Bible Study From the beginning...

[Nathan]

Ok. So I feel a little bit hypocritical here, I should be devoting my time in the thread I have already started. However, I do plan on continuing there in the near future, but I also have this thought that confronted me today that I thought might not take much to discuss and glean some thoughts off you guys/gals.

Mat 19:8 He said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.

Mat 19:9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.

I know what Jesus meant by saying "from the beginning", but how does it relate to the following phrase He said? The two are obviously linked. Does He mean that the one who divorces his wife live in continual adultery? It seems as though the disciples took it very, very, VERY seriously with their response of;

Mat 19:10 The disciples said to him, "If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry."

I know where my mind automatically goes when I hear the phrase "from the beginning", and I know that there is someone who will answer this the way that I am thinking right now. But what are others thoughts on this also? Is Jesus giving us insight into the "eternal law", the law apart from Moses commandments?

This, after all, is Jesus talking. He specifically discounts Moses 'law' and Moses 'loopholes', and directly states that from the beginning it was set up that a man should be with his wife for all time, and if he divorces her and marries again, commits adultery.

So this is a two part question:

1) Does this point to the "Eternal Law"?

2) Does this mean a continual life of adultery as long as he remains married to someone else than his first wife?

 

[jasoncran]

he meant that originally ere the fall men wouldnt have divorced. but since deutromony 24 when the isrealites would sin and divorce Moses gave the means to which rules it could be done by setting limits to what the reasons had to be and if the could remarry(then they couldnt it was done).

 

[Adstar]

Ok. So I feel a little bit hypocritical here, I should be devoting my time in the thread I have already started. However, I do plan on continuing there in the near future, but I also have this thought that confronted me today that I thought might not take much to discuss and glean some thoughts off you guys/gals.

Mat 19:8 He said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.

Mat 19:9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.

If you divorce your former wife for any reason other than sexual immorality then as far as God is concerned your still married to the woman you divorced. No legal signed piece of paper from the world's law system makes a jot of differance to the Message of God.

The Scripture is saying that once you marry another woman (you would be having a sexual relation with that new wife) then you would be comitting adultry.

I know what Jesus meant by saying "from the beginning", but how does it relate to the following phrase He said? The two are obviously linked. Does He mean that the one who divorces his wife live in continual adultery? It seems as though the disciples took it very, very, VERY seriously with their response of;

Mat 19:10 The disciples said to him, "If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry."

I know where my mind automatically goes when I hear the phrase "from the beginning", and I know that there is someone who will answer this the way that I am thinking right now. But what are others thoughts on this also? Is Jesus giving us insight into the "eternal law", the law apart from Moses commandments?

This, after all, is Jesus talking. He specifically discounts Moses 'law' and Moses 'loopholes', and directly states that from the beginning it was set up that a man should be with his wife for all time, and if he divorces her and marries again, commits adultery.

Except when he divorces his wife because of sexual immorality.

So this is a two part question:

1) Does this point to the "Eternal Law"?

I think it does.

2) Does this mean a continual life of adultery as long as he remains married to someone else than his first wife?

Yes. except where the first divorce was caused by His wifes sexual immorality.

There is other justification given by Paul for divorce. That is where a non-believing husband or wife wants to be divorced from their believing partner.



All Praise The Ancient Of Days

 

[Chris]

Last time I studied this I thought it had something to do with dressing the ability for a husband to be able to write your wife a letter of divorce and move on at will. Maybe at that time it was for women's rights a bit and something that needed addressing in thier society.

 

[jasoncran]

adstar that presents a problem then as some husbands beat their wifes and wont change or are in prison for the rest of their lives.

i do think God can change those but THEY have to want to change and to tell the other party that they have to remain married to a rapist and or predator(as was the case with my wife's ex)is a bit over the top.

i am married to an unbeliever and nearly divorced her, as i sought what to do. The lord rebuked me for that he pointed to me as part of the problem. while she isnt with me in church our marriage has improved.

as i learned that Love is lot more then what i thought. I have much to learn.

drug use on her part was the reason i almost left her. That changed.

i also had porn issues in my life. that is gone.

it takes two stay and two to leave.

 

[Elijah674]

Ok. So I feel a little bit hypocritical here, I should be devoting my time in the thread I have already started. However, I do plan on continuing there in the near future, but I also have this thought that confronted me today that I thought might not take much to discuss and glean some thoughts off you guys/gals.

Mat 19:8 He said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.

Mat 19:9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.

I know what Jesus meant by saying "from the beginning", but how does it relate to the following phrase He said? The two are obviously linked. Does He mean that the one who divorces his wife live in continual adultery? It seems as though the disciples took it very, very, VERY seriously with their response of;

Mat 19:10 The disciples said to him, "If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry."

I know where my mind automatically goes when I hear the phrase "from the beginning", and I know that there is someone who will answer this the way that I am thinking right now. But what are others thoughts on this also? Is Jesus giving us insight into the "eternal law", the law apart from Moses commandments?

This, after all, is Jesus talking. He specifically discounts Moses 'law' and Moses 'loopholes', and directly states that from the beginning it was set up that a man should be with his wife for all time, and if he divorces her and marries again, commits adultery.

So this is a two part question:

1) Does this point to the "Eternal Law"?

2) Does this mean a continual life of adultery as long as he remains married to someone else than his first wife?

Hi young'in! This is no shallow 'doctrine' as 'i' see it. Eternal Law?? First off, to him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to [him] (her) it is sin. 1 John 3:4's Eternal Law.

And if one breaks only one commandment?? James 2:8-12. So, as I see it, most need not worry about it until they are ready for FULL ACCEPTENCE OF CHRIST. Matt. 28:20's Covenant. In other words (mine) I do not see the ones of Rev. 17:1-5 commiting the sin against the Holy Ghost with just physical adultery, but it is an over & over again spiritually adultery process against Grieving of the Holy Spirit. And many of these are found in Rev. 18:4 before it is all finished. And Inspiration said what?? 1 Cor. 6:9-12 never mentions adultery as the sin against the Holy Ghost! In fact these mentioned are all seen in past/tense, but now WASHED!!

OK: But I am not a liberal Believer either! Yet it took the Lord quite a spell before Israel was as a nation seen divorced. Matt. 23:38. (see Hosea 3 & Amos 3:1-2) And Amos 5:1-3 finds... 'The House of Israel [IS FALLEN].' And most know what the PLUMBLINE in chapter 7 means with the additional Inspired Words of.. 'I WILL NOT AGAIN PASS BY THEM ANY MORE.' + verse 9.

That is only a couple of thoughts just so far! Now: There are spiritual 'types' of sin that are surely adultary as well. And I do not care to get into that for it just about always turns into satan's slim/pit!

So, what 'church' has not committed spiritual adultery for well past any 120 years of the Holy Spirits Striving with her? If one BELIEVES GOD, that is?? You ask anyone if they believe that their 'attending church' has Virgin Doctrines & see what they tell you? Eph. 4:5 has it [ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM]. (not one [having faith) Yet, see Rev. 12:17 for Christ marks of IDENTIFICATION.

Finally! Acts 7-8 & chapter 9 finds when one is ready for baptism. And it is then that these chapters satanic workings were all burried! (check Acts 9:4-6 & then ibide. 18) And take a moment for thought of what Saul heard while listening to Stevens chapter 7's LAST TESTIMONY, & what effect the Holy Ghost had on Saul as Christ tel's us in Acts 9:5?

--Elijah

And NO, Christ wanted Marriage to be for a lifetime along with Eternal life!!

 

[Adstar]

adstar that presents a problem then as some husbands beat their wifes and wont change or are in prison for the rest of their lives.

Oh i do not support wives staying with abusive husbands. I believe they should separate. But separation is not the same as divorce. One divorces to open they way for one to have the freedom to marry another. So a wife being abused should sperate from her husband. Later reconciliation can be tried. If that fails then they should remain separated.

i do think God can change those but THEY have to want to change and to tell the other party that they have to remain married to a rapist and or predator(as was the case with my wife's ex)is a bit over the top.

Well in the case you have mentioned, you describe your wifes former husband as being guilty of rape. Rape as far as i am concerned is an extreme form of sexual immorality. So therefore your wife’s divorce from such a man is justified by the Words of Jesus. So in no way would i be telling a woman she should remain with a rapists or a child molester or an adulterer.

i am married to an unbeliever and nearly divorced her, as i sought what to do. The lord rebuked me for that he pointed to me as part of the problem. while she isnt with me in church our marriage has improved.

Good. Paul said if the unbelieving Wife or husband wishes to remain married then a Christian should remain married to them. It is when the unbelieving partner wants divorce, that’s when divorce is sanctioned as ok by Paul.

as i learned that Love is lot more then what i thought. I have much to learn.

drug use on her part was the reason i almost left her. That changed.

i also had porn issues in my life. that is gone.

it takes two stay and two to leave.

Great to hear it I hope you and your wife have a blessed future together.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

 

[Elijah674]

Ok. So I feel a little bit hypocritical here, I should be devoting my time in the thread I have already started. However, I do plan on continuing there in the near future, but I also have this thought that confronted me today that I thought might not take much to discuss and glean some thoughts off you guys/gals.

Mat 19:8 He said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.

Mat 19:9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.

I know what Jesus meant by saying "from the beginning", but how does it relate to the following phrase He said? The two are obviously linked. Does He mean that the one who divorces his wife live in continual adultery? It seems as though the disciples took it very, very, VERY seriously with their response of;

Mat 19:10 The disciples said to him, "If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry."

I know where my mind automatically goes when I hear the phrase "from the beginning", and I know that there is someone who will answer this the way that I am thinking right now. But what are others thoughts on this also? Is Jesus giving us insight into the "eternal law", the law apart from Moses commandments?

This, after all, is Jesus talking. He specifically discounts Moses 'law' and Moses 'loopholes', and directly states that from the beginning it was set up that a man should be with his wife for all time, and if he divorces her and marries again, commits adultery.

So this is a two part question:

1) Does this point to the "Eternal Law"?

2) Does this mean a continual life of adultery as long as he remains married to someone else than his first wife?

Hey, I have missed you. But I think that you understand that God did not creat his creation being lawless! And God did indeed speak with His own person to pearso up to the Mount Sinai. Here below is some documentation on that truth given to Issac long into the past why He called Abe in the first place. And take note that none of these were Moses laws. (verse 5)
Gen.26

[1] And there was a famine in the land, beside the first famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went unto Abimelech king of the Philistines unto Gerar.
[2] And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:
[3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
[4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
[5] [Because that Abraham obeyed] [my voice], and [kept my charge], [my commandments], [my statutes], and [my laws.]
(even read Gen. 12:1-5!)

--Elijah