For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and..?

[researcher]

I always thought the "word of God" here meant the Bible. At least that's what I was always taught, I believe. Think the author was talking about the Spirit of Christ, i.e. the Word?

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Can paper and ink be a "him," "discern thoughts," or have "eyes"?

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Same "Word" as in John 1:1? Some commentators are conflicted.

 

[azlan88]

Jesus is the Word, for as it is written in John 1:14,

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

 

[DarcyLu]

Jesus is the Word, for as it is written in John 1:14,

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

i agree azlan, the written Word "discerns thoughts" and has "eyes" BECAUSE it is "quick and powerful, and sharper than a 2 edged sword" when we read the Word, we are in Christ.

 

[costcounter]

We must needs avoid attempting to come to God´s Word as a wise and prudent (i.e. scholastic achiever) sort, lest the Truth be hid from us. For when we begin to think above (beyond) that which is written, then be begin to exaggerate and over-estimate His Word. The Word of God is the Word of God, and we need not to think beyond that.

 

[researcher]

Jesus is the Word, for as it is written in John 1:14,

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

i agree azlan, the written Word "discerns thoughts" and has "eyes" BECAUSE it is "quick and powerful, and sharper than a 2 edged sword" when we read the Word, we are in Christ.

How does an inanimate object discern thoughts?

 

[glorydaz]

Jesus is the Word, for as it is written in John 1:14,

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

i agree azlan, the written Word "discerns thoughts" and has "eyes" BECAUSE it is "quick and powerful, and sharper than a 2 edged sword" when we read the Word, we are in Christ.

How does an inanimate object discern thoughts?

The Bible is the living Word of God. It is not just a book.

The Words are Spirit and Life....

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Able to make wise unto salvation...

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Inspired by God....

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

[DarcyLu]

How does an inanimate object discern thoughts?

The Bible is the living Word of God. It is not just a book.

The Words are Spirit and Life....

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Able to make wise unto salvation...
[quote="2 Timothy 3:15":24b3vgyj]And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Inspired by God....

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

[/quote:24b3vgyj]
:yes agreed and researcher, it is not an inanimate object.

 

[researcher]

The Bible is the living Word of God. It is not just a book.

The Words are Spirit and Life....

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Able to make wise unto salvation...
[quote="2 Timothy 3:15":33lxj8jk]And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Inspired by God....

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

[/quote:33lxj8jk]

The words Jesus "spoke" came from the Spirit, which is why they were spirit and life. Lol. Only the Spirit can make something alive. If the Spirit shows you something from the Bible, then, it's alive. But the book itself can't do anything on it's own, lol. Take the Spirit away from the book and what do you have? Not much! Except maybe some instructions, lol. The Word then = the Spirit, and not the Book as without the Spirit, the book is just a book. lol.

 

[researcher]

agreed and researcher, it is not an inanimate object.

So, the Book can create stuff? lol That would be cool to see, :o

 

[DarcyLu]

agreed and researcher, it is not an inanimate object.

So, the Book can create stuff? lol That would be cool to see, :o

inanimate means dead, not active it has nothing to do with creating something - yet the Word is LIVING and BREATHING and active, powerful - so it's not inanimate. lol and it's only "an object" as far as it's tangible and you can touch it, otherwise it is the very Words of God.

 

[researcher]

agreed and researcher, it is not an inanimate object.

So, the Book can create stuff? lol That would be cool to see, :o

inanimate means dead, not active it has nothing to do with creating something - yet the Word is LIVING and BREATHING and active, powerful - so it's not inanimate. lol and it's only "an object" as far as it's tangible and you can touch it, otherwise it is the very Words of God.

I know the Spirit is the Word of God. The words in a book are what the Spirit told other people, and, they wrote it down. But, without the Spirit, what is the Book? Can you be saved without the Spirit? No, of course not. Can you be saved without the Book? 100% absolutely. Lol. :D

 

[DarcyLu]

I know the Spirit is the Word of God. The words in a book are what the Spirit told other people, and, they wrote it down. But, without the Spirit, what is the Book? Can you be saved without the Spirit? No, of course not. Can you be saved without the Book? 100% absolutely. Lol. :D

i know what your are saying researcher.

totally off topic and hope it's ok but i want to ask you about your avatar, i'm assuming that is you holding the child. where were you? on a mission trip? it just caught my eye and i was curious about it.
thanks

 

[ronniechoate34]

Can you be saved without the Book? 100% absolutely. Lol. :D

Not according to my logic. Since faith comes through hearing the Word of God then the only way it's going to happen has to be by hearing first. How can anyone be saved without the Word of God which is the basis for our faith and our hope in Christ? It sounds like nonsense to me.

 

[researcher]

I know the Spirit is the Word of God. The words in a book are what the Spirit told other people, and, they wrote it down. But, without the Spirit, what is the Book? Can you be saved without the Spirit? No, of course not. Can you be saved without the Book? 100% absolutely. Lol. :D

i know what your are saying researcher.

totally off topic and hope it's ok but i want to ask you about your avatar, i'm assuming that is you holding the child. where were you? on a mission trip? it just caught my eye and i was curious about it.
thanks

LOL. Hey, Darc. ;) :D

The picture is from an event with a sports league that I run. One of the player's kids got hurt, and I was carrying him to a fountain to wash off his cuts. Lol. ;) ;) ;) We had a video cam going at the time and it caught the whole thing (you shoulda seen the fall this kid took, man! 0_0) lol. The kid was totally bawling. Lol. Worked out OK though. ;)

And yes, it does kind of look like something that could be from a mission (even though it's downtown Sacramento, lol). (I'll leave the mission trips to my uncle in the Philippines, lol). ;) ;) ;)

 

[researcher]

Can you be saved without the Book? 100% absolutely. Lol. :D

Not according to my logic. Since faith comes through hearing the Word of God then the only way it's going to happen has to be by hearing first. How can anyone be saved without the Word of God which is the basis for our faith and our hope in Christ? It sounds like nonsense to me.

Ronnie, reread the chapter where Paul is talking about "hearing the word." I believe it's something different than what you think. Lol.

If you argue that God "Cannot" save someone without a literal "book," you are basically saying that, there is something that is impossible for God. Which would make God, not God. If you catch my drift, lol. ;)

 

[ronniechoate34]

Can you be saved without the Book? 100% absolutely. Lol. :D

Not according to my logic. Since faith comes through hearing the Word of God then the only way it's going to happen has to be by hearing first. How can anyone be saved without the Word of God which is the basis for our faith and our hope in Christ? It sounds like nonsense to me.

Ronnie, reread the chapter where Paul is talking about "hearing the word." I believe it's something different than what you think. Lol.

If you argue that God "Cannot" save someone without a literal "book," you are basically saying that, there is something that is impossible for God. Which would make God, not God. If you catch my drift, lol. ;)

It sounds like nonsense to me. There is no way to know God short of His written revelation to us. Without that it's anybodies guess and people aren't that inclined to give God the attributes that He has been revealed to have.

 

[glorydaz]

The Bible is the living Word of God. It is not just a book.

The Words are Spirit and Life....

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Able to make wise unto salvation...
[quote="2 Timothy 3:15":3nzb3em6]And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Inspired by God....
[quote=" 2 Timothy 3:16":3nzb3em6]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

[/quote:3nzb3em6]

The words Jesus "spoke" came from the Spirit, which is why they were spirit and life. Lol. Only the Spirit can make something alive. If the Spirit shows you something from the Bible, then, it's alive. But the book itself can't do anything on it's own, lol. Take the Spirit away from the book and what do you have? Not much! Except maybe some instructions, lol. The Word then = the Spirit, and not the Book as without the Spirit, the book is just a book. lol.[/quote:3nzb3em6]
If the spirit leaves a man, he is just a dead body. :biglaugh

The Spirit will never leave the book, so it is alive. :yes

A sinful man can pick up a Bible in his motel room drawer, read it, and find life.
Any other book you know that's capable of imparting life?

 

[glorydaz]

agreed and researcher, it is not an inanimate object.

So, the Book can create stuff? lol That would be cool to see, :o

A new creature. It is cool.

 

[glorydaz]

Can you be saved without the Book? 100% absolutely. Lol. :D

Not according to my logic. Since faith comes through hearing the Word of God then the only way it's going to happen has to be by hearing first. How can anyone be saved without the Word of God which is the basis for our faith and our hope in Christ? It sounds like nonsense to me.

Ronnie, reread the chapter where Paul is talking about "hearing the word." I believe it's something different than what you think. Lol.

If you argue that God "Cannot" save someone without a literal "book," you are basically saying that, there is something that is impossible for God. Which would make God, not God. If you catch my drift, lol. ;)

It's the way God chose. Now if we get all our Bibles taken away, men of God had best have the Word of God memorized because preaching the Word is how men come to faith.

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

 

[Joe67]

The written communication is a witness against us. It is the darkness. When the Spirit moves upon the face of the darkness, God speaks, "Let there be...

Gen 1:2-3
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be KJV

It is a two-edged sword. Spirit and truth. This is what our Lord told the woman at the well.

Joe