aLoneVoice said:
Relic, where does Peace say that he wants to continue in his sin? Perhaps you missed his OP, allow me to repeat it here:
No, I did not miss the OP.
aLoneVoice said:
I bolded the important parts.
I would suggest Relic, that you are so focused on fighting the 'gay agenda' that you are causing 'friendly fire' and hurting those that need our support, strength, and encouragement. Like Peacesearch - a believer that struggles with the temptations of sin - Gee... what believer doesn't? Or perhaps, you do not sin anymore Relic?
I am not hurting anyone who is truly looking for support. To give someone support does not mean to ignore scripture that is useful for overcoming sin. Giving support to someone who needs help with a struggle also means to help them find ways of overcoming through relying on the Holy Word of God. And yes, the word of God is a sharp double edged sword that cuts through sin. Cutting through sin is not without pain to the one who wants to hold onto the sin. The one who refuses to give up the sin is offended by the very suggestion to give it up. We are called to repentance, Alonevoice, Not to unrepentance. Who said giving up sin is easy? No one! I know all too well what a struggle it is to hold onto a sin one is in love with because of deceptive spirits telling you to not give it up because of the "pleasure" you see in it! All sin is attractive until you are caught in the clutches of it.
Perhaps you are looking at my posts from the wrong perspective. And perhaps you are drawing at straws that do not exist, Mr. Alonevoice. :-?
Again, it appears you are having a very difficult time with my postings. If you don't like the fact that I am using the truth of scripture in relaying the message then I'm sorry.
Alonevoice, If you are not struggling with homosexual thoughts then the messages are not for you. Also, they are not intended for a person who has already overcome homosex-uality or has no problem with the struggles they have. So what is your problem? You want me to sugar coat everything I present. I am sorry you think I am not gentle enough. Some people don't want prissy fixes for serious problems. Go be gentle in your own way and leave the scripture speak for itself without you coming on board giving the impressison that sinners are okay staying in sin because they have a stuggle with it. :-? Anyone knows the stuggle is refusal to give it up. and the struggle is because of refusal to submit to obedience to God. If you think that is too not gentle enough, then you have a problem with the truth in scripture, not me.
Scriptures that show that the body must not be used for immorality are useful in bringing the truth to the front. There is nothing wrong with showing scripture to that effect. And indeed, they are not offensive to anyone who is seeking the truth that is more than enough to free from sin. Of course the struggle comes from resistance to the truth. There is nothing gentle about fighting an addiction to any particular sin, be it the sin of homosexuality or any other type of sin. So your idea of what is gentle can also be ineffective for some who need more meat rather than milk. You obviously don't know the many ways in which the Holy Spirit works through people. For some the way in which my postings are epresented my just be what they were looking for.
To me, you sound like Goldy locks in search of that porage that is just right, and that bed that is just right, and that chair that is just right. Well, what's right for one person isn't always right for all, Mr. Alone voice. Especially if the truth is in it. So you just hand out your ministering and leave me do mine. If you think you have good minitry to homosexuals then post it. instead of complaining how you think I'm too harsh on others.
Where are your words of encouragement to anyone who is looking to overcome a struggle? I see nothing, from you but nit picking on me about how I present the truth in scriptures, you saying it's not gentle enough and I'm missing out on ministering. Well, that again is your opinion. And that's all it is Mr. Alonevoice! Go preach in your own way and give your own example in this thread rather than complaining to me about how I am not gentle enough. :-?
My Lord and Savior has helped me overcome many of my sins by way of conviction of particular sins. I do not return those sins in which the Holy Spirit has already dealt with In me. I do not return to them because the power of the Holy Spirit is at work keeping them out of my life. The power of the Holy Spirit is the only thing that gives me the grace to overcome the temptations that are thrown at me by the devil, the wicked, the evil, the unclean spirits that roam this earth to devour whomever they find without the Holy Spirit living in them.
Alonevoice, Why do you come to pick on me as if I don't know that all those who LOOK to the Lord God for Salvation from sin are a work in progress?
My messages do not fall short of the truth in how the Holy Spirit manifests in the faith of a person by way of giving us the grace to overcome sin. The repentant heart is crucial.
I never said anything to the effect that Peacesource was not recovered from homosexuality. I know exactly what he is getting at. I've even provided links of useful resources for anyone who is concerned with homosexual tendencies and/or has overcome. and I am not condemning anyone nor am addressing this in an unloving manner. What do you want.... sugar coated lies that tell them they are okay staying in that sin? :o NO, it is not okay to Stay in a sin, when the Holy Spirit has already revealed a sin to you. That would not be serving anyone justice if I told them it was okay to stay in the sin of homosexuality or any other sin for that matter. A person turns to Christ for a means to OVERCOME any sin that they are finding themselves in. Some scriptures are not always easy to accept when one insists on staying in their sin refusing to give it up to the working power of the Holy Sprit.
Alonevoice, Don't misunderstand. Professing to candy coating the truth is NOT the way to show someone how to OVERCOME Sin. Even Peacesource knows that! Because anyone who has overcome temptation knows it is a very difficult path. No one ever said being a Christian is easy and that we are to continue in a sin. That's not what Christianity is about, Alonevoice!
It is evident you are NOT reading my postings thoroughly enough. :-?
Scripture is clear about once we overcome a sin that we are not to return to that particular sin. Mature Christians are NOT like dogs who return to their vomit! Once you have matured from out of a particular sin, you do not return to it. The Holy Spirit is NOT a Wimp! and once you learn the power of submitting to the Holy Spirit you won't return to that particular sin which you have been convicted of by the Holy Spirit.
We are to NOT grieve the Holy Spirit. If you are continually struggling with the same sin then you need to learn submission to the Holy Spirit. If you refuse to submit the the Holiness of God, you are in essence not of God. Self discipline is not easy. The bible "TEACHES" us HOW TO OVERCOME. If you are not willing to be taught, you will remain the same. IN order to overcome sin, you must be willing to work. Faith without works is dead. You must allow your "self" to be replaced with the "holy". Fair enough trade for me. I never said I don't sin anymore. I do however look to the Holy Spirit of Christ to convict me of whatever sin is found in me and to show me where I must submit to His Spirit in order to overcome that particular sin that has been revealed to me. Christians, as long as we are in this earth, we will be a work in progress. Whatever sins are revealed we all must be willing to give it up and not return to it.
Total Submission to the HOLY SPIRIT is how we mature from babes to adults. No man can grow IN Christ Jesus if they are constantly returning to the sin that was already revealed by the Holy Spirit. It is by the power of the Holy Spirit that we are given the authority to overcome that sin. And if you refuse to give the Holy Spirit a place in your life then you are missing the calling. Not me, because I know what bondages to sins I had in my life that I have already been freed from, and I know which sins are in my life at present that I am being freed from. NOT DOUBT, that once I finally set them free to not be master over me, I will NOT return to them. My prayers are answered. I have to receive the exorcising of that sin from out of my life! And the more I mature in the Holy Spirit of Christ Jesus, the easier it is to give up a sin that is revealed to me, immediately! The only reason many people don't overcome sins immediately is because of their unwillingness to give it to Christ Jesus to be nailed on that cross. We are called to give up our sins, not to hold onto them once they have been revealed. The Holy Spirit is a spirit of conviction. If we don't listen to the conviction, then we are working in iniquity instead of striving for the freedom from that sin.
It's all a matter between the repentant and the unrepentant heart. A heart that strives towards God... that is the difference between an unrepentant sinner and one who seeks to overcome sin. Christians are a work in progress , Alonevoice. If you are not striving to overcome, but are constantly giving into a sin, repeating the offense over and over again, what are you doing? Surely you are NOT living by Grace! you are in fact refusing the grace of God to receive His power to overcome sin.
I am not out to condemn anyone. If the truth in scripture I have presented in that previous post is too hard for you to accept as example then that's your problem. And if you think it is a hurtful way of ministering, then I suggest you listen to the truth and not be fooled by the lies of the devil who says you can go on living IN your sins without cause for repentance of them. :-? That is NOT grace of God at work in you if you think you can continually be a repeat offender of that very same sin over and over and over again without allowing the Holy Spirit to come into your life so you have a means to overcome it, once and for all! The Holy Spirit is not an enabler of sin! It is a means to an end! It shows you how to overcome sin.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Christians are to be repentant once a sin is revealed by the conviction of the Holy Spirit to them. they are not to remain in an unrepentant stance! We have victory in His Word, not failure in His word. USE HIS WORD and you too will find sin is no longer master over you.
Don't get me wrong , Alonevoice! We all have the authority to use the power of His Word to overcome sin. We are freed FROM sins by the Word. We are not held in bondage to be repeat offenders IF we give the Holy Spirit a way into our heart to do His Holy work in us.
If you are a repeat offender, you need to look at why you are not giving your sin over to the cross to be nailed to it so as to not go back to it! You are not a dog that returns to it's vomit! are you? :o Then don't return to that sin! Anyone who has the glory of God to overcome those sins that vexed them knows that much. Are you so addicted to your sin that you think there is not way out of any particular one? :o Then you do not know the power of the Holy Spirit to do a good work in you!
This posting is not meant to condemn anyone! It is meant as assistance in understanding the power of the Word of God that is there for us to utilize in our lives. IF only they are willing to receive, instead of resist and remain a repeat offender of the Holy Spirit. Do not grieve the Holy Spirit, is up to us by our own free will. I choose to grow in the Holy Spirit, not to resist the authority that has been given to me by Him, Christ Jesus living in me. Walk away from Jesus, and what have you left? A sinner who is hardhearted. Insensitive to the calling of redemption through our Savior.
He comes to save us FROM sin, not to enable us to live in sin. Get it right alone voice! We have the power through the Holy Spirit who comes to live IN us, to overcome, to not be repeat offenders! If the Holy Spirit lives in you then that sin that has been revealed is no longer possible! The Holy Spirit is continually working in you to reveal those sins you knew not you had to you. IT is up to you to obey and receive that power to overcome that sin which has now been revealed. It doesn't take rocket science to know that you are to not continue in a sin once it has been revealed to you. If you do, then you have not given it to the Holy Spirit of Christ Jesus to cleanse it from OUT OF your life. You have not allowed the Holy Spirit of Christ Jesus to wash your sin away. Stop holding onto it. Give it up. Obey.
Alonevoice, Where in the bible does it say to disobey or to not stop living in a sin? :o I never said that Peacesearch was looking to continue in sin. however, I did give provide scriptures that reinforce the fact that our bodies are to not be used immorally. And THAT reinforcement IS something to hold onto to help one overcome the temptations that come.
When attacked by the firey darts of the devil we are to re-iterate scripture to sheild us from them. To resist the devil. To overcome. To go and sin no more.
Peacesearch, God Bless you in your endeavors. I hope the links I provided in my previous post are of use to you and others who have concern over homosex-uality.
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: What do you say to people who love their sin too much to be willing to give it up and to Go and sin no more? What do you say to people who refuse to understand that temptations will come, but that it is in the overcoming and hard word of discipline of resisting and fleeing those temptations in which we find the Holy spirit at work? What do you say to those who refuse to learn the principals of self discipline but only continually give into the temptations that come? They refuse to see the things that come to invade their thought life, but only see it as some urge that is inbred. :-? They refuse to see that the things of the spirit are what is the catalyst of all actions, of all thing made manifest. They refuse to see that the things of the spirit are what are at the root of all things made manifest. 
What do you propose to say to those who refuse the knowledge of the Holy Spirit at work only when reception is taking place, not rejection by way of succombing to the things which tempt to act upon what is deemed as being sin against the holy spirit of God. In essence, when they reject this type of discipline they reject the things of the holy spirit. They grieve the holy spirit, instead of obeying the holy spirit. And that.... is a crying shame. We can only pray they come to see and hear the truth of obedience and the value of obedience of Godly principals which are only of the Holy Spirit. they need to learn how to receive the change even if it "feels" like they are being pulled by the ear and they must experience this long-suffering that comes with self discipline. 