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Faith!

th1b.taylor

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<style type="text/css">p { margin-bottom: 0.08in; }a:link { }</style> ASV: Hebrews 11:6. And without faith it is impossible to be well-pleasing unto him ; for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that seek after him.


As I go to and I teach or attend classes at Church today I am deeply sorrowed and disappointed. In the Church Family it is estimated, by the optimistic, that ten to fifteen percent of the Church is saved and that the rest are there for their own agendas. If we look at past surveys that have been taken by independent but Christian Organizations the truth is much more glaring! The Barna Group is reported to have done a survey in the mid-eighties and before I was a Christian that put the number of saved at somewhere between one and two percent of the Church Family.


I was taught that the conditions for taking the Double Blind Survey was that the participants must be among the Faithful and that was defined as attending Church no less than three services each week. The questions concerned and were centered on the Basic Tenants of the Christian's relationship with their Savior. I do not recall all of them, nor do I any longer remember the exact percentages but they were at the very least, depressing! The questions I do recall were, 'Do you believe in the Virgin Birth? Do you believe Jesus died on the cross for your sins? And, Do you believe Jesus is returning to Rapture you?'


The groups in the different churches ranged from fifteen to twenty per-cent of each churches membership and the average range of people that answered yes to all of the basic tenants was less than ten per-cent. Ten per-cent of that group would translate into one and a half to two per-cent of the Church Family and I just must ask myself, “Why do they even bother to attend?†In my case I do not believe that Jesus will rapture me, I know it to be a fact! I also know all the rest to be true because it is recorded in my personal copies of the scriptures the Almighty God had recorded and preserved for me to read!


It is my prayer the you, the folks that read my ramblings on these forums and in my email list and on my blog are praying for God to increase your faith to the point that He has mine. So, aside from prayer, how did I get to this point? For the past twenty-one years I have made it a point to learn as much as God has shown me by reading through the Word of God in several translations. With prayer I have made myself and all that God has permitted me to hold, available for His Service and use. Because of my willingness God has grown my faith ad God walks and talks and uses me in His service and it has, in spite of my early years, been a wonderful life in His service.


Every man woman and child can have the same relationship! It begins with making yourself available to God and prayer for those you love and your neighbors. May God bless.

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Faith is of vital importance, but it but not be misplaced. Placing faith in a church and the doctrines of men that they typically espouse can be an example of misplaced faith. Expecting a "rapture" that is not promised is a dangerous thing to have faith in.
 
faith as in being a treu believer? i think after reading your post the1b.taylor; that the wrong questions might have been asked, or at least that's what i think.

if you'd ask for my moral to answer the questions that you showed i's too say no to the first two. that jesus might rapture me i say yes(he or god allready did so to me) so i cant say no to that one.

how about i tell you they do might get saved through the laws of morality justice and logic reasoning in that..(edit) i even believe so that if you think you need to be saved your allready lost. but thats me. maybe even by getting 'saved' through believing some like you say, you get lost..

might sound to you that i am not christian here, but honestly i am(nother edit) i am protestant though
 
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To the first gentleman, this is not a discussion on the truth of the Rapture that is foretold in 1Thes. 4:16 & 17. It is a discussion of the state of the church and to the fact that when we enter the door of the building... we enter into the Mission Field!

Now, the second post. You, my neighbor, are one of those I'm speaking of, and it matters not that you are Catholic or Eastern Orthodox. If you do not have the faith to believe in things such as the Virgin Birth then your faith is in need of nurturing. Jesus said it Himself, 'except you believe as a little child, you cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
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For the past twenty-one years I have made it a point to learn as much as God has shown me by reading through the Word of God in several translations. With prayer I have made myself and all that God has permitted me to hold, available for His Service and use. Because of my willingness God has grown my faith ad God walks and talks and uses me in His service and it has, in spite of my early years, been a wonderful life in His service.

Romans 10: (Authorized King James Version)
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

I'm not too keen on the Modern Bibles, can we link the introduction of the Modern Bibles in the 1970's to the problems we have in the Churches today?
 
Romans 10: (Authorized King James Version)
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

I'm not too keen on the Modern Bibles, can we link the introduction of the Modern Bibles in the 1970's to the problems we have in the Churches today?
No! First and most obvious is the Mormons! Joseph Smith and all of the Later Day Saints, a.k.a. Mormons, used and still use the King James Version. In the case of the J.W.s, perhaps but then they grew out of the King James until they mistranslated the New World Translation. I have a total of 18 versions and they all say the same thing but in different words. My first Bible, before I was saved was the KJV and I own two large study versions of the KJV as well as having it on my computer. I teach from the NASB because the KJV is a thought for thought translation of the Original Texts but the NASB is a word for word translation of the Original Texts... as closely as can be done when translating one language or in this case three languages into another.
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I teach from the NASB because the KJV is a thought for thought translation of the Original Texts but the NASB is a word for word translation of the Original Texts... as closely as can be done when translating one language or in this case three languages into another.

Sorry to say this but i think you have it around the opposite way. The KJV is a word for word translation and the NASB is a thought for thought translation or in other words they call it dynamic equivalence.

I recommend these articles to you that compare the KJV with the NASB, interesting:

A Comparison of the New American Standard Version with the Authorised King James Version

and

The New American Standard Version Exposed!
 
Now, the second post. You, my neighbor, are one of those I'm speaking of, and it matters not that you are Catholic or Eastern Orthodox. If you do not have the faith to believe in things such as the Virgin Birth then your faith is in need of nurturing. Jesus said it Himself, 'except you believe as a little child, you cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
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yeah as a child of truth that would be to me then. a virgin giving birth?? what about symbolism? and i am only 26 so still young. and i have a great faith on some, its even concreet faith without doubt. but not hanging in old things which only make it sound like untreu(virgin birth, conception wasnt available yet or so was there??) and things which moraly just arent ment to last.

i say truth comes first, with justice and whats right' and surely you dont take all literarelly do you?

it's the same as when i say all walk over the surface of the see, there wont be no waves and i'll be there in thirty days.:lol you dont eccapt such as trutheither do you?

or jonah in a whale...

how about you do the same survey and put in large words in it that it all symbolic or to be taken with some salt, then answerring would be different i' think.

since i am allready willing to believe god made her pregnant..
and with some flex i also accept jesus dieing for sins/faults..
and the returnal would be a definate YES
 
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yeah as a child of truth that would be to me then. a virgin giving birth?? what about symbolism? and i am only 26 so still young. and i have a great faith on some, its even concreet faith without doubt. but not hanging in old things which only make it sound like untreu(virgin birth, conception wasnt available yet or so was there??) and things which moraly just arent ment to last.

i say truth comes first, with justice and whats right' and surely you dont take all literarelly do you?

it's the same as when i say all walk over the surface of the see, there wont be no waves and i'll be there in thirty days.:lol you dont eccapt such as trutheither do you?

or jonah in a whale...

how about you do the same survey and put in large words in it that it all symbolic or to be taken with some salt, then answerring would be different i' think.

since i am allready willing to believe god made her pregnant..
and with some flex i also accept jesus dieing for sins/faults..
and the returnal would be a definate YES
Your entire premise is built on Satanic lies, the Bible is God's Revelation of Himself to His Creation, man.
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Sorry to say this but i think you have it around the opposite way. The KJV is a word for word translation and the NASB is a thought for thought translation or in other words they call it dynamic equivalence.

I recommend these articles to you that compare the KJV with the NASB, interesting:

A Comparison of the New American Standard Version with the Authorised King James Version

and

The New American Standard Version Exposed!
Now, in the same manor as the first poster you are considerably out of line and running on worldly motives! This string will not be hijacked by you and turned into one of the less productive verbal endeavors such as a KJV Only debate. All I'm going to tell you is to lay your, inbuilt prejudice, aside, actually read the links you posted with an objective mind set and then to broaden your search for truth.
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yeah as a child of truth that would be to me then. a virgin giving birth?? what about symbolism? and i am only 26 so still young. and i have a great faith on some, its even concreet faith without doubt. but not hanging in old things which only make it sound like untreu(virgin birth, conception wasnt available yet or so was there??) and things which moraly just arent ment to last.

i say truth comes first, with justice and whats right' and surely you dont take all literarelly do you?

it's the same as when i say all walk over the surface of the see, there wont be no waves and i'll be there in thirty days.:lol you dont eccapt such as trutheither do you?

or jonah in a whale...

how about you do the same survey and put in large words in it that it all symbolic or to be taken with some salt, then answerring would be different i' think.

since i am allready willing to believe god made her pregnant..
and with some flex i also accept jesus dieing for sins/faults..
and the returnal would be a definate YES
Friend,if there is no virgin birth, there is no christian faith and people cannot be saved, it really is as simple as that.
 
Now, in the same manor as the first poster you are considerably out of line and running on worldly motives! This string will not be hijacked by you and turned into one of the less productive verbal endeavors such as a KJV Only debate. All I'm going to tell you is to lay your, inbuilt prejudice, aside, actually read the links you posted with an objective mind set and then to broaden your search for truth.

I will broaden my mind by reading http://www.jesus-is-savior.com
I suggest you do too.
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Here is the King James Bible Verse:

Hebrews 11:
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.



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Faith means the trustworthiness or reliance on Gods word for his salvation for us who believe in him. It's a belief in the promises and blessings of his word and applying his word to our daily walk with him by seeing the confidence in the testimony of others.

The nature of faith is seen through the fruits of the Spirit, which are love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance, which these fruits brings about kindness, self control and faithfulness through the works of God that comes from our heart.

Faith gives us freedom from condemnation and freedom of salvation through adoption as we become one body in the Lord as we walk by faith, live by faith, pray by faith and resist evil by faith. By faith we are an overcomer of this world as we stand fast and are grounded in Gods word knowing we have assurance of all of his promises that makes us victorious in all things here on earth by us applying his word to our lives to know for a surety that he will never leave us or forsake us.

Faith is a living reality in ones life through Gods service by declaring his word as we bear witness to his name by the mighty works he has done. It’s not even our faith, but that of Jesus who is our faith as we believe in who he has said he was and to the glory and honor that he has brought before the Father through his life, death and resurrection that we to can become heirs to the throne of grace by coming boldly to his throne and surrendering all of us to him to be Lord and Savior of our live.
 


I will broaden my mind by reading http://www.jesus-is-savior.com
I suggest you do too.
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Here is the King James Bible Verse:

Hebrews 11:
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.



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Until you decide to act like the Christian you present yourself to be and to discuss the topic, you are ignored.
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Faith means the trustworthiness or reliance on Gods word for his salvation for us who believe in him. It's a belief in the promises and blessings of his word and applying his word to our daily walk with him by seeing the confidence in the testimony of others.

The nature of faith is seen through the fruits of the Spirit, which are love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance, which these fruits brings about kindness, self control and faithfulness through the works of God that comes from our heart.

Faith gives us freedom from condemnation and freedom of salvation through adoption as we become one body in the Lord as we walk by faith, live by faith, pray by faith and resist evil by faith. By faith we are an overcomer of this world as we stand fast and are grounded in Gods word knowing we have assurance of all of his promises that makes us victorious in all things here on earth by us applying his word to our lives to know for a surety that he will never leave us or forsake us.

Faith is a living reality in ones life through Gods service by declaring his word as we bear witness to his name by the mighty works he has done. It’s not even our faith, but that of Jesus who is our faith as we believe in who he has said he was and to the glory and honor that he has brought before the Father through his life, death and resurrection that we to can become heirs to the throne of grace by coming boldly to his throne and surrendering all of us to him to be Lord and Savior of our live.
Thank you for such a God honoring, God inspired and inspiring post!
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