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For those "not a sheep" . . . what next?

If god created an unjust system, then the blame lies completely at god's door. This isn't "something that can't be understood". It is clear, as I have stated above.

Who are you to decide what is just and unjust?
 
For those not a sheep, then this Matt 25:

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand[ Goats], Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
 
For those not a sheep, then this Matt 25:

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand[ Goats], Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Yeah, and you ALWAYS do these works, right?

Matthew 25:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

The REALITY is that ALL BELIEVERS do in fact DO GOAT WORKS whenever THEY DON'T DO THESE THINGS.

The GOATS will be SEPARATED from BELIEVERS.

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Gods everlasting Kingdom of Glory was prepared for the Sheep and the Sheep prepared for it.

The everlasting puishment of the goats was prepared for them and they for it.
 
Gods everlasting Kingdom of Glory was prepared for the Sheep and the Sheep prepared for it.

The everlasting puishment of the goats was prepared for them and they for it.


Jesus died for whoever has faith in him

Faith makes you a sheep.

Period
 
alab:



Yes what ? Do you understand now that those God made vessels of mercy, never had no danger of going to hell ?


God's vessels of mercy are Christians. We are all born headed for hell until we receive the great gift of salvation that reroutes us to the Kingdom.
 
For those not sheep, they were ordained to condemnation Jude 1:

4For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, that is to be false teachers that turn the grace of God into lasciviousness.

The word ordained is the greek word:

prographō which means to write before !

to write before (of time)

a) of old set forth or designated before hand (in the scriptures of the OT)

2) to depict or portray openly
a) to write before the eyes of all who can read
b) to depict, portray, paint, before the eyes

The word is used to denote what is written in order to determine.

The word is used here as written mk 14:

21The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written [grapho] of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.

This same thing as written by lk reads lk 22:

22And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!

So we the words written and determined used interchangeably.

The word for determined in lk 22:22 is :

horizō:

to define

a) to mark out the boundaries or limits (of any place or thing)

b) to determine, appoint

1) that which has been determined, acc. to appointment, decree

2) to ordain, determine, appoint

So thats the ideal in Jude 1 :4 for the false teachers, they had been determined of old, written in the eternal decree of God, unto their condemnation.

These would be what Paul terms vessels of wrath fitted for destruction..

These people never had a chance at salvation, they were created to be justly punished for their false teaching.

Neither did God Love them, nor did Christ die for them.
 
So thats the ideal in Jude 1 :4 for the false teachers, they had been determined of old, written in the eternal decree of God, unto their condemnation.

These would be what Paul terms vessels of wrath fitted for destruction..

These people never had a chance at salvation, they were created to be justly punished for their false teaching.

Neither did God Love them, nor did Christ die for them.

These people all have the same opportunity for salvation as anyone in the world. The distinction is that God knew they would never receive Jesus, in spite of the love God had for them, and the fact that Jesus died for them.
 
savedbygrace57 may have a point, though.

I mean, for ME, I can't just "believe a concept". Maybe this god has created in me an inability to "believe it". . . . . same as my inability to believe in [for example] Santa Claus.
 
savedbygrace57 may have a point, though.

I mean, for ME, I can't just "believe a concept". Maybe this god has created in me an inability to "believe it". . . . . same as my inability to believe in [for example] Santa Claus.

savedbygrace57 makes no point worthy of your contemplation in this matter.

God has created all men with the ability to know Him. You are your own worst enemy when you put up such contrived defenses against His immense love for you.
 
savedbygrace57 makes no point worthy of your contemplation in this matter.

God has created all men with the ability to know Him. You are your own worst enemy when you put up such contrived defenses against His immense love for you.

"Contrived defenses" like not being able to just believe something written in a book that a lot of others have come to believe in? Could you come to believe that the Quran is god's real book?
 
Crispy Critters -

Do you believe that I, as a person not called to be "a sheep", deserve to be sent to eternal misery in hell?

Sure - although the choice would be yours in the final analysis. There's no evidence that the "Calvinist L" (limited atonement) is a doctrine that holds water. If you WANT to be "right with God" - tell Him about that and ask HIM to "turn your lights on" so that you can see.

If you decide to give God the 1-finger salute and walk away, then you deserve the "fruit" of that decision.

Simple as that.
 
"Contrived defenses" like not being able to just believe something written in a book that a lot of others have come to believe in? Could you come to believe that the Quran is god's real book?

When you have been face to face with the truth, nothing can sway you. The Qu'ran is a comic book in comparison to the Bible.
 
Re: Crispy Critters -

Do you believe that I, as a person not called to be "a sheep", deserve to be sent to eternal misery in hell?

Sure - although the choice would be yours in the final analysis. There's no evidence that the "Calvinist L" (limited atonement) is a doctrine that holds water. If you WANT to be "right with God" - tell Him about that and ask HIM to "turn your lights on" so that you can see.

If you decide to give God the 1-finger salute and walk away, then you deserve the "fruit" of that decision.

Simple as that.


Simply put and true. :thumbsup
 
Re: Crispy Critters -

Do you believe that I, as a person not called to be "a sheep", deserve to be sent to eternal misery in hell?

Sure - although the choice would be yours in the final analysis. There's no evidence that the "Calvinist L" (limited atonement) is a doctrine that holds water. If you WANT to be "right with God" - tell Him about that and ask HIM to "turn your lights on" so that you can see.

If you decide to give God the 1-finger salute and walk away, then you deserve the "fruit" of that decision.

Simple as that.

Perhaps you haven't heard me say this before, but I was a christian for 30 years, and sincerely prayed to hear from the god I thought cared enough for me to listen. I heard nothing in return. Therefore, I had no reason to continue. This isn't, as you so crassly put, "giving god the 1-finger salute". It is a realization that . . . [AND THIS is important]. . . I could not "just believe" based upon someone else's testimony/experience. If god is supernatural, it should rely totally on my OWN ability to "have faith" that it all is even happening to me.

I wish people could understand what I'm saying when I say that. It really gets frustrating at times. I can't REJECT who I've never formally met. . . . and words in a book is not my definition of HAVING met.
 
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