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This last antichrist is a continual of a Luciferian system of political, economic, environmental, military, educational and false religious power that even now reigns here on earth and will take its seat in Jerusalem for 3 1/2 years after the seventh trumpet is sounded promising peace, safety and provision as many will take the mark of this beast, Rev 13. Described in Rev 17-18 as mystery Babylon.
As I stated above, if I can see its about this RCC stuff, then everyone else sees it too sister. There is nothing in the bible that says this, you are following something put forth by men. Do you not understand that Rome was overcome by the Church? We gave Rome the Mortal Wound, the Beast is all about Israel, why are you, trying to make "These Beasts" out to be over the Church Age? It makes no sense at all, the Beasts were put forth to be over Israel for 490 years, the death of Christ happened at the 483 year mark, there are only 7 years left until Israel penance is paid. The 1260 days is when Israel get conquered (Dan. 12:7) in the middle of the 70th week or last 7 years left on their penance.
It takes scripture and the history of the four Empires in Daniel 7 to understand that the last Empire has always persecuted to death those who are God's own including the Apostles and since it's deadly wound was healed in 1929 this Empire continues its persecutions making many die a martyr's death and will once again rule over Jerusalem, plus the entire world for 3 1/2 years.
God created every being whether spirit or human.
No. Satan is the seducing spirit.
No. The knowledge of what God said is evil never changes. What God said is good and evil remains constant, it never changes. It's eternal,
That's why we live by faith in what the real Messiah said,
The only people in the Bible making that claim are Satan and those who follow him.
The "pit" isn't a physical location. It's a state of being of trapped, or imprisoned.
Yes I do know why. It's because the "thousand years" is when believers reign over the earth the way Jesus reigned when He physically walked on this earth.
This is why Rev.19 & 20 are the same battle. Rev.19 shows Christ and the saints at war with the beast and his armies. But watch this,
The devils' system of controlling politics, the economy, etc. is through the lust of the flesh, the base or lowest way any person could think. Even lower than a person. Like an animal.
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.The devils' system of controlling politics, the economy, etc. is through the lust of the flesh, the base or lowest way any person could think. Even lower than a person. Like an animal.
Man that is in honour and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish. Psa.49:20 KJV
Satan was originally created in honor and lied to himself about why. It's no different now with all of the evils you cited. School systems no longer honor God, but even the greater influence of a parents on their children is failing for the same reason.
Of course it's not ok, but it will be ok. Until then, help others in the name of our Lord. God is in full command.
It sure does seem like our Savior didn't want us to be afraid,
Right, but the Sword that divides and later slays the unrepentant is the word spoken by Jesus during His ministry
He didn't create Himself, He is eternal, if God is Holy, Love, Hope, Joy and Peace as a Spirit, then the opposite of God is Unholy, Hate, Hopelessness, Bitterness and Chaos, and that is "The Anti-christ/Anti-God spirit that seduced Satan. If you can't grasp that which I am speaking about then I guess we are just at an impasse I am afraid.
No, he's a created being, he's not eternal. The fact its called the anti-christ Spirit AND God is a Spirit ought to clue you in that its an Eternal being that is being spoken about.
And that has absolutely ZERO do do with the point I made or with the fact that the Spirit that is against God is the exact opposite of God.
Again, this has ZERO to do with the fact that Satan was seduced by the Anti-christ spirit. Satan then as a being uses the tools to humanities detriment, just like the Prophets, use the Holy Spirit to our benefit. Everything in this universe was created, that includes Lucifer. By the way, Lucifer had a body, he is not a Spirit per se. We have a Spirit man in us also, but we are not Spirit beings. We need a body to operate in.
Lets see, Paul calls Satan the god of this world.
Sure.....
The 1000 years is the 7th 1000 year so to speak, or the Sabbath 1000 years, why do you think Satan is not cast straight into hell like the A.C. and False Prophet? The Sabbath 1000 years under Jesus condemns him, its his trial, he is proven to be an evil murderer by his 6000 year reign over mankind being juxtaposed against Jesus' 1000 year reign.
No, Rev. 11's 7th Trump, Rev. 14:17-20, Rev. 16:19 a d Rev. 19:17-20 are all the same battle, Rev. 20 is after Jesus' return, and the "Gog and Magog: war is not the real Gog war which comes before Armageddon. Just like the four horses are merely borrowed from Zechariah. Just like Rev. 17 is borrowed from San. chapter 5.
This is only after Jesus' 1000 year reign via what is known as the Kingdom Age.
I have been called unto prophecy 40 years, I am not gong to argue with you about stuff tat has no relevance whatsoever.
I get what you're saying, but holiness, love, joy, etc, are attributes a person has. Those things describe a persons' character.
Sounds like you're saying there's an evil spirit (aside from fallen angels) that has always existed and always will exist. That's not true.
each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. Jas.1:14 NIV
A god that isn't God,
No, but you seem to think God isn't reigning in mercy over wicked humans.
The devil is a god to people who love evil. He's not my God.
But as for me, my feet had almost stumbled;
The Sabbath is Gods' rest, the peace we have knowing Him which no unbeliever can enter.
The A.C and F.P. don't go into the lof before Satan. They all go in together for going to war against our Lord.
The "thousand years" is when Messiah rules in benevolence and conquers His enemies which is what Jesus did and continues to do now.
We who are Spiritually born again from above and indwelled with the Holy Spirit are all called to prophecy as only the Holy Spirit can speak through us to give God's message for what ever purpose He uses us for. If you want to ignore that of Daniel 7-9 and Rev 13-19, and all the scriptures that teach us about the four Empires and put your own twist on what has already been written then it falls on you sir. All four Empires have always persecuted even to death those of faith in God.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
I also see the "rod of iron" as His word. Since creation, nothing had changed in this sense except that His Word became flesh and walked on earth. Look at how Jesus ruled over all Israel, all the people, the temple priests, the scrbes and rabbis', the gentiles and Pontius Pilate. Over every wicked spirt.
Yes and final judgment will come for all later but until then, He's showing God has never changed. He has always shown ample mercy to sinners before their lives ended for rejecting His mercy.
Or their salvation. I'm not disagreeing. I'm just learning that God is way more willing to forgive any sinner than I ever thought.
If one is not prepared for what will take place during the 3 1/2 years then even the elect of God could be fooled into receiving the mark of this beast.
If one is not prepared for what took place during our Lords' 3 1/2 years ministry that is true!
Of course it is, God is a Spirit, Jesus is a Spirit, the Holy Spirit is a Spirit, God gave his son Jesus a body to communicate with men, Jesus was the Man in Linen in Dan. 12, Jesus can be seen in Gen. 18-19. When the two angels destroyed Sodom, a man Abraham called Lord showed up with two angels, they left to go destroy the wicked cities by Jesus stayed and allowed Abraham to dicker with him about the number of righteous it would take to save the city. Check this out, in one verse it says the Lord from "Heaven" sent down fire, so the Lord Jesus was talking unto had a body, and there was a Lord in Heaven, so anytime someone of Judaism says Jesus is not God he does not appear in human form show them Gen. 18 and 19.
Yet when Jesus is ruling mankind will have n o willful sins, there will be sins of omission, but not willful sins, yet as soon as Satan is freed men will follow his lies. The difference is Satan acted upon those desires which are there via the anti-christ/anti-god spirit, and he then seduces mankind by whispering lies. It was Satan who seduced Adam & Eve, but there was no one to seduce him, except for the anti god Spirit, he wanted to be like the most high.
Paul stated he is the god of this world. You do understand he stole the "Birthright" of Adam who was given Dominion over the earth right? No Satan has Dominion unto Jesus takes it back. What did Satan tell Jesus during the temptation? He took him up on a high perch and said see all these Kingdoms? There were "given unto men" and I will give them unto you if you will just bow down and worship me. This world is Satan's domain as we speak, 1 Billion abortions/baby murders is not of God, its of Satan. That is why in John 16:33 Jesus told us we will have continuous tribulation as long as we are on this earth. Jesus said his Kingdom was not of this earth.
One verse will stop this unneeded debate.
Well, we know that, we are not of this world.
Exactly, this whole world will be at peace for 1000 years.
Rev. 20:19 the A.C. & F.P. are cast into the Lake of Fire. Rev. 20 we see Satan is locked into the bottomless pit for 1000 years THEN...........we see this at the 2nd Resurrection.
No, it what happens at the 7th Vial. Jesus is told to sit at the Right Hand of God until.....until I make your enemies your footstool, so its a future event.
Anyone that comes with the RCC stuff, its just not going to be a discussion I will have, its not worthy of discussion sister, you have been led down a path that is not logical. I do not even understand how one gets there tbh. Its something that has been proven false long ago.
Satan himself is the 1st liar,
I told you Jesus rules over all now and always has and always will. Unbelievers have always deluded themselves into thinking God can't be ruling with so much evil in thus world.
Obviously God created angels and humans with the will to choose good or evil.
No. God instructed both Adam and Eve when they left the garden and anyone who understands his teaching knows a believer in Jesus is stronger than Satan.
Satan has dominion until an unbeliever repent. And God said,
there is no truth in him. Jn.8:44 CSB
Rather, it's being revealed that God has always ruled all nations. They're proclaiming a revelation.
No, that's how Satan is locked up for "a thousand" (bound by the gospel.)
A heresy first believed by the Jews and now by NT congregations. His peace is shown to unbelievers, but only experienced after repentance by following Him,
The similarities is the passages you're citing are because the Holy Spirt is using different symbols to describe the same events. In Rev.19, Jesus defeated the beast along with everone who isn't saved by His resurrection, after which the beast and false prophet are judged.
There is nothing logical that is Spiritually given in what is being revealed to many that search for truth. Many of us like discussing this even if we do not always agree with each other, but at least we can be civil and possibly learn something we never understood before.
I would have to say no, because if they were they would have never left their first estate as they are not committed to God.
