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For as a snare shall it come
- Thread starter guysmith
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Ps 69:22
22 May their table before them become a snare;
And when they are in peace, may it become a trap. NAS
This is concerning the fowls of the air. You can't trap a bird in a pit, like a beast. You catch a bird with a snare.
An hour of temptation like a snare is coming to those whose sin is like a bird.
Joe
22 May their table before them become a snare;
And when they are in peace, may it become a trap. NAS
This is concerning the fowls of the air. You can't trap a bird in a pit, like a beast. You catch a bird with a snare.
An hour of temptation like a snare is coming to those whose sin is like a bird.
Joe
precepts,precepts said:
This is all in the same testimony as the adulterous woman riding on the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns and 10 crowns on the horns.
An idolater sins with a different emotion and in a different form of sinning than a person who practices sorcery.
An idolater condemns the one who practices sorcery. He who practices sorcery despises the idolater.
Idolatry does not require a material idol, just the lust for one; the seeking of a sign.
Sorcery is the vain imagination and the desire for information to make us wise.
Joe
Prov 29:25
25 The fear of man bringeth a snare; But whoso putteth his trust in Jehovah shall be safe. ASV
Matt 10:28
28 And be not afraid of them that kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. ASV
When we flee from terror we are fleeing from things created; fleeing at the shaking of a leaf.
When we flee from wrath to come we are fleeing to Jesus for refuge from the promised wrath in the day of judgment and the power of the angel who is ordained to punish every transgression.
Joe
25 The fear of man bringeth a snare; But whoso putteth his trust in Jehovah shall be safe. ASV
Matt 10:28
28 And be not afraid of them that kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. ASV
When we flee from terror we are fleeing from things created; fleeing at the shaking of a leaf.
When we flee from wrath to come we are fleeing to Jesus for refuge from the promised wrath in the day of judgment and the power of the angel who is ordained to punish every transgression.
Joe
precepts,precepts said:
In taking His name we should also eat His bread and wear His clothing. Love covers a multitude of sins. Shem and Japeth walked backwards and covered the nakedness of their father, Noah.
In the pit we labor with the stones to build a temple for the Lord. When we climb out of the pit, then we are taken in the snare of the scribe.
Joe
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From my study of the word, I've come to the conclusion that the main enemy of God and man is the workers of iniquity which I define as sorcerors, persons with familiar spirits or those that seek after such persons, idolaters (which is witchcraft), whoremongers (pimps), liars (you can't work witchcraft without being a deciever), dogs (which they copulate with), and who so ever loveth and maketh a lie (sodomites). The main enemy of God, man, and the word was and will always be sodomites/sons of Baal/workers of iniquity/sorcerors.
precepts
Are you familiar with the term "sons of Baal" who were suppose to be sodomites but pretended to be religious in order to corrupt God's word, an example is the two sons of Eli. These Sodomites, as well as others, were/are the downfall of the truth which they stamp under foot. If you want to get to the bottom of the truth, you have to factor in this denominator. It's not everyone that says Lord, Lord, will be saved.
From my study of the word, I've come to the conclusion that the main enemy of God and man is the workers of iniquity which I define as sorcerors, persons with familiar spirits or those that seek after such persons, idolaters (which is witchcraft), whoremongers (pimps), liars (you can't work witchcraft without being a deciever), dogs (which they copulate with), and who so ever loveth and maketh a lie (sodomites). The main enemy of God, man, and the word was and will always be sodomites/sons of Baal/workers of iniquity/sorcerors.
precepts
Cornelius,Cornelius said:
The song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb. Revelation 15:3.
Heb 3:1-6
:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. KJV
Joe
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Matthew24:34
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guysmith said:Hello C,
You stated: How do you choose when you want something real and when is it symbolic ?
My response: I guess it’s a gift ;) All kidding aside, my conclusions are based on deductions and allowing the Bible to interpret itself. For example:
1. The Beast and the false prophet. I feel that they will be real individuals because in the end they are thrown into the lake of fire which is meant for all who are not written in the book of life. Revelation 20:10
2. The two witnesses. IMHO these two are real individuals because the are killed and their bodies lay in the streets of Jerusalem and then they take part in the resurrections. Revelation 14.
You stated: Revelation is in the New Testament, so we know it says that the New Jerusalem is actually the Bride of Christ (not a real building)
My response: I do see the New Jerusalem, the Bride, as a real building. This is one of those cases where the Bible has to interpret itself. Notice that John clarifies that the New Jerusalem is the tabernacle of God.
Rev 21:2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
The tabernacle of God is a real building. Paul clarifies that the tabernacle in the wilderness was a scale model of the tabernacle in heaven.
Hebrews 8:5
They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: "See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain."
So, when Christ returns, He doesn’t come for the bride, but rather, He comes with the bride.
You stated: and the mountain of God..Mount Zion..we are told in Hebrews is not a mountain we can touch (because it is in fact a symbol for the Kingdom of God) . But then you jump back to making the mountain real again.
My response: I believe that Paul was talking about two different mountains. Notice that the mountain that can’t be touch is a description of Mount Siani including a description by Moses.
Hebrews 12: 19And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
20(For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
21And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
Then Paul shifts over to Mount Zion….
Hebrews 12: 22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
… which will be the center from which Christ will rule the earth during the millennium. Notice, the “city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,†“the bride†(a real building encompassing a real mountain) which will come down to earth as described in Revelation 21.
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
Greetings, Guy Smith: The timing for the Book of Revelation is clearly given in both the first and last chapters. John was shown the things which were in his day to SHORTLY take place because the time was then NEAR (Rev. 1:1, 3). The angel told John in Revelation 22:10 that he was not to seal up the words of the prophecy of the book for the time was NEAR (note Daniel 8 where Daniel was told TO seal up the words because the time for their fulfillment was far in the future). The things John was shown were to SHORTLY take place (Rev. 22:6). The beast, the false prophet, the two witnesses, the bride, and the New Jerusalem, etc. are all to be found in that time frame--the first century, (ca A. D. 70)!
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turnorburn
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Godbless said:
Every consider he's already here? A counterfeit Christ, doesn't that bachelor in Rome
claim the tittle? :yes
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/anti1.htm
M
Matthew24:34
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guysmith said:Hello C,
You stated: How do you choose when you want something real and when is it symbolic ?
My response: I guess it’s a gift ;) All kidding aside, my conclusions are based on deductions and allowing the Bible to interpret itself. For example:
1. The Beast and the false prophet. I feel that they will be real individuals because in the end they are thrown into the lake of fire which is meant for all who are not written in the book of life. Revelation 20:10
2. The two witnesses. IMHO these two are real individuals because the are killed and their bodies lay in the streets of Jerusalem and then they take part in the resurrections. Revelation 14.
You stated: Revelation is in the New Testament, so we know it says that the New Jerusalem is actually the Bride of Christ (not a real building)
My response: I do see the New Jerusalem, the Bride, as a real building. This is one of those cases where the Bible has to interpret itself. Notice that John clarifies that the New Jerusalem is the tabernacle of God.
Rev 21:2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
The tabernacle of God is a real building. Paul clarifies that the tabernacle in the wilderness was a scale model of the tabernacle in heaven.
Hebrews 8:5
They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: "See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain."
So, when Christ returns, He doesn’t come for the bride, but rather, He comes with the bride.
You stated: and the mountain of God..Mount Zion..we are told in Hebrews is not a mountain we can touch (because it is in fact a symbol for the Kingdom of God) . But then you jump back to making the mountain real again.
My response: I believe that Paul was talking about two different mountains. Notice that the mountain that can’t be touch is a description of Mount Siani including a description by Moses.
Hebrews 12: 19And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
20(For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
21And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
Then Paul shifts over to Mount Zion….
Hebrews 12: 22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
… which will be the center from which Christ will rule the earth during the millennium. Notice, the “city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,†“the bride†(a real building encompassing a real mountain) which will come down to earth as described in Revelation 21.
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
Hello, Guy Smith: Let's go beyond Revelation 21. There we find the timing for these events. John was shown the things which were toshortly take place (22:6). The angel told John to not seal up the words of the prophecy of the book because the time was near (Rev. 22:10). Notice that in Daniel 8, Daniel was told TO seal up the words of the prophecy because it was for a time far off! It is not insignificant that John was told in both the first and last chapters that the things he was to be shown would occur shortly and that the time was near!
Sincerely, Matthew24:34