gay charachters in tv shows

[jasoncran]

show a christian watch any tv show/movie with gay charachters in them. ie raising the bar,queer eye for the straight guy, will and grace?

let's keep it civil here

jason

 

[walter]

show a christian watch any tv show/movie with gay charachters in them. ie raising the bar,queer eye for the straight guy, will and grace?

let's keep it civil here

jason

I think a christian, provided he or she is grounded in the word can watch whatever they want. Naturally there will be many shows and movies they won't want to watch and be very unhappy they were even created. (the shows and movies)
In my case, I don't watch them if they are agenda driven. They make me angry. On the other hand, if the gay characters are simply a portrayal and have relevence to the story I'm fine with it. There are gay people in the world and like it or not we are to love them.
In the same way, I used to watch a lot of programs on Bible mysteries and such. I found that many of them were agenda driven (trying to actually disprove the Bible) so I turned away from them.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Unless its porn, I don't see how this can be a problem.

Most show, when broken down, have some form of anti christian moral in them. Including some Christian themed shows. I explained this in the Harry Potter thread actually.


Personally I'm more offended by the need to personify all gay men as the stereotypical hyperactive sex machine, or a women that happens to have a penis, but is for the most part not having any actual story (sex in the city, will and grace). Sure there are the flaming queens, but not all gay men are flaming queens, butchy dikes, or sex crazed nymphomaniacs.


I liked shows like Queer as folk, because they at least poked fun at the stereotypes. Even if it is a bit hedonistic at times, but at least there was a story and real problems for the characters to overcome, rather then "shopping" and "Accessorizing" nonstop.

 

[walter]

Unless its porn, I don't see how this can be a problem.

Most show, when broken down, have some form of anti christian moral in them. Including some Christian themed shows. I explained this in the Harry Potter thread actually.


Personally I'm more offended by the need to personify all gay men as the stereotypical hyperactive sex machine, or a women that happens to have a penis, but is for the most part not having any actual story (sex in the city, will and grace). Sure there are the flaming queens, but not all gay men are flaming queens, butchy dikes, or sex crazed nymphomaniacs.


I liked shows like Queer as folk, because they at least poked fun at the stereotypes. Even if it is a bit hedonistic at times, but at least there was a story and real problems for the characters to overcome, rather then "shopping" and "Accessorizing" nonstop.

True, stereotyping gays is perhaps an unintended side effect of these programs. I have known many gays who were staunch conservatives and not even smoldering!

 

[jasoncran]

some food for thought i have been given, however hollywood is known to have an agenda, if they didn't why are there subtilites in any sitcom on any currentevent , not all do that however, star trek did that alot so does some other sci-fi shows and many sitcoms,and that's how the filth is allowed and accepted today.Let's say in the 50's a show like the desperate housewives be aired, never would it scripted, as society decays

desenstising people to the stigma of sin,ie making light of it is the first step to accepting it, i have done that , no i'm not saying that one should stop watching tv, as i've been doing , most tv to me these days are junk. A tv show spinoff will have a lesbian charachter in the military, and i'm tetering on avoiding on watching it.

jason

 

[Lance_Iguana]

some food for thought i have been given, however hollywood is known to have an agenda, if they didn't why are there subtilites in any sitcom on any currentevent , not all do that however, star trek did that alot so does some other sci-fi shows and many sitcoms,and that's how the filth is allowed and accepted today.Let's say in the 50's a show like the desperate housewives be aired, never would it scripted, as society decays

desenstising people to the stigma of sin,ie making light of it is the first step to accepting it, i have done that , no i'm not saying that one should stop watching tv, as i've been doing , most tv to me these days are junk. A tv show spinoff will have a lesbian charachter in the military, and i'm tetering on avoiding on watching it.

jason

I think you are reading to far into this. The reason for the burst in gay characters is from the push from the community wanting something to identify with in shows and a voice even if its very small and insignificant.

In short, how would you like gay characters to be presented? :ohwell

 

[turnorburn]

You have misspelled the name its not gays its sodomites, that's one of the reasons I quit
watching the telly, lets ask the Lord, see verse 32.

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


turnorburn

 

[Lance_Iguana]

You have misspelled the name its not gays its sodomites, that's one of the reasons I quit
watching the telly, lets ask the Lord, see verse 32.

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


turnorburn

What exactly was the point in all that scripture mining?

I wonder, are you this feverish in displaying verse to those who are fat, where gaudy dress, have piercings, or have tattoos?

 

[whirlwind]

What exactly was the point in all that scripture mining?

I wonder, are you this feverish in displaying verse to those who are fat, where gaudy dress, have piercings, or have tattoos?

The point is....it is Scripture. It is the Word of God and we, as witnesses of His Word are to take that Word to others.


Ezekiel 3:17-18 Son of man, I have made thee, a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at My mouth, and give them warning from Me. When I say unto the wicked, 'Thou shalt surely die:' and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

3:19-21 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquty, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.


That is why we are to give "the word at My mouth" or..."feverish displaying of verse" to others as well as TO OURSELVES. We are all sinners Lance but because we too are sinners doesn't mean we cannot take His Word to others. It may be like the "pot calling the kettle black" but as we scrub ourselves clean we can help others too. If we waited until we were perfect then...not much would be achieved.


When you say, "I think you are reading to far into this. The reason for the burst in gay characters is from the push from the community wanting something to identify with in shows and a voice even if its very small and insignificant.....In short, how would you like gay characters to be presented?"


I see it much more strongly than you do. I see that the homosexual agenda is pushing into the lives of our children and it infuriates me. :mad It is portrayed as a normal lifestyle and IT IS NOT! To answer your question, I don't want homosexual characters to be presented to children at all. I don't want them presented as good, wholesome or normal anymore than I want idolaters, thieves, liars, murderers, prostitutes, witches, or our esteemed politicians portrayed as good and wholesome.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

The point is....it is Scripture. It is the Word of God and we, as witnesses of His Word are to take that Word to others.


Ezekiel 3:17-18 Son of man, I have made thee, a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at My mouth, and give them warning from Me. When I say unto the wicked, 'Thou shalt surely die:' and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

3:19-21 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquty, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

What you just did is called quote/scripture mining. Taking lines of scripture out of context to prove your point is a very bad idea since it removes it from the chapter it came from and can be manipulated based on the situation. None of those scripture mentioned homosexuality as being bad, only that the wicked be damned, etc.

That is why we are to give "the word at My mouth" or..."feverish displaying of verse" to others as well as TO OURSELVES. We are all sinners Lance but because we too are sinners doesn't mean we cannot take His Word to others. It may be like the "pot calling the kettle black" but as we scrub ourselves clean we can help others too. If we waited until we were perfect then...not much would be achieved.

I think someone needs to reread Mathew chapter 1. My main concern is that I keep seeing people gang up on select sins and even stretching definitions of sins to mean what ever they want. The Acts of Same gender sex is considered sin, not the attraction, there is no verse saying 2 people of the same gender can't share feelings of love.

When you say, "I think you are reading to far into this. The reason for the burst in gay characters is from the push from the community wanting something to identify with in shows and a voice even if its very small and insignificant.....In short, how would you like gay characters to be presented?"


I see it much more strongly than you do. I see that the homosexual agenda is pushing into the lives of our children and it infuriates me. :mad It is portrayed as a normal lifestyle and IT IS NOT! To answer your question, I don't want homosexual characters to be presented to children at all. I don't want them presented as good, wholesome or normal anymore than I want idolaters, thieves, liars, murderers, prostitutes, witches, or our esteemed politicians portrayed as good and wholesome.

Thank you for presenting your homophobia. What I think is funny is the whole Gay agenda nonsense was a purposeful misinterpretation of the Gay Rights movement by Right Wing Fundamentalists to scare people with little knowledge of the actual movement. Portraying homosexual as societies most evil enemy and taking things far out of context.

You want to know what the gay agenda really is?

Wake up, go to work where I won't be fired if my boss finds out I'm gay. Come home to my husband who I married at a court house. Play with my adopted kids, and possibly give blood whenever there is a drive.

Really, if that's what is going to destroy society, then society is already way to weak.

Not to mention the whole " forcing this on my children boo hoo" thing, the most that will be forced on children at school is that knowledge that Homosexuals exist. That is it, really if you are uncomfortable knowing your kids actually know that the world isn't all just what they imagined it is then tough cookies.

I think its quite funny, what do you think teachers are going to do? Force your kids to worship homosexuals and watch Gay porn? That's extremely delusional if you do think that will happen.

You have the freedom to have an opinion and to disagree, but not to be not offended. I'm sorry me having the same privileges/rights as you disrupts your private life so much. :mad

 

[turnorburn]

You have misspelled the name its not gays its sodomites, that's one of the reasons I quit
watching the telly, lets ask the Lord, see verse 32.

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


turnorburn

What exactly was the point in all that scripture mining?

I wonder, are you this feverish in displaying verse to those who are fat, where gaudy dress, have piercings, or have tattoos?

You'll have to just keep wondering..

 

[whirlwind]

The point is....it is Scripture. It is the Word of God and we, as witnesses of His Word are to take that Word to others.


Ezekiel 3:17-18 Son of man, I have made thee, a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at My mouth, and give them warning from Me. When I say unto the wicked, 'Thou shalt surely die:' and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

3:19-21 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquty, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

What you just did is called quote/scripture mining. Taking lines of scripture out of context to prove your point is a very bad idea since it removes it from the chapter it came from and can be manipulated based on the situation. None of those scripture mentioned homosexuality as being bad, only that the wicked be damned, etc.

That is a rather silly argument Lance. Please reread the verses from Romans 1, which deals explicitely with homosexuality as well as other sins...that are also wicked. The chapter ends with.....

• * Romans 1:32 who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

That is why we are to give "the word at My mouth" or..."feverish displaying of verse" to others as well as TO OURSELVES. We are all sinners Lance but because we too are sinners doesn't mean we cannot take His Word to others. It may be like the "pot calling the kettle black" but as we scrub ourselves clean we can help others too. If we waited until we were perfect then...not much would be achieved.

[quote:phdhrdhw] I think someone needs to reread Mathew chapter 1.

[/quote:phdhrdhw]

I just did and have no idea what you are talking about??? Please explain.

My main concern is that I keep seeing people gang up on select sins and even stretching definitions of sins to mean what ever they want. The Acts of Same gender sex is considered sin, not the attraction, there is no verse saying 2 people of the same gender can't share feelings of love.

We are all to have love for one another. However, if one "burns in lust one toward another" [Romans 1:27] then that too is a sin.

• * Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

That is to look on another in a lustful way, with desire...not simply loving them, or even finding them attractive. Only the one who "looketh" can answer if it is or is not with lust. As we are to love others, even our enemies, we must love them enough to warn them.

I came across something the other day that brushes on this subject....

• * Matthew 19:11-12 But He said unto them, "All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."

To me, that applies to those who love God and have feelings for those of the same gender. They (not really become eunuchs) but essentially give that up for Him and...for their eternal soul. At least, that is what I believe is being taught.

When you say, "I think you are reading to far into this. The reason for the burst in gay characters is from the push from the community wanting something to identify with in shows and a voice even if its very small and insignificant.....In short, how would you like gay characters to be presented?"


I see it much more strongly than you do. I see that the homosexual agenda is pushing into the lives of our children and it infuriates me. :mad It is portrayed as a normal lifestyle and IT IS NOT! To answer your question, I don't want homosexual characters to be presented to children at all. I don't want them presented as good, wholesome or normal anymore than I want idolaters, thieves, liars, murderers, prostitutes, witches, or our esteemed politicians portrayed as good and wholesome.

Thank you for presenting your homophobia. What I think is funny is the whole Gay agenda nonsense was a purposeful misinterpretation of the Gay Rights movement by Right Wing Fundamentalists to scare people with little knowledge of the actual movement. Portraying homosexual as societies most evil enemy and taking things far out of context.

You want to know what the gay agenda really is?

Wake up, go to work where I won't be fired if my boss finds out I'm gay. Come home to my husband who I married at a court house. Play with my adopted kids, and possibly give blood whenever there is a drive.

Really, if that's what is going to destroy society, then society is already way to weak.

Not to mention the whole " forcing this on my children boo hoo" thing, the most that will be forced on children at school is that knowledge that Homosexuals exist. That is it, really if you are uncomfortable knowing your kids actually know that the world isn't all just what they imagined it is then tough cookies.

I think its quite funny, what do you think teachers are going to do? Force your kids to worship homosexuals and watch Gay porn? That's extremely delusional if you do think that will happen.

You have the freedom to have an opinion and to disagree, but not to be not offended. I'm sorry me having the same privileges/rights as you disrupts your private life so much. :mad

[/quote]


First of all...this whole "gay marriage" thing is ridiculous. What is a marriage? It is solemn contract between a man and a woman and God. Anything else is making a mockery of a holy rite in which our Father blesses a union. He does NOT bless man and man or woman and woman. If they want a legal contract it's up to them but to call it a marriage, a holy union, is to slap God in the face.

Secondly...what you term the "boohoo tough cookie kids knowing about homosexuality" thing is not delusional. I don't want children introduced to that EVER! If you believe it is some innocent teaching...THINK AGAIN. It is AGAINST God. I don't want to see it and I don't want any child seeing it. It does offend me as prostitution offends me, pornography offends me, etc. It DOES NOT belong in a classroom being taught to anyone at any age. If someone is homosexual then they must deal with it not have others indoctrinated (and that is what is going on) to their way of life.

Do they teach children to become strippers? To become liars? To become murderers? To become thieves? To become prostitutes? To commit adultery? Or...to understand any of them? It is what it is and God warns that those involved in sins (of any kind) need to repent. If one is making excuses for the behavior or believes it to be a privilege to be allowed that behavior then....one is not repenting.

We are asked to give our lives of sin up for Him. All of us.

• * Matthew 10:37-39 He that loveth father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after Me, is not worthy of Me. he that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for My sake shall find it.
  
  Hebrews 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment, and fiery indignation which shall devour the adversaries.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

:nag
I'm usually quite respectful to other posters but that was just straight out mindless ranting. You seem to not be able to separate sin from a person. You are delusional and quite brainwashed if you can't even stay civil in a discussion about homosexuals.

 

[walter]

:nag
I'm usually quite respectful to other posters but that was just straight out mindless ranting. You seem to not be able to separate sin from a person. You are delusional and quite brainwashed if you can't even stay civil in a discussion about homosexuals.

Lance,
This is me talking and it is unrelated to what ever posts came before this one.

I feel that you still believe that one can be homosexual and as long as they don't act on it it is not sin. I'm sure you believe you were born this way, God made you this way. I would ask you to consider that you yourself were conditioned to believe the intentional conditioning that has become so prevalent.

Many people can see it for what it is (teaching younger and younger people that sin isn't sin) and it angers them to think of children being indoctrinated into sin. Those who commit this indoctrination say they want children to be able to make up their own minds but how is inculcating them helping them to make an independant decision?

I have lived for half a century and I have seen the change that has come over this world. It may be time you considered that you have been lied to.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

:nag
I'm usually quite respectful to other posters but that was just straight out mindless ranting. You seem to not be able to separate sin from a person. You are delusional and quite brainwashed if you can't even stay civil in a discussion about homosexuals.

Lance,
This is me talking and it is unrelated to what ever posts came before this one.

I feel that you still believe that one can be homosexual and as long as they don't act on it it is not sin. I'm sure you believe you were born this way, God made you this way. I would ask you to consider that you yourself were conditioned to believe the intentional conditioning that has become so prevalent.

Many people can see it for what it is (teaching younger and younger people that sin isn't sin) and it angers them to think of children being indoctrinated into sin. Those who commit this indoctrination say they want children to be able to make up their own minds but how is inculcating them helping them to make an independant decision?

I have lived for half a century and I have seen the change that has come over this world. It may be time you considered that you have been lied to.

I love it when people assume they know what it is like to be gay. And how I've been lied to, and how I don't even know what turns me on, etc.At least Jason has a stance since he has claims of being converted.

To me when a straight person comes up to me telling me that this is all in my head I wish they new what exactly they where saying. Its pretty much like telling someone who doesn't like a certain food that they just aren't trying hard enough to like that food. Its extremely offensive and shows the ignorance of the very subject.

People just plug there ears and ignore the plethora of research done on the subject and keep hiding behind the same interpretations that not even biblical scholars agree on. :gah

The same arguments have been thrown up for centuries, lives have been ruined, and no one wants to listen to those who try to explain to others that its not a choice and they don't want to change just because some deity doesn't like their hormone discharges. :gah

I swear if more people actually listened to homosexuals instead of throwing up scripture walls/mines and the humongous fallacy that is the Gay agenda argument. Maybe the Gay teen suicide rate wouldn't be so high. :mad

 

[jasoncran]

lance, i agree with whirlwhind on this, but i wont agrue with on the scripture point as we have beat that one to death. My point was and i have decided to eliminate any shows that support extreme forms of hedonism,sin, etc.

I believe that if we are called to be holy than why are watching and enjoying shows like desperate housewives, the soprano's the oc's, or anyother shows that put sin as an entertainment. I feel that is offensive to god, while no scripture covers that i feel that it is unexpendient, ie a hidrance.

Think on this, If we who love the Lord and preach and teach virginity until marrige then why are we going to watch a movie or tv show that glorifies promisicuity, or any other things, I believe this is a form of hyprocracy. I also believe that this type of decision should be done at the revelation of the Lord.

Ye saints of God, pray for me to change in this as my flesh doesn't want to

On the gay rights issue, Lance I understand the why you and others want that, but I disagree with that lifestyle, as you already know. I will say this Satan uses legitimate desires( the desires to have a good life,marriage, etc) to entice one into sin, i'll explain that later as that also applies to the ganster life.

in Christ love and continue to reaching out.

jason

 

[whirlwind]

:nag
I'm usually quite respectful to other posters but that was just straight out mindless ranting. You seem to not be able to separate sin from a person. You are delusional and quite brainwashed if you can't even stay civil in a discussion about homosexuals.

I'm sorry I came across that way. I tried to be respectful and yet be honest. I don't consider it mindless ranting as I quoted God's Word. The point I was trying to make is....None of us, no matter what our sin, can continue in our sin. We must give up our life, die to ourselves, to live. He must be everything.

God loves us...hates the sin...but we can't continue wilfully sinning after coming to knowledge of the truth and still expect salvation.

• * John 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in My name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

All of us should always go to Him and ASK with any problem we are facing..."ye shall receive." I believe that!

 

[walter]

lance, i agree with whirlwhind on this, but i wont agrue with on the scripture point as we have beat that one to death. My point was and i have decided to eliminate any shows that support extreme forms of hedonism,sin, etc.

I believe that if we are called to be holy than why are watching and enjoying shows like desperate housewives, the soprano's the oc's, or anyother shows that put sin as an entertainment. I feel that is offensive to god, while no scripture covers that i feel that it is unexpendient, ie a hidrance.

Think on this, If we who love the Lord and preach and teach virginity until marrige then why are we going to watch a movie or tv show that glorifies promisicuity, or any other things, I believe this is a form of hyprocracy. I also believe that this type of decision should be done at the revelation of the Lord.

Ye saints of God, pray for me to change in this as my flesh doesn't want to

On the gay rights issue, Lance I understand the why you and others want that, but I disagree with that lifestyle, as you already know. I will say this Satan uses legitimate desires( the desires to have a good life,marriage, etc) to entice one into sin, i'll explain that later as that also applies to the ganster life.

in Christ love and continue to reaching out.

jason

I agree and it is a good point. We should not watch anything that causes us to sin but also that is inconsistant with our beliefs

Lance, I am sorry I angered you. I understand why you got upset and I don't fault you for that. I also try to understand the struggles you mentioned.

 

[jasoncran]

i do want to make myself clear, all things are lawful but not expedient, and each person must decide for themselves what to watch or not watch, but i believe someday that tv,and movies will become soo hedonistic that we christians will be unable to watch.

jason

 

[walter]

i do want to make myself clear, all things are lawful but not expedient, and each person must decide for themselves what to watch or not watch, but i believe someday that tv,and movies will become soo hedonistic that we christians will be unable to watch.

jason

I agree. It's up to each individual.

I probably won't give up watching "Hell's Kitchen" Lol