Faith. Two questions.

[Cedric]

You're missing my point mate.

Taking a life science course will not disprove God. God cannot be proved or disproved. If you come to the course with a belief in mind already, polarisation can only be expected.

I don't feel as though I have closed my mind at all.

Close minded people rarely do.

 

[Cedric]

Ehem... *Bump*

Cedric - did you get to have a look at the doc I sent you?

You can ignore this now - I got ya PM.

Thanks

Well did you get my next 2? Respond ya dag. :P

 

[ChristineES]

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Taking a life science course will not disprove God. God cannot be proved or disproved. If you come to the course with a belief in mind already, polarisation can only be expected.

I don't feel as though I have closed my mind at all.

Close minded people rarely do.

I love it when people who never met me can judge me like this. :wink: You would think I would be offended, but sincerely I am not. I never said taking a life science course had anything to do with God, it did have something to do with me, however.
No one can tell you what to believe, only you can do that. You can choose to believe in God, or you can choose not to believe in God. I can write a million word essay on why you should believe in God, and you could still reject it.
No one can give you faith. No one can help you find it if you don't have it. I am not going to try and prove God's existence to anyone, because as you say, you can't. No one can.
My mind is wide open. A person does not close his or her mind when he/she becomes a Christian. I get awfully tired of hearing that, because it just is not true.

 

[mutzrein]

Ehem... *Bump*

Cedric - did you get to have a look at the doc I sent you?

You can ignore this now - I got ya PM.

Thanks

Well did you get my next 2? Respond ya dag. :P

Yeah - course I did mate. I'm gonna have to go check to see what happened now.

. . . maybe my mailbox was full . . . ??! I'll have to check that . . .

 

[mutzrein]

Ced - I'm trying to work out my mail boxes. The pm I thought I sent you is sitting in my 'Outbox' - along with some others that I thought I had sent. I haven't really checked up on these for ages. Kindof thought that once I sent it that would be it - or at least there would be a message to say I had run out of space or something else had happened.

Do you know how these mail boxes are managed? I mean my 'Sentbox' is not full so I would have expected pm's to be sent.

Any ideas?

 

[Cedric]

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Taking a life science course will not disprove God. God cannot be proved or disproved. If you come to the course with a belief in mind already, polarisation can only be expected.

I don't feel as though I have closed my mind at all.

Close minded people rarely do.

I love it when people who never met me can judge me like this. :wink: You would think I would be offended, but sincerely I am not.

I am not judging you. Did I say you were close minded? I said close minded people often believe they have an open mind, so whether you believe you have an open mind or not is irrelevant. I'm not on your case.

I never said taking a life science course had anything to do with God,

Actually, yes you did.

I needed to take a life science (I am back in school studying accounting) and I decided to take Physical Anthropology. There was not one thing in that class that disproves my faith in God.

See?

No one can tell you what to believe, only you can do that. You can choose to believe in God, or you can choose not to believe in God. I can write a million word essay on why you should believe in God, and you could still reject it.

Yeah... I know. I just said that.

No one can give you faith. No one can help you find it if you don't have it.

Thank you for answering the question I posed in my first post.

My mind is wide open. A person does not close his or her mind when he/she becomes a Christian. I get awfully tired of hearing that, because it just is not true.

Look mate, I NEVER said that you or Christians in general have closed minds. I said closed minded people often believe they have open minds. There is a world of difference. I can tell that you entered this thread with good intentions... I think. So I'm sorry if you misunderstood me and took it as an attack on you. Look at it from my perspective though, dude. I don't like it being said that I judge people anyless than you don't like it when someone calls you close minded. I should be offended. Please read the lot again and try to understand where I am coming from.

Any ideas?

That's odd. I don't know mate. I have never had any problems with it. I would have said your sent box is probably full, but you have said that is not it. Hang on, let me send a test message.

EDIT: Weird... my test message is still in my outbox but after I sent it I recieved one of your messages. Anyway, I'll read it and get back to you. Thanks for everything, and stop apologising, you've done nothing wrong mate. Hakuna Matata.

 

[gingercat]

1. How can I gain faith in God?

I tested to see what will happen if I strive to follow everything what it says in the New Testament. And He made my life powerful with confidence that I can handle anything with His help!!!

 

[Cedric]

1. How can I gain faith in God?

I tested to see what will happen if I strive to follow everything what it says in the New Testament. And He made my life powerful with confidence that I can handle anything with His help!!!

How did He manage that and how long did it take?

 

[ChristineES]

You have to listen to God. When He talks, it is in your heart (so to speak) and you have to learn to hear it and to listen. When I accepted Jesus, He called to me. Not in a voice like a human, but more like a feeling. I can't explain it, I am not sure if a person can feel it unless they really want to. God calls people all the time, and it seems that most people don't answer because they can't hear and don't know He is calling them.
I know this sounds vague, but I just don't know how to explain it.

 

[reznwerks]

voices

You have to listen to God. When He talks, it is in your heart (so to speak) and you have to learn to hear it and to listen. When I accepted Jesus, He called to me. Not in a voice like a human, but more like a feeling. I can't explain it, I am not sure if a person can feel it unless they really want to. God calls people all the time, and it seems that most people don't answer because they can't hear and don't know He is calling them.
I know this sounds vague, but I just don't know how to explain it.

That is why there are so many different denominations, differences of opinion, crimes committed because they heard voices etc. Look at the phrases you used: "your heart" "he called me" "feelings" and most important "I am not sure if a person can feel it unless they really want to. What you have just confirmed is the biggest issue argueing against a God. If you can't separate or show evidence of what you said is real then it remains as you said with the person exclusively. Perhaps you missed this article?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/20 ... rain.shtml

 

[Cedric]

reznwerks - Do you honestly think that had not occurred to us? This is not a debate on whether Christians are right to believe in God or a argument over Gods existence. Go bash Christians somewhere else. You're not appreciated here.

You have to listen to God. When He talks, it is in your heart (so to speak) and you have to learn to hear it and to listen. When I accepted Jesus, He called to me. Not in a voice like a human, but more like a feeling. I can't explain it, I am not sure if a person can feel it unless they really want to. God calls people all the time, and it seems that most people don't answer because they can't hear and don't know He is calling them.
I know this sounds vague, but I just don't know how to explain it.

This post raises more questions than it answers. Okay, let me explain my situation,

- I really want to hear God and communicate with him.
- I have not heard, seen or felt anything that would lead me to believe he exists.
- If God is calling me, I don't know it.

I have a few questions as well.

I feel things all the time, but how can I tell which feelings are from God?
How can I learn to listen to God?
How can I tell if God is calling me?

If you could take a little time to address those that would be sweet.

 

[mutzrein]

Cedric. Pardon me for butting in mate. May I ask why? Why do you really want to hear God and communicate with him?

 

[reznwerks]

why

reznwerks - Do you honestly think that had not occurred to us? This is not a debate on whether Christians are right to believe in God or a argument over Gods existence. Go bash Christians somewhere else. You're not appreciated here.
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Why, because I don't make you feel all fuzzy and warm inside?

 

[Cedric]

Cedric. Pardon me for butting in mate. May I ask why? Why do you really want to hear God and communicate with him?

No worries mate. I want to know the truth. Something like 90% of the world believe in some form of God. Are they all deluded? That doesn't make any sense to me. It's something everyone questions at some point or another I think. They want purpose. So do I. Plus, if I have at chance at eternity in heaven I don't want to miss out.

reznwerks - Do you honestly think that had not occurred to us? This is not a debate on whether Christians are right to believe in God or an argument over Gods existence. Go bash Christians somewhere else. You're not appreciated here.

Why, because I don't make you feel all fuzzy and warm inside?

You're a dag. Do you find pleasure in annoying people? I answered your question before you even asked it. Read my bold. You are off-topic.

 

[Jay T]

1. EDIT 2: How can I gain faith in God?

Faith can only be gained thru Bible study and much prayer (Romans 10:17).

2. How do you know God exists?

The Bible has made predictions which history has confirmed.

For example: God made predictions (hundreds of years before) about the Kingdoms of Babylon, Greece, Rome....which history has proven to have existed.

 

[Cedric]

2. How do you know God exists?

The Bible has made predictions which history has confirmed.

For example: God made predictions (hundreds of years before) about the Kingdoms of Babylon, Greece, Rome....which history has proven to have existed.

And that is enough for you? That has you certain?

 

[Jay T]

2. How do you know God exists?

The Bible has made predictions which history has confirmed.

For example: God made predictions (hundreds of years before) about the Kingdoms of Babylon, Greece, Rome....which history has proven to have existed.

And that is enough for you? That has you certain?

When predictions comes true made hundreds of years, before actually happens, then I can only assume that there is something there, that must have some validity to it, yes ?

 

[Cedric]

Okay... I wasn't expecting that.

That's not enough for me.

 

[Jay T]

Okay... I wasn't expecting that.

That's not enough for me.

The history of nations speaks to us today.

To every nation and to every individual God has assigned a place in His great plan.
Today men and nations are being tested by the plummet in the hand of Him who makes no mistake.

All are by their own choice deciding their destiny, and God is overruling all for the accomplishment of His purposes.

The prophecies which the great I AM has given in His word, uniting link after link in the chain of events, from eternity in the past to eternity in the future, tell us where we are today in the procession of the ages and what may be expected in the time to come.

All that prophecy has foretold as coming to pass, until the present time, has been traced on the pages of history, and we may be assured that all which is yet to come will be fulfilled in its order.

Today the signs of the times declare that we are standing on the threshold of great and solemn events.
Everything in our world is in agitation. Before our eyes is fulfilling the Saviour's prophecy of the events to precede His coming: "Ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars. . . . Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places." Matthew 24:6, 7.

The present is a time of overwhelming interest to all living. Rulers and statesmen, men who occupy positions of trust and authority, thinking men and women of all classes, have their attention fixed upon the events taking place about us.

They are watching the relations that exist among the nations.
They observe the intensity that is taking possession of every earthly element, and they recognize that something great and decisive is about to take place--that the world is on the verge of a stupendous crisis.


The Bible, and the Bible only, gives a correct view of these things.

Here are revealed the great final scenes in the history of our world, events that already are casting their shadows before, the sound of their approach causing the earth to tremble and men's hearts to fail them for fear.

 

[Cedric]

Alright. I'm about to do a sum up type thing and come back with some more questions. If anyone want's to get their say in, or is new since I last bumped this thread, now is the time.

A big thank you to everyone that helped. You have now idea how much you are appreciated.

:D :-D