from pre-trib to post-trib

[Willie T]

If we do not interpret the Bible literally how is anyone to understand it?Did God intend the Bible to have a dozen interpretations?

You don't seem to be able to answer Luke 14:26. Yet you post a statement like that?

 

[Kathi]

You don't seem to be able to answer Luke 14:26. Yet you post a statement like that?

There is nothing wrong with my statement.God did not intend for Scripture to be anything other than understood literally.

 

[jasonc]

You have read the words and they have been imprinted on your brain.It is your choice what you do with those words.

again, if were to take it your way, Catholicism here we come.false prophets came up with solo fide and also solo scriptura. what does the bible say to do with those? have nothing to do with them.

 

[jasonc]

You don't seem to be able to answer Luke 14:26. Yet you post a statement like that?

literal is how they define it, not what it actually means. ie this isn't literal, and the stars fought against sisera in their courses, but this is literal, and a star fell from the sky and third of the men died and waters became bitter.

 

[Willie T]

Has anyone ever considered that, as I understand it, there is no "star" that is not hundreds of times bigger than the size of the Earth? Yet a star falling (never mind that it would not "fall" to the Earth), is going to only contaminate selected bodies of water?

 

[jasonc]

Has anyone ever considered that, as I understand it, there is no "star" that is not hundreds of times bigger than the size of the Earth? Yet a star falling (never mind that it would not "fall" to the Earth), is going to only contaminate selected bodies of water?

I have noticed that clearly when I took the goggles of scofield off.I wanted to defend this stuff without a commentary if its so obvious and yet its not.That is why I said its impossible not to use some commentary in the methods of study. why reinvent the wheel?

 

[reba]

Hitch has the family 1909 Scofield Bible... Interesting how he changed his notes after he died..

 

[Malachi]

So as I started reading and studying the Good Book I came to the conclusion that there it's no pre-trib rapture, and it wasnt very hard to come to that conclusion. Mathew 24 29:31 Mark 13 24:37 and Luke 21 confirmed it for me
Sorry unable to post this as a quote (technical glitch).

When one reads those three chapters, it is quite clear that the Church is not even mentioned. One reads of the elect in these chapters, but not of the Church, and Scripture shows that elect applies to several persons or groups. Hence Scripture must be interpreted in context and compared with other Scripture. The Rapture is not mentioned in these three chapters, neither is it mentioned in Revelation. Does that automatically mean that there is no pre-tribulational Rapture.

Evidently you need to do a little more study, tying in the Day of the Lord and the Revelation prophecies. The Day of the Lord is the time of wrath. And Christians are not appointed to wrath, but unto salvation.

Today there is tremendous opposition to a pre-tribulation pre-millenial Rapture. It is easy for Christians to be pressured into accepting this propaganda. I say propaganda because you simply will not find the Rapture in the book of Revelation, yet passages are twisted and turned to extract the Rapture out of the wrath of God.

 

[jasonc]

So as I started reading and studying the Good Book I came to the conclusion that there it's no pre-trib rapture, and it wasnt very hard to come to that conclusion. Mathew 24 29:31 Mark 13 24:37 and Luke 21 confirmed it for me
Sorry unable to post this as a quote (technical glitch).

When one reads those three chapters, it is quite clear that the Church is not even mentioned. One reads of the elect in these chapters, but not of the Church, and Scripture shows that elect applies to several persons or groups. Hence Scripture must be interpreted in context and compared with other Scripture. The Rapture is not mentioned in these three chapters, neither is it mentioned in Revelation. Does that automatically mean that there is no pre-tribulational Rapture.

Evidently you need to do a little more study, tying in the Day of the Lord and the Revelation prophecies. The Day of the Lord is the time of wrath. And Christians are not appointed to wrath, but unto salvation.

Today there is tremendous opposition to a pre-tribulation pre-millenial Rapture. It is easy for Christians to be pressured into accepting this propaganda. I say propaganda because you simply will not find the Rapture in the book of Revelation, yet passages are twisted and turned to extract the Rapture out of the wrath of God.

odd, most churches I have attended are in fact pretrib in belief. while my demonation doesn't have that as a sof my pastor teaches it.
a list of churches that I have attended at least once that are in fact pre trib.
1) world on fire revival
2) first church of god
3) winter beach church of god
4) vero beach Christian and missionary alliance
5) vero beach calvary chapel
6) kings Baptist church
7) central assembly of god
8) treasure coast assembly of god
9) twentieth ave church of god.

there is more that I have attended but never got their position on that

 

[Donovb]

Ya every church Ive ever been to has been a pre-trib church. Malachi thats all I do is study the Bible, literally 4-5 hours a day. So its definitely not a lack of not studying the Bible. I think the literal scripture to me is obvious, Im sorry. God Bless

 

[Malachi]

odd, most churches I have attended are in fact pretrib in belief.

Jason,
I know what you're saying and I agree that there are plenty of churches and Christian fellowships that hold to a pre-tribulation Rapture. What I'm talking about is propaganda such as this:

The Biggest Threat to Christians is the Teaching of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture

I won't post their website, since I have no interest in such nonsense.
One would imagine from such propaganda that our belief is a fatal virus like ebola.

 

[Malachi]

Ya every church Ive ever been to has been a pre-trib church. Malachi thats all I do is study the Bible, literally 4-5 hours a day. So its definitely not a lack of not studying the Bible. I think the literal scripture to me is obvious, Im sorry. God Bless

OK, donovb,

Since you are such a dligent student of the Word, show me in those three chapters (the Olivet Discourse) or in the book of Revelation where it clearly shows the Church leaving this earth to met the Lord in the air after the resurrection of all the saints.

If you are unable to prove this with chapter and verse, you should go back to the drawing board. There is no shame in admitting to yourself (not to the world or the people on this forum) that you were mistaken.

 

[Willie T]

My church (The Vineyard), evolved from The Calvary Chapel, and they (CC) are pre-trib. Most Vineyards are post-trib. But our specific congregation is mostly "no-trib.".

 

[Malachi]

But our specific congregation is mostly "no-trib.".

That's wishful thinking, my friend.

 

[Willie T]

Not really, just Biblical reading.

 

[Donovb]

I'm not going to get into a big discussion or argument, as I believe your looking for, I told you these are my beliefs, but if I'm reading your question correctly, your still talking of a pre-trib(modern church secret rapture) with no scripture to back it up. I clearly explained in detail why I think the way I do in my first post. The saints are not leaving before the church is called up. The elect is all the believers, the body of Christ. Mathew 24:30, Mark 13:26 and Luke 21:27 tells you that the son of man descends in the clouds, clearly. There its no scripture or no mention of Jesus descending or gathering of anyone or no trumpet(just the voice of a trumpet) the dead are not raised anywhere in Revelation 4:1 See previous posts, I already answered these questions. Please refrain from attacking me my friend, this is just how i read it, I respect your views but I dont agree, thats it. God Bless

 

[jeff77]

I don't even know if my church is pre-trib, post trib or mid trib? It is a Baptist church BTW.

 

[Willie T]

I don't even know if my church is pre-trib, post trib or mid trib? It is a Baptist church BTW.

That is probably VERY smart. I commend you for keeping your focus where it belongs.

 

[Willie T]

I believe the most grievous part of teaching about some sort of escapism RAPTURE where Christians bail out, and leave "all those heathens" to their fate because they are all going to burn in Hell, anyway, is that (even if subconsciously) we can begin to neglect the Great Commission... thereby not doing as Christ told us to do, spreading His gospel and increasing His kingdom.

 

[jasonc]

Jason,
I know what you're saying and I agree that there are plenty of churches and Christian fellowships that hold to a pre-tribulation Rapture. What I'm talking about is propaganda such as this:

I won't post their website, since I have no interest in such nonsense.
One would imagine from such propaganda that our belief is a fatal virus like ebola.

I wouldn't say that more like erroneous teaching that has no salvinical bearing. billy graham's grandson isn't a pretribber or futurist at all and he says its just a side debate. he does teach why futurism is wrong but isn't like that.