game. Please don't use vague expression. I cannot read your mind and don't expect me to.

 

[TruthMiner]

Without reading the Bible I dont know Him and therefore I cannot follow Him and if I don't follow Him Jesus is not in me. period.

Let me get this straight. You seem to be claiming that the person Jesus lives in you but the only way you can get to know him is to refer to a book about him.

Do I have it right?

The Bible is the best source to know Him. Please don't play word game. Please don't use vague expression. I cannot read your mind and don't expect me to.

So the person Jesus does not live in you?

 

[gingercat]

So the person Jesus does not live in you?

You said we should be able to see if it is of God or not why dont you tell me if Jesus is in me?

 

[Relic]

It appears to me that TruthMIner is a new ager who thinks we don't need the bible but can do just fine without it's teachings. It appears he thinks Jesus is going to reveal himself to us without having to read anything from the bible. :

Adam and Eve didn't read, but they didn't listen to the truth of God either.

Did they read anything? NO, but they sure did heed the whiles of the devil, didn't they? :roll:


Listen TruthMiner..... the bible was written over the ocurse of 1500 years by JEWS. If you don't beleive in the JHVH Gd and you don't respect the teachings and HISTORY from which the bible for our benefit , then you are not a true CHRISTIAN. You are then of some religion that is alien from that of the Judeo Christian belief.

Judeo Christianity is what the New Testament in the bible teaches about. The Old testament (veiled) is revealed in the New Testament (veil torn in two)

ALL scripture is written for teaching and edifying.

If you can't beleive that then you are of a different faith. :-?

 

[TruthMiner]

So the person Jesus does not live in you?

You said we should be able to see if it is of God or not why dont you tell me if Jesus is in me?

If he lives in you, then why do you refer to a book to get to know him?

 

[gingercat]

if he lives in you, then why do you refer to a book to get to know him?

Do you have to question this simple thing? Because Jesus is so big and perfect and I am only a baby. I have to grow into Him. He is unlimited, I have to learn so much from Him. He is living in me but I have to want more of Him.

You are speaking like you know everything about Him. It is arrogant of you to say such thing!

 

[gingercat]

if he lives in you, then why do you refer to a book to get to know him?

Do you have to question this simple thing? Because Jesus is so big and perfect and I am only a baby. I have to grow into Him. He is unlimited, I have to learn so much from Him. He is living in me but I have to want more of Him.

You are speaking like you know everything about Him. It is arrogant of you to say such thing!

 

[gingercat]

I know what you are up to. I had an argument with a guy like you before. He insists on saying you don't need the Bible, all you need is Jesus. And He was also saying that we don't have to obey Jesus' commandments and teachings either. Did I identify you correctly? Or you are going to ignore this simple question?

 

[Henry]

Oh brother

 

[mutzrein]

Gingercat - Truthminer's comment is not made out of arrogance.

Those of us who are God's children are 'in the vine' - which is Christ. We don't have to refer to the bible in order that we may know what fruit we should be producing. We bring forth fruit because it is our nature. A good tree brings forth good fruit. Now of course there is much benefit to be derived from scripture but rather than using it as a rule book, it confirms what is aleady taking place.

Ask yourself, if we are to be obedient to the Father just as Jesus was obedient, how was it that Jesus received commands from the Father? It certainly wasn't because it was written down. It was by means of the Spirit. And it is this same Spirit by which we fulfil whatever God requires of us. Not because of a creed or law or doctrine that may or may not be confirmed in scripture.

 

[mutzrein]

Gingercat - Truthminer's comment is not made out of arrogance.

Those of us who are God's children are 'in the vine' - which is Christ. We don't have to refer to the bible in order that we may know what fruit we should be producing. We bring forth fruit because it is our nature. A good tree brings forth good fruit. Now of course there is much benefit to be derived from scripture but rather than using it as a rule book, it confirms what is aleady taking place.

Ask yourself, if we are to be obedient to the Father just as Jesus was obedient, how was it that Jesus received commands from the Father? It certainly wasn't because it was written down. It was by means of the Spirit. And it is this same Spirit by which we fulfil whatever God requires of us. Not because of a creed or law or doctrine that may or may not be confirmed in scripture.

 

[gingercat]

Muts

I don't know about you but I will not make up my own image of God. I cannot be that arrogant. The best source to know God and Jesus is the Bible.

I did that all my life and failed miserably.

 

[TruthMiner]

Gingercat - Truthminer's comment is not made out of arrogance.

Those of us who are God's children are 'in the vine' - which is Christ. We don't have to refer to the bible in order that we may know what fruit we should be producing. We bring forth fruit because it is our nature. A good tree brings forth good fruit. Now of course there is much benefit to be derived from scripture but rather than using it as a rule book, it confirms what is aleady taking place.

Ask yourself, if we are to be obedient to the Father just as Jesus was obedient, how was it that Jesus received commands from the Father? It certainly wasn't because it was written down. It was by means of the Spirit. And it is this same Spirit by which we fulfil whatever God requires of us. Not because of a creed or law or doctrine that may or may not be confirmed in scripture.

Thats it.