"For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage..."?

[Degas]

If none of it happened...

First of all, it's not "If none of it happened"! None of it happened, it is a fact, I proved it based on the very Bible!

Second of all, I'm not the only one saying Paul lied. Some people already expressed doubts back in the day. Nobody listened to them, that's all. Check out 2 Corinthians 6:8 and Romans 3:7-8.

 

[Edward]

And just so you know, there is no such thing as a 'Third Heaven' and 2 Corinthians 12:2 is a joke: anyone who has been to Heaven knows perfectly well the difference between being in or out of their body plus, just like Jesus points out in Mark 12:25, referring to us 'as angels in Heaven', no one goes to Heaven with a physical body since, obviously, angels have no physical body

This is your witness? The Bible may not say explicitly that we have no body in heaven, but it does say it implicitly all through scripture. Ot and NT. For example: The rich man and Lazarus ring a bell? The rich man had a body in hell and certainly Lazarus did to. How do I know this?

The rich man...could see Lazarus afar off, he could hear them because he talked with Abraham and Lazarus, and apparently got very thirsty! These are all bodily senses my friend.

So paul didn't lie, ok? What it amounts to is, Paul couldn't tell the difference between being in Heaven and being on earth. WHy? Because he felt normal and had all of his senses too.

I've heard all of that anti-Paul stuff that's floating around and it disturbed me so I studied on it for awhile and the deeper into it that I got, the more apparent that it was not true. So don't go latching onto every fable of man without doing your due diligence first. Maybe they can make it sound plausible at first and fool some people but I tell you what, do your homework on it and you'll be able to see that it's a lie. Paul was a good and Godly man.

Is this what Jesus asked you to witness for Him about? That Paul is a liar?

 

[Edward]

First of all, it's not "If none of it happened"! None of it happened, it is a fact, I proved it based on the very Bible!

Second of all, I'm not the only one saying Paul lied. Some people already expressed doubts back in the day. Nobody listened to them, that's all. Check out 2 Corinthians 6:8 and Romans 3:7-8.

You did not. You think you did. And the rela liars have been trying to make Paul out a liar for centuries, even when Paul was still alive on earth. They were circulating false writings of Paul...and Paul talks about it in the Bible to refute their claims! So them trying to discredit Paul for a long time doesn't magically make them factual. So their old lies, so what?

 

[Who Me]

I went to Heaven and Jesus requested me to witness.

Basic christianity is that we test statements by scripture.

You claim to have been to heaven and to have met Jesus there, yet you also claim that Paul lied about how he met Jesus and about an experience he had.

That you claim this, invalidates your testimony.

What you say does not agree with scripture, so what ever your experience wasit was not with Jesus.


If paul lied then everything he wrote is worthless.
If you met with Jesus he would substanciate scripture.

 

[Consecrated Life]

First of all, it's not "If none of it happened"! None of it happened, it is a fact, I proved it based on the very Bible!

Second of all, I'm not the only one saying Paul lied. Some people already expressed doubts back in the day. Nobody listened to them, that's all. Check out 2 Corinthians 6:8 and Romans 3:7-8.

If none of it happened then what was it that turned Paul from a persecutor/tormentor of Christ into a promoter of Christ in your opinion?
It must have been something?


If you are afraid to answer this question just say so and I won't ask any more ?
Thank You .

 

[Degas]

Is this what Jesus asked you to witness for Him about? That Paul is a liar?

I cannot help but say Paul lied since some of his teachings oppose Jesus'. I understand your anger when faced with the ugly truth but it is Paul you should be angry at, not me. Being angry at me only shows you didn't even take the time to look at the facts and meditate them. Is this all the love you have for Jesus? If so, I am done talking to you (Matthew 10:11-14).

If none of it happened then what was it that turned Paul from a persecutor/tormentor of Christ into a promoter of Christ in your opinion?

You don't seem to understand that I'm not giving my opinion. I am stating the truth as Jesus revealed it to me and I certainly don't pretend to know everything. If you want to know Jesus's teachings the way he meant them or if your understanding differs from mine, feel free to ask for clarification. If you want to know what Paul had for lunch on his 46th birthday, don't bother.

What you say does not agree with scripture, so what ever your experience wasit was not with Jesus.

If paul lied then everything he wrote is worthles
If you met with Jesus he would substanciate scripture.

Well, even to the disciples who had been in his presence and who had received his teachings for three years, Jesus said: "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear" (John 16:12). Jesus therefore clearly announced some groundbreaking teachings would be given some day in his name. Obviously, Paul's epistles are not what Jesus was referring to since Paul didn't bring much to Christianity – nothing the disciples wouldn't have been able to handle sixty years earlier, anyway!

Now, how come you don't apply your own comments about substantiating / agreeing with the scriptures to Paul's epistles? Because Paul's obsession with sexual purity certainly doesn't substantiate Jesus' teachings! Plus when Paul wrote something as stupid as "But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?" (Galatians 4:9) thus denying Christian faith twice in a single verse (!), he certainly didn't substantiate the scriptures.

 

[Who Me]

Now, how come you don't apply your own comments about substantiating / agreeing with the scriptures to Paul's epistles?

Because I am challenging you claim to speak more authoratively about scripture than paul.

 

[Degas]

Because I am challenging you claim to speak more authoratively about scripture than paul.

If out of love for Jesus you were searching for the truth, you would challenge Paul as much as you challenge me and you would see who is true to Jesus and who isn't. As per Matthew 10:11-14, I am placing you in my ignore list.

 

[Edward]

I cannot help but say Paul lied since some of his teachings oppose Jesus'. I understand your anger when faced with the ugly truth but it is Paul you should be angry at, not me. Being angry at me only shows you didn't even take the time to look at the facts and meditate them. Is this all the love you have for Jesus? If so, I am done talking to you (Matthew 10:11-14).


You don't seem to understand that I'm not giving my opinion. I am stating the truth as Jesus revealed it to me and I certainly don't pretend to know everything. If you want to know Jesus's teachings the way he meant them or if your understanding differs from mine, feel free to ask for clarification. If you want to know what Paul had for lunch on his 46th birthday, don't bother.



Well, even to the disciples who had been in his presence and who had received his teachings for three years, Jesus said: "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear" (John 16:12). Jesus therefore clearly announced some groundbreaking teachings would be given some day in his name. Obviously, Paul's epistles are not what Jesus was referring to since Paul didn't bring much to Christianity – nothing the disciples wouldn't have been able to handle sixty years earlier, anyway!

Now, how come you don't apply your own comments about substantiating / agreeing with the scriptures to Paul's epistles? Because Paul's obsession with sexual purity certainly doesn't substantiate Jesus' teachings! Plus when Paul wrote something as stupid as "But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?" (Galatians 4:9) thus denying Christian faith twice in a single verse (!), he certainly didn't substantiate the scriptures.

Boy did you call that one wrong! Lol. I'm not angry at you or anyone. I just find it hard to believe how far apart we are in our doctrines. I just ask pointed questions, but all based on scripture . If we serve the same God then how come we aren't learning the same things?

You have posted so much stuff. Revelation's not real, Paul was a liar, Jesus is satan somehow....and on and on. ??

Riddle me this Brother. If Revelation is a lie and Paul was really the enemy to us, then...are you saying that the Word of God is not infallible? Do you not believe The Word of God in it's entirety?

Are you supposing that Almighty God is not capable of getting a good Bible to you in this late age?

 

[Edward]

Paul wrote more than half of the New Testament. I think it's 27 books of it?

So the great Satan was able to get a whole bunch of lies into GOD's book behind God's back so He never could get a good word to me, His servant?

If that's the case and my instruction were all fraught with lies then I'm essentially innocent and deceived, so should still be saved, right? Or is God not fair either?

I'm not mad, but you take a very serious tone and this is all very important so by all means, let's toss this around and see what you do believe. We know now what you don't believe. So what do you believe?

 

[JLB]

Right, I understand that no marriages will occur once in heaven

No marriage supper of the Lamb?

 

[JLB]

There is no such thing as romantic love in Heaven.

No marriage supper of the Lamb and His wife?

 

[JLB]

I never said Paul made it a habit to lie. But I did explain why his alleged visit to the third heaven is a lie. You either hear it or you don't. Now, if you want another example of Paul's lie, read my webpage and check out the proofs that Paul also lied about Jesus appearing to him on the road to Damascus and making him an apostle.

Paul did not write the book of Acts, Luke did under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit?

Do you believe Luke lied about Jesus appearing to Paul?

Do you believe the Holy Spirit would inspire the book of Acts if part of it were a lie?


But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’
“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance.
Acts 26:16-20



JLB

 

[JLB]

no one goes to Heaven with a physical body since, obviously, angels have no physical body

Jesus went to heaven with His body, the same body He ate with and appeared to His disciples with.

 

[Edward]

Jesus went to heaven with His body, the same body He ate with and appeared to His disciples with.

That's right Brother, we will have bodies. Flesh and bone both with senses and even our memories from earth.

Jesus appeared to them behind locked doors and told Thomas, come on, touch me feel me, I am no spirit, I am real.

This was after Jesus's resurection, and if He could dip in and out of rooms through the wall then He had His spiritual body.
...and we know not what form we shall be but we will be as Christ is.

We will have bodies and we will be living on a material earth for all eternity with the Lord in the New Jerusalem, with real streets paved with gold, real mansions. Wearing white robes even! Spirits who have no body have no use of clothes, or crowns for that matter, lol.

But we will also be living a higher plane of existance. There is a Groom and there is a Bride...but t is not a physical relationship. It's intimate but on a spiritual level. You wouldn't want to have sex in Heaven for you will be above that need in the higher plane.

 

[JLB]

Flesh and bone both with senses and even our memories from earth.

And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.” Luke 24:38-39

 

[zeke55]

First of all, it's not "If none of it happened"! None of it happened, it is a fact, I proved it based on the very Bible!

Second of all, I'm not the only one saying Paul lied. Some people already expressed doubts back in the day. Nobody listened to them, that's all. Check out 2 Corinthians 6:8 and Romans 3:7-8.

 

[zeke55]

Paul dealt with milk necessary to try and wake them from looking outside themselves which children's still not able for meat, that teaching does anger them or scare them by secret thoughts that weaken you from hearing the still small voice that your not even really listen to. Judging each other is still flesh and bloods ability which needs what it needs to hear and see, Luke 17: Left a hint for how spirit is working in silence in man still blind to where God and kingdom is. 20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Judging Paul is milk opinions about what Paul was preaching to who and why you can't trust it, only concern for Paul was false gospels by great Men who had to dress and power laws for thinking its salvation which Paul did the same thing when Saul Romans 2: 28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.