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Fuel Cell Technology

The commercial charging stations fast charge...they have 277 or 480 volts going in and can get you 90%+ of a full charge in an hour. (At least that's the claim)
A small transformer at home can boost the voltage for you...or a conversion kit can let you use a regular wall plug. (And take considerably longer)

The big issue is replacing the batteries every two years or so. (A huge expense) and the charging inverters do go bad about every 5 years or so. (All diodes have a shelf life not dependant on use...and transistors are diodes...some do last longer than others but the type used for chargers definitely won't)

So...the maintenance on these trucks is something to look at...but now not out of reach for commercial use. If the reliability and costs can be in line...then it isn't out of the question for them to be a fleet vehicle.
 
A diode ,and a transistor are two differebt things ,cars use diodes for lights ,to control voltage ,to invert a.c. to pulsed dc.
A transitor is a type of switch in that its turned on by grounding it ,or by removing its ground.its a positive,negative,positive on,the wafer or negative,positive ,negative .cars use the former.

Lights are duty cycled by transistors ,and many things ,
 
jasonc said:
A diode ,and a transistor are two differebt things ,cars use diodes for lights ,to control voltage ,to invert a.c. to pulsed dc.
A transitor is a type of switch in that its turned on by grounding it ,or by removing its ground.its a positive,negative,positive on,the wafer or negative,positive ,negative .cars use the former.

Lights are duty cycled by transistors ,and many things ,
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NPN or PNP....vx NP
Ain't much difference for these doped silicon layers when it comes to the chemical reaction that happens over time.
 
Two years for a battery ,man they can keep that
 
jasonc said:
Two years for a battery ,man they can keep that
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Ok...
Look at it this way.
Avg truck will burn through a tank of gas every two weeks costing $50.
Same Electric truck (extra batteries) will need a charge on a similar schedule costing $8.

Gas truck $1300 per year in gas plus a couple of oil changes.

Electric truck $400 per year...no oil changes because it has no oil.

After 2 years the batteries will need to be changed for new ones costing around $2400-$3500. All depending upon the number of charges and use. Possibly a new charging inverter after 4 years...plus other minor things that will need maintenance and repair.

That pretty much is a wash in cost effective efficiency. Meaning that if the performance is similar... owning a $50K Electric truck is affordable.

Now comes the trouble...
Batteries that are done...what do you do with them? On a massive scale?
 
JohnDB said:
Ok...
Look at it this way.
Avg truck will burn through a tank of gas every two weeks costing $50.
Same Electric truck (extra batteries) will need a charge on a similar schedule costing $8.

Gas truck $1300 per year in gas plus a couple of oil changes.

Electric truck $400 per year...no oil changes because it has no oil.

After 2 years the batteries will need to be changed for new ones costing around $2400-$3500. All depending upon the number of charges and use. Possibly a new charging inverter after 4 years...plus other minor things that will need maintenance and repair.

That pretty much is a wash in cost effective efficiency. Meaning that if the performance is similar... owning a $50K Electric truck is affordable.

Now comes the trouble...
Batteries that are done...what do you do with them? On a massive scale?
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Large tires ,1200 bucks ,I see the prices ,even on my Tacoma for a set its 600.brakes can run up to 1000 or more on trucks .is said prices including labor or just parts,factor in 130 to 120 per hour install of that battery .

In a six year loan ,i would have an additional 10 percebt on batteries .a diesel ,not even close ,one set ,most own batteries get 6 years .I,got 5 on,my ford ranger one .fleets depending on if they are big enough might not get that much of a price drop from,a store .
 
I can afford a car that's nearky half the cost of my house .I would forgo that .
 
jasonc said:
I can afford a car that's nearky half the cost of my house .I would forgo that .
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Well duh, I don't buy new ones either.
Too much depreciation and cost.

But that they might show up as a fleet vehicle that we might drive is still a good possibility. Whether we buy a used one or not...
 
JohnDB said:
Well duh, I don't buy new ones either.
Too much depreciation and cost.

But that they might show up as a fleet vehicle that we might drive is still a good possibility. Whether we buy a used one or not...
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Even used I wouldn't buy that .still gonna borrow for that and and buy batteries and a charger in the term of that loan .I can't simply buy the stuff to pull a heavy battery just to do it once every two years.
 
Real Clear Energy said:
Even after counting savings on fuel, EVs cost about $5,000 more over their lifetimes than internal combustion cars. Drivers are also turned off by the inconvenience of EVs’ short ranges and long recharge times.
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The subsidies on GM and Tesla electric cars are set to phase out in 2020. Will people still buy them without the subsidies?

Also consider that electric doesn't contribute to road maintenance. If people switch, there is currently no way to maintain the road system.

Still, cities with a lot of smog may mandate them within their borders. Voters in cities want clean air.
 
Michael74 said:
The subsidies on GM and Tesla electric cars are set to phase out in 2020. Will people still buy them without the subsidies?

Also consider that electric doesn't contribute to road maintenance. If people switch, there is currently no way to maintain the road system.

Still, cities with a lot of smog may mandate them within their borders. Voters in cities want clean air.
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I hadn't thought of that...but you are right...at least in TN all gasoline and diesel taxes has to go to roads. (Constitution required) but if there isn't any taxes collected or a reduced amount is collected then the money that repairs the roads is reduced...and then the potholes grow.

In other states gas taxes just go into a general fund...but a lot of them are set up like TN is
 
Michael74 said:
The subsidies on GM and Tesla electric cars are set to phase out in 2020. Will people still buy them without the subsidies?

Also consider that electric doesn't contribute to road maintenance. If people switch, there is currently no way to maintain the road system.

Still, cities with a lot of smog may mandate them within their borders. Voters in cities want clean air.
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Yes there is .simply as already done in,California tax the odometer.you pay a mileage rate .
 
I'm not too keen in the idea of dirty air in,the. U.s from gas ,and diesel .

I have asthma ,got it in,Afghanistan.it possible from the dust ,or the burn pit.if a tiny bit like that as ours burned daily and it wasn't scrubbed ,plenty of Americans after the regulations should be having cops,asthma and other things from it.

My asthma can be triggered by laughter ,pot smoke ,nicotine smoke,concrete cutting ,plain old running ,and also pollen .

I have been to large congested cities and didn't get the severe reactions .i have read a meter in the middle of a concrete cloud plume at a house and plant .the mixer was above the demand meter .

Overseas ,where in India its a different problem ,coal used plants like cng uses scrubbers and well big blue was out away and it was later in built around .same is happening with st.lucie one and two and nuke plant ,and the coal plant near 528.so its a trad off for electric .never mind non potable water if you share water with a lithium and other mines.
 
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