from pre-trib to post-trib

[Donovb]

My whole life I have always been a pre-trib guy, well simply because I was always taught that from family and modern day pastors, Perry Stone, John Hagee, Jack Van Impe were my main influences. However after taking someones advice on Christianforums.net, telling me to read the Bible open-minded instead of what you heard your whole life, I did this and came to the conclusion that there is no way there is a pre-trib rapture. First of all, Im a fairly new Christian, Ive always believed in God thanks to my Grandma keeping me involved, but never asked to be saved until this year. So as I started reading and studying the Good Book I came to the conclusion that there it's no pre-trib rapture, and it wasnt very hard to come to that conclusion. Mathew 24 29:31 Mark 13 24:37 and Luke 21 confirmed it for me, as it is lined up perfectly in Revelation, when you see the moon and sun darken and the stars fall, you know that the time is near, its undisputable. If you read the Bible right out tells you these things have to happen before he comes. If you get this than Revelation is very easy to understand. The pre-tribbers always use the thief in the night part of scripture to justify their cause but i believe that scripture is for the unbelievers. Alot of pre-tribbers will read Mark 13 32:37 and come to their conclusion without reading the full message which is 24:37. Also when we come to this conclusion Revelation 4:1 makes no sense as being a rapture. First of all Jesus never descended or a trumpet was never blown, it just says his VOICE was that of a trumpet. There was never a gathering in Revelation 4:1. John was the only one that went up. Another thing i noticed was that John went up in spirit, which seemed odd. When God calls us up we will be in bodily form and we will be changed into our glorious bodies when we go up. Another thing that caught me off was that, if he went to Heaven why did he come back? I think when he went up in spirit, he literally just went up in spirit to tell about things hereafter as stated in Revelation 4:1. Have you ever said i wasnt there but i was there in spirit? Well i believe this is literally the same thing. If he was there in spirit than he would of been dead, just like the spirits when opening the 5th seal in Revelation, waiting for the rapture to be reunited with their bodies when they are raised from the dead. I also realized the full tribulation is not Gods wrath, Gods wrath starts at the 7th seal, and were out of here by then. The previous seals were man on man wars. Proof that being just read where the spirits under the alter were talking to Jesus asking him how much Longer until he brings Judgement on the earth, and he tells them to wait a little more season.

I know this is long but I always thought there was a pre-trib. And now after doing my own research and reading scripture with an open mind, it all makes sense. God Bless and Thanks for the good advice.

Donovb

 

[Kathi]

A really good place for this post would be end-times.

 

[reba]

Donovb,
Your account reads just about like mine... Asking to be able to hear what he Scriptures say fresh and new.... discarding a life time of accepting this teaching or that teacher... can be difficult ....It was for me...

 

[Donovb]

Man I should of proof read before posting that, lots of misspells, typed it on my phone

 

[reba]

Some folks just say typed on my phone.. kinda covers it...

 

[Willie T]

Isn't it interesting that you concluded the reason for the book of Revelation is just what the book of Revelation SAID it was for? Funny how the Bible works like that........ IF we let it.

 

[Kathi]

My whole life I have always been a pre-trib guy, well simply because I was always taught that from family and modern day pastors, Perry Stone, John Hagee, Jack Van Impe were my main influences. However after taking someones advice on Christianforums.net, telling me to read the Bible open-minded instead of what you heard your whole life, I did this and came to the conclusion that there is no way there is a pre-trib rapture. First of all, Im a fairly new Christian, Ive always believed in God thanks to my Grandma keeping me involved, but never asked to be saved until this year. So as I started reading and studying the Good Book I came to the conclusion that there it's no pre-trib rapture, and it wasnt very hard to come to that conclusion. Mathew 24 29:31 Mark 13 24:37 and Luke 21 confirmed it for me, as it is lined up perfectly in Revelation, when you see the moon and sun darken and the stars fall, you know that the time is near, its undisputable. If you read the Bible right out tells you these things have to happen before he comes. If you get this than Revelatin is very easy to understand. The pre-tribbers always use the thief in the night part of scripture to justify their cause but i believe that that scripture is for the unbelievers. Alot of pre-tribbers will read Mark 13 32:37 and come to their conclusion without reading the full message which is 24:37. Also when we come to this conclusion Revelation 4:1 makes no sense as being a rapture. First of all Jesus never descended or a trumpet was never been, it just says his VOICE war that of a trumpet. There was never a gathering in Revelation 4:1. John was the only one that went up. Another thing i noticed we that John went up in spirit, which seemed odd. When God calls us up we will be in bodily form and we will be changed into our glorious body when we go up. Another thing 51st caught me off war that, of he went to Heaven why did he come back? I think when he went up in spirit, he literally just went up in spirit to tell about things hereafter as stated in Revelation 4:1. Have you ever said i wasnt there but i was there in spirit? Well i believe this is literally the same thing. If he was there in spirit than he would of been dead, just like the spirits when opening the 5th seal in Revelation, waiting for the rapture to be reunited with their bodies when they are raised from the dead. I also realized the full tribulation is not Gods wrath, Gods wrath starts at the 7th seal, and were out of here by then. The previous seals were man on man wars. Proof that being just read where the spirits under the alter were talking to Jesus asking him how much Longer until he brings Judgement on the earth, and he tells them to wait a little more season.

I know this is long but this is but my whole life I always thought one way, and now after doing my own research and reading scripture with an open mind, it all makes sense. God Bless and Thanks for the good advice.

Donovb

Only one person's interpretation.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

My whole life I have always been a pre-trib guy, well simply because I was always taught that from family and modern day pastors, Perry Stone, John Hagee, Jack Van Impe were my main influences. However after taking someones advice on Christianforums.net, telling me to read the Bible open-minded instead of what you heard your whole life, I did this and came to the conclusion that there is no way there is a pre-trib rapture. First of all, Im a fairly new Christian, Ive always believed in God thanks to my Grandma keeping me involved, but never asked to be saved until this year. So as I started reading and studying the Good Book I came to the conclusion that there it's no pre-trib rapture, and it wasnt very hard to come to that conclusion. Mathew 24 29:31 Mark 13 24:37 and Luke 21 confirmed it for me, as it is lined up perfectly in Revelation, when you see the moon and sun darken and the stars fall, you know that the time is near, its undisputable. If you read the Bible right out tells you these things have to happen before he comes. If you get this than Revelatin is very easy to understand. The pre-tribbers always use the thief in the night part of scripture to justify their cause but i believe that that scripture is for the unbelievers. Alot of pre-tribbers will read Mark 13 32:37 and come to their conclusion without reading the full message which is 24:37. Also when we come to this conclusion Revelation 4:1 makes no sense as being a rapture. First of all Jesus never descended or a trumpet was never been, it just says his VOICE war that of a trumpet. There was never a gathering in Revelation 4:1. John was the only one that went up. Another thing i noticed we that John went up in spirit, which seemed odd. When God calls us up we will be in bodily form and we will be changed into our glorious body when we go up. Another thing 51st caught me off war that, of he went to Heaven why did he come back? I think when he went up in spirit, he literally just went up in spirit to tell about things hereafter as stated in Revelation 4:1. Have you ever said i wasnt there but i was there in spirit? Well i believe this is literally the same thing. If he was there in spirit than he would of been dead, just like the spirits when opening the 5th seal in Revelation, waiting for the rapture to be reunited with their bodies when they are raised from the dead. I also realized the full tribulation is not Gods wrath, Gods wrath starts at the 7th seal, and were out of here by then. The previous seals were man on man wars. Proof that being just read where the spirits under the alter were talking to Jesus asking him how much Longer until he brings Judgement on the earth, and he tells them to wait a little more season.

I know this is long but this is but my whole life I always thought one way, and now after doing my own research and reading scripture with an open mind, it all makes sense. God Bless and Thanks for the good advice.

Donovb

Very interesting.
But don't stop now.
Keep going.
Tell us what Revelation says about God's people, the church.
What will they be doing during the tribulation?

 

[Kathi]

Revelation 22:18-19 18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[jasonc]

Revelation 22:18-19 18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

so those that didn't know that fact of proper interpretation are false prophets?

so that would mean we should be all catholics. martin luther and calvin weren't pre tribbers at all.

 

[jasonc]

so those that didn't know that fact of proper interpretation are false prophets?

so that would mean we should be all catholics. martin luther and calvin weren't pre tribbers at all.

I have tried not to add my commentary here when I post end times, I find that to be impossible. one cant read any part of the verses on eschatology without doing some of that.

ie clear verses on the shabat never ending. so that means the law is forever? hmm ok?

 

[Kathi]

so those that didn't know that fact of proper interpretation are false prophets?

so that would mean we should be all catholics. martin luther and calvin weren't pre tribbers at all.

It means exactly how it reads.

 

[jasonc]

It means exactly how it reads.

so why aren't you catholic? there is NO verse called solo scriptura in the bible. solo fide and that is also from a false prophet. do you listen to the things you post and contemplate that to its extensions?

the bible says what about false prophets?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Ecclesiastes 12:8;

 

[Kathi]

so why aren't you catholic? there is NO verse called solo scriptura in the bible. solo fide and that is also from a false prophet. do you listen to the things you post and contemplate that to its extensions?

the bible says what about false prophets?

You have read the words and they have been imprinted on your brain.It is your choice what you do with those words.

 

[Donovb]

Kathi is that directed at me?

 

[Kathi]

Kathi is that directed at me?

It is directed at everyone.Is sounds like a pretty harsh warning to me.I definitely would not ignore those words.

 

[Donovb]

We all interpret the Bible differently, see things differently, interpret things differently. Does not make them a false prophet. Im sorry but if that was the case we all would be false prophets lol. God Bless

 

[Kathi]

We all interpret the Bible differently, see things differently, interpret things differently. Does not make them a false prophet. Im sorry but if that was the case we all would be false prophets lol. God Bless

If we do not interpret the Bible literally how is anyone to understand it?Did God intend the Bible to have a dozen interpretations?

 

[Donovb]

I did interpret literally to the best of my knowledge. Sorry if you don't agree. Were all different!!! Sorry to disappoint. ;(