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Fundies Say the Darndest Things!

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Fundies Say the Darndest Things!

http://www.fstdt.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page



"This is a massive Internet archive containing selected excerpts of many hilarious, ignorant, bigoted, bizarre, and terrifying posts written by fundies on online message boards."

http://www.fstdt.com/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ



"What is a "Fundie"?
As WinAce put it:

Fun•die Pronunciation Key (FUN-dee)

A usually religious person or entity characterized by one or more of the following: an extreme lack of rationality, fondness of logical fallacies, repeated use of emotional appeals, rigid adherence to Bronze Age mythology, endorsement of pseudoscientific nonsense, opposition to the First Amendment, bigotry and discriminatory attitudes towards minority groups, belief that certain children's media is the work of Satan, and propensity to post Bible verses instead of valid argument.

It should be noted that one can be religious--even a fundamentalist--but not actually attain the vaunted status of "fundie," which needs that special touch only people fitting stereotypical caricatures can provide. Additionally, religion is technically not even a pre-requisite for this, although blind adherence to its ideologies (and those of politics) is perhaps the #1 source of fundies in the universe. Rigid, arrogant, "know-it-all-and-confidently-force-it-on-everyone-else" authoritarian strains of both amplify the propensity to fundyism, while more moderate, "this-seems-like-a-good-idea-but-might-be-wrong, so-let's-not-be-total-jackasses-about-it" varieties can keep it in check or even undermine it."

http://www.fstdt.com/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ



Our own bibleberean makes it in there-

http://www.fstdt.com/bottom.asp?month=6&year=2005

("Love Your Neighbor Award")

http://www.fstdt.com/bottom.asp?month=05&year=2005

("Love Your Fellow Christian Award")
 
"This is a massive Internet archive containing selected excerpts of many hilarious, ignorant, bigoted, bizarre, and terrifying posts written by fundies on online message boards."
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I'd like to take a moment and thank the inventor of the internet for this privilege.

Thanks Al Gore!! :-D
 
Cure of Ars said:
I see no point in mocking fundamentalist. :sad
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I agree with your point.

Lets talk about Al Gore and the internet. Here's what he actually said:

What Gore Said
Although Al Gore never claimed to have invented the Internet, he did discuss his role in Internet development in an interview with Wolf Blitzer of Cable News Network. The interview took place on March 9, 1999 during CNN's "Late Edition" show. Specifically, what Gore said was "I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
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http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue5_10/wiggins/

He has been credited with coming up with the term, "information superhighway".

Actually, he had a lot more to do with the internet as we know it than most people know.

1988: Kahn et al. write a paper "Towards a National Research Network." According to the Brief History, "This report was influential on then Senator Al Gore, and ushered in high speed networks that laid the networking foundation for the future information superhighway." [Emphasis added.]
Note that these authors of (and participants in) Internet history state clearly that as early as 1988, then-Senator Gore became involved in the goal of building a national research network. We'll examine his role in more detail later.
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Same source as above
But Gore's interest and support for U.S. high-speed networking begins much earlier than 1989. As early as 1986, Gore called for, in the context of funding for the NSF, support for basic research in computer networking...

... That Gore wrote about a national "data highway" as far back as 1986 is extremely significant. It is important to make clear the context of the state of computing at that time. The IBM PC was only four years old. The Apple II computer was still in widespread use. The number of hosts on the Internet numbered, as counted by Mark Lottor's Internet Domain Survey, was 5,089. Entire universities (such as Michigan State University) made their initial connection to the Internet in 1986. In order for Gore to make this kind of speech in 1986, he had to have been conversant with the thinking of computer scientists and Internet pioneers.

... In 1988, Gore argued for the creation of a high-capacity national data network...

... Gore made explicit the need for high-speed networking, specifically a 3-gigabit per second national network. In 1989 floor debate Gore continued his support for federally funded research in high-performance computing and networking. His words presage the Internet as we know it today...

... During the late 1980s and early 1990s, the term "information superhighway" became a sort of mantra in Gore's speeches. Some observers, in fact, credit Gore with coining that very term. Actually, for Senator Gore to seek to build a national data network analogous to the interstate highway system should not surprise us; his father, Al Gore Sr., as a senator in the 1950s was a major proponent of the creation of the Interstate Highway System, modeled after the German autobahns. No doubt Gore Jr. was inspired by the model and metaphor of his father's efforts....

Gore's efforts in the mid to late 1980s to promote national networking initiatives eventually paid off, when the High Performance Computing Act of 1991 was passed by both houses of Congress. The Houston Chronicle ran an article under the headline "Data superhighway' for nation's computers approved by Congress" on November 30, 1991, crediting Gore's role:

A plan to create a high-tech "data superhighway" likened in importance to the creation of the nation's highway system has been approved by Congress and sent to President Bush for his signature.
The plan would create a high-speed national computer networking infrastructure that would link computers in the nation's research, education and military establishments....

... The High-Performance Computing Act of 1991, which contains the plan, was approved by a House-Senate conference committee over the weekend after being stalled for several weeks because of disagreement over a "buy American first" provision.

The bill, sponsored by Sen. Albert Gore, D-Tenn., does not provide funding for the effort. Budget allocations and appropriations must be made individually during each year of the program.
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http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue5_10/wiggins/
 
Sorry if I tried to derail this thread. I see this as nothing more than a big waste of time and webspace. All this finger-pointing is worthless. I'm sure I could dig up plenty of statements by non believers and even liberal Christians that I see as ridiculous, but why bother?


:sad
 
Vic said:
Sorry if I tried to derail this thread. I see this as nothing more than a big waste of time and webspace. All this finger-pointing is worthless. I'm sure I could dig up plenty of statements by non believers and even liberal Christians that I see as ridiculous, but why bother?


:sad
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Numerous examples as extreme as Christian fundies? I have my doubts you could, but I would like to see you try. (if you can be bothered...)
 
Gary said:
Atheists and skeptics: "There is no absolute truth"

:) :)
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I have seen people say this, but this isn't at all "extreme" compared with Christian fundies.

:D
 
Here's a search of all the posts from here that made here...

http://www.fstdt.com/filter.asp?searchb ... erpage=150

Makes me a bit nostalgic for good 'ol blueeyeliner.

I wonder if Soma will be happy to know he made the fundy list.

Vic said:
I'm sure I could dig up plenty of statements by non believers and even liberal Christians that I see as ridiculous, but why bother?
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I just wanted to state that the page DivineNames posted also has examples of secular fundies.
 
I wasn't finger pointing, I was just lightening the mood. Its not my fault some don't have a sense of humor.... ;-) :lol: .
 
Gary said:
Another classic...

Gary said:
Atheists and skeptics: "There is no absolute truth"

:) :)
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DivineNames said:
I have seen people say this, but this isn't at all "extreme" compared with Christian fundies.
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What?
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To say "there is no absolute truth" is self-referentially inconsistent. Big deal. That is nothing compared to Christian fundies.
 
About this whole business of the atheist who claims that there is no such thing as absolute truth......

This is not "self-referentially inconsistent". This line of reasoning against a claim that there is no such thing as absolute truth persists despite the fact that it falls apart on analysis.

First, the atheist is not saying that he is absolutely, 100 %, hand to the heart certain of the truth of his claim. If he were to adopt such a position, he would indeed be guilty of inconsistency (if his claim were about propositions in general, not just moral propositions - see below).

However, the atheist can take the entirely legitimate position that there is no absolute truth and yet not claim certainty in respect to his claim. And I suspect that this is what most atheists would do. So it is a bit of a cheap shot to somehow represent the atheist as being internally inconsistent.

Second, I suspect that the atheist is really making a claim about specifically moral absolutes. My experience is that when atheists talk about an absence of absolute truth, they are talking about moral matters, not about propositions in general. So an atheist could indeed claim that some truths are "absolute" (e.g. 2+2=4) and yet deny that there are any absolute moral truths.

It is entirely reasonable to assert that there is no absolute moral truth. I happen to believe otherwise and have arguments to make in defence of my position, but there is no problem of consistency associated with an atheist's claim to the contrary. Why? Because it is entirely plausible that we exist in a Universe with no moral absolutes - a universe with moral absolutes is a possible state of affairs - a way that the universe could be.
 
Drew said:
Second, I suspect that the atheist is really making a claim about specifically moral absolutes.
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Well the people I have seen make that kind of claim, are not talking merely about moral truth, but truth in general. It does look to be self-referentially inconsistent to me.

As it happens, I have never seen any (serious) atheist writings going on about how "there is no such thing as absolute truth". (I am not saying they don't exist, perhaps they do...)
 
Drew said:
However, the atheist can take the entirely legitimate position that there is no absolute truth and yet not claim certainty in respect to his claim. And I suspect that this is what most atheists would do. So it is a bit of a cheap shot to somehow represent the atheist as being internally inconsistent.
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Does this avoid the problem? I am not sure that it does. The concept appears to be a contradiction, does how "certain" they are about it really save the position?
 
I have seen two times when an atheist talk about there being no absolute truth. Drew addressed the idea of the moral absolute truth.

The other was more about beliefs of universal truth. You could be wired up tp the Matrix and everything you experience is computer fed. So we have no idea what is really true. So we make an assumption. Everyone makes their own and there is no way to prove one is more correct than the other. So this is what they are referring to. Logically it is the wrong way to say it because there could be a universal truth, but we may never be able to know it.

What an atheist is more saying is that a Christian believes God made the universe and a pagan may think that a ox licked water until the Earth appeared. You can't prove these 100% true or false, so there is no absolute way to claim who has the truth.

So a better way to say it would be there are no 100% known universal truths.

Quath
 
Evening CFNet,

I'm the owner of the Fundies Say the Darndest Things website, and I've decided to quickly address a few comments that you guys may have.


Vic,

Vic wrote:

Sorry if I tried to derail this thread. I see this as nothing more than a big waste of time and webspace. All this finger-pointing is worthless.
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First and foremost, the site is pretty funny. So, running the site provides a fair amount of entertainment, and for me it really is a fun site to operate.

There are a few other good reasons to run the site, for instance the site serves a valuable social commentary illustrating the gamut of self-righteousness, hypocrisy, and occasionally lunacy. The site makes a public spectacle out of hatemongerers, racists, sanctimonious pricks, and almost vulgar displays of ignorance. The material is genuinely fun to read - at least for most people.

I'd also say that the site helps create awareness the ultraconservatives and religious right, their motives, and their interests. In the UK, these groups are hardly existent and barely make a blip on the political radar, but in the US they are monolithic and politically very powerful. By creating an archive of the people who make up the religious right and the extreme things they stand for, the fringe extremists are discredited by their very own words.

Believe me, there are less productive uses of the internet than my site, like Xanga.com and .

Vic wrote:

I'm sure I could dig up plenty of statements by non believers and even liberal Christians that I see as ridiculous, but why bother?
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Why not? In fact, I encourage you to do so, and if you decide to create such a site I will personally link from my to yours.


Cure of Ars,
Cure of Ars wrote:

I see no point in mocking fundamentalist.
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Believe me, its a good thing to point out when people say genuinely funny and bizarre things.

Believe me, its very healthy for people to have a sense of humor and be able to laugh about themselves.


Gary,

Gary wrote:

and "Fundy Atheists Say the Dumbdest Things"
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showt ... hp?t=40296
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I've seen JP Holding's "Screwballs of the Month", and include a link to it somewhere in the FSTDT FAQ.

My personal opinion of the site is that the site just isnt funny. There is too much commentary, too little self-evidently funny material, and the shoddy formatting makes the site difficult to read. I tried to read it and enjoy it, but just couldnt. There are one or two gems, but the site is really achingly unfunny.

Gary wrote:

Atheist fundy: "There is no such thing as abolute truth."
Christian: "Are you sure?"
Atheist fundy: "Yes. I am."
Christian: "Are you absolutely sure about that?"
Atheist fundy: "Er, yes, I mean, no - well, maybe."
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Someone actually submitted that comment to my site (thats how I found out about this thread), because its not a very good example of extremism or fundie-ism.

Search for quotes more along these lines:
"If I had a daughter [who had sex before marriage] I would not stone her, but she would think she was going to die when I got through with the razor strap."

SabreWolfSS, 123 Christian Forums


"I just don't understand why some atheists claim to also believe and accept evolution when it is part of many ancient pagan religions? Why can't an atheist just be an atheist?"

blueeyeliner, 123 Christian Forums


"Animals are not homo. They operate on instinct and sometimes they get a little confused."

antitox, 123 Christian Forums


"How can man be descending and evolving at the same time? Which is it?It appears that Darwin can't make a statment without contradicting himself."

Heidi, 123 Christian Forums
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All of those are quite funny in their own ways.

Someone actually submitted your quote to my site because if thats what passes for "fundie atheism", then its utterly silly. By comparison to the real gems found on my site, a poor example of the "liar's paradox" is hardly a blip on the radar, and it actually speaks more about Christian fundies than atheist fundies.


ThinkerMan,

ThinkerMan wrote:

I just wanted to state that the page DivineNames posted also has examples of secular fundies.
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Very true.

My site makes a public spectacle out of fundies, which isnt limited to Christians. There are several prominent examples of secular fundie-ism found on my site, I have a page on just a few of them available at http://www.fstdt.com/wiki/index.php?tit ... ar_fundies

The most recent example of secular fundie-ism comes from someone who left a comment on my site:
"Homeschooling works, but it's too easily abused by evil Christian parents. IMHO teaching Christianity to children is child abuse. They should be thrown in jail posthaste."

Francois Tremblay, FSTDT Comments
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After that appeared on my site, he accused me of cribbing his comment out of context (in his own words he said he was "quote-mined") - I cannot possibly imagine how he was quoted out of context, because the comment above and the one he left on my site are identical in their their entirety.

Followers of Ayn Rand's Objectivism, also known as Randroids, are a never-ending bag of bizarre comments that are often more frightening than 90% of the things that appear on my site. They are a ripe source of secular fundie-ism, and several of them are even quoted on my site.

There are also some people who believe in Chi energy, alternative medicine, white nationalists, and occasionally conspiracy theorists quoted on my site. Those people make up the bulk of secular fundies.
 
ThinkerMan said:
Here's a search of all the posts from here that made here...

http://www.fstdt.com/filter.asp?searchb ... erpage=150

Makes me a bit nostalgic for good 'ol blueeyeliner.

I just wanted to state that the page DivineNames posted also has examples of secular fundies.
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I MADE THE LIST!!!! :angel:

I like to Quath for arguing with me, all the ignorant evolutionists who cling to their flawed theory like a religion, everyone else here on the the site, and , of course, God. 8-)
 
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