God changes not

[Lyric's Dad]

I keep hearing people quote the Bible in that God does not change. I agree. God has no shadow of turning and is the same today, yesterday, and tomorrow.

But why then do those same people not believe the things they say?


In the modern creed church there is no Priesthood, Temple, or personal Covenant.

There is no Apostles and Prophets in their organization. In fact, people try to say that these things are no longer needed.

They say that God is no longer speaking to men and that the canon (though most can't agree on what that means) is closed.

They say that revelation has ceased. That prophecy has ended.

So, does God change or not?

 

[ÃÂoppleganger]

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Nope God dont change. But man being subjects of time, matter and energy sees their enviroment change. Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Okay. Doesn't really address the op but okay.

 

[Windozer]

Well Lyric's Dad I am not sure that you have asked the right question. God first created Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, he then expelled them from it. He later destroyed all living kind except those on the ack. Then later he made a covenant with man kind that he later changed and brought in a new covenant.

He has certainly changed the way he has dealt with man kind.

And then on the other side of the coin our picture of God needs to change as we mature. I see God a whole lot differently now than I did when I first became a Christian.

So I am not sure what you are trying to get at here.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Well Lyric's Dad I am not sure that you have asked the right question. God first created Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, he then expelled them from it. He later destroyed all living kind except those on the ack. Then later he made a covenant with man kind that he later changed and brought in a new covenant.

He has certainly changed the way he has dealt with man kind.

And then on the other side of the coin our picture of God needs to change as we mature. I see God a whole lot differently now than I did when I first became a Christian.

So I am not sure what you are trying to get at here.

I am just pointing out that so many say that God does not change but then they claim He has.

I think there are many things not in the modern creed church that were clearly spelled out in the NT as part of the Church organization and don't see how they have now lost their importance.

Anyway, that's about it.

 

[duncdawg]

As Christians, we believe that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. We should also believe in the "Full Gospel", or all of the Bible. Who are we to say that prophets or other gifts of the Spirit are not for today?

God's character has never changed. This inclues the Holy Spirit, through which we have prophets.

It's up to us to discern what is for sure from God, and what is not.

 

[Geo]

They say that revelation has ceased. That prophecy has ended.

So, does God change or not?

No God does not change. Revelation and prophecy is available and given
to us today. True prophecy is needed to wake up His people from their
dream about the time they live in, and to stop all transgression.

And to say God stopped speaking to his people, is not far from saying
"while we're not sure if He still speaks we now do all the speaking on his behalf"

However, while reading and investigating "current day prophecy" over the
last three months I come to a new understanding of what's actually going
on in this field. Actually it's a mess.

Quite frankly, there are too many self-appointed prophets out there,
I watched a few of them with an open mind, totally without prejustice to see
if what they said lines up with Bible prophecy, and if events that are part
of their message actually come true.

The sad realization for me is that the majority of them does not have God as
the source of their prophecy, it's their own mind, a familiar spirit or simply
Satan, that seems to have his own messengers now.

Discernment is needed more than ever now to separate the true from the false,
and of course any given prophecy cannot contradict bible prophecy or the
nature of God. Realistically about 90% of the messages out there fail that test,
however the remaining ones are true prophecy. Basically the fake ones are
generated with the purpose to confuse everyone and distract from the real
ones, that have their source in what God says to his people.

The rate of false/true only shows me what kind of serious war is going on
in prophecy. I will stay with the prophecy that lines up with the Bible, and the
first one I expect to come to pass is Obadiah, that speaks about judgement
of the so-called palestinians. The Hamas victory indicates that this will come
soon, while the world still thinks there can be an arrangement God said
otherwise, there will be no lasting political arrangement, only judgment.

 

[cj]

Course, then there is the fact that.... today.... a Man is seated on the throne.


In love,
cj

 

[mutzrein]

Perhaps further to Lyric's Dad comment regarding revelation etc I would like to evoke some thought on a slightly different tangent.

But since this is your thread, if you think it would be better suited to another let me know.

Scripture tells us that knowledge will increase in the last days. Since God is the author of knowledge and He has consistently been giving man more knowledge in the physical / academic realm, could we concede that God may just blow our puny understanding of the spiritual realm as it pertains to what is written in scripture?

Cheers

 

[Geo]

Hi mutzrein, you're a bit too general with who advances the world system.
"more knowledge in the physical / academic realm" is Satan pushing his
system onto man in order to establish his new world order with his ac
candidate on top that will sit in the temple in Jerusalem.

Yes revelation of scripture was/is gradual -- however not to be confused
with " knowledge that will increase in the last days" - that's Satan increasing
knowledge in the world to finish his master plan and to get glorified in man's heart,
he is the center of all world advances. Yes, it's not just a saying, it's result of
extensive study that is verifyable in every detail. This place is under his control,
although he himself is just a player, unwillingly advancing the will of God.
What explains a bit his fury and huge appetite for hate and destruction.

 

[cj]

could we concede that God may just blow our puny understanding of the spiritual realm as it pertains to what is written in scripture?

Has He blown away your understanding of His love of you as yet?

Or do you still sin, thus manifesting some degree of hate towards God?

Which comes first, love or light?

And life, what of life? Do you know life?

And Jesus, He upon whom all things initiated/built/ and for, do you know Him.


Tell us, when a man knows his wife in the most intimate of ways does he have in his mind any thoughts about something such as knowledge?


Truth is, when people consider knowledge its evidence that they have moved out of the realm of God's love.


Love and light,... together as one thing.

Not love over here and light over there.

Love and light finds its reality in one word,.... life.

Separate the two and there is no life.

And no life means no Jesus. And no Jesus means no God is present.


In love,
cj

 

[BenJasher]

Some days you don't know whether to laugh or cry, eh LD?

You read through a thread like this and you don't know whether to moan with the sages, or laugh with the fools.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Some days you don't know whether to laugh or cry, eh LD?

You read through a thread like this and you don't know whether to moan with the sages, or laugh with the fools.

I am still trying to pick through this and figure out how a thread about the unchanging nature of God took off down this trail.....

Moaning..

 

[cj]

Some days you don't know whether to laugh or cry, eh LD?

You read through a thread like this and you don't know whether to moan with the sages, or laugh with the fools.

You guys make it really easy...


Check this out, what does scripture say about a double-minded man?


Really, you set yourself upon your high places only to be torn down by God's word.


In love,
cj

 

[mutzrein]

Don't sweat it on my account. I believe in revelation. I believe in an unchanging God. I believe that God in His wisdom has seen to it that we are only given glimpses of His wondrous plan of salvation and then only at the times that He prescribes. To think that we know it all or to think that we have all the answers (based on our puny understanding of Him) only adds to our folly.

 

[cj]

It just dawned on me,.... BenJasher you wouldn't be double-minded if instead of looking at what your concept deems "sage" or "fool" you were found only looking at the Lord.


Honestly, the only reason a saint would make such a prideful statement is as a result of turning his eyes away from God so that he could gaze upon himself.


Oh Lord Jesus, save us all from our fallen and pitiful ways.


In love,
cj

 

[cj]

Don't sweat it on my account. I believe in revelation. I believe in an unchanging God. I believe that God in His wisdom has seen to it that we are only given glimpses of His wondrous plan of salvation and then only at the times that He prescribes. To think that we know it all or to think that we have all the answers (based on our puny understanding of Him) only adds to our folly.

No, I agree,.... its with the Lord I groan. And for myself first.

How wonderful revelation is.

Doesn't scripture tell us that God declared to Abraham "for now I know..."?

When Jesus died, His resurrection, wasn't it a revelation to all creation?

And what a revelation it was, and is.


We don't have all the answers, but we do have something far better, and that was my point in the above post.

We have the Person who is the reality of all the answers. And He has us.


But it takes revelation to see this clearly, and time to understand what it means.


In love,
cj

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Some days you don't know whether to laugh or cry, eh LD?

You read through a thread like this and you don't know whether to moan with the sages, or laugh with the fools.

You guys make it really easy...


Check this out, what does scripture say about a double-minded man?


Really, you set yourself upon your high places only to be torn down by God's word.


In love,
cj

cj, if you want to go off on typical tirades, start your own thread. Your comments have nothing to do with my op and need to stop. Stop hijacking this one.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Okay, so we have established that revelation is for today.

Why does the creed church not have Apostles or Prophets?

They were clearly taught in scripture to be part of the Church of Christ but they are suspiciously missing from the mix today.

 

[mutzrein]

I take it you are talking about men ordained by God (rather than man) to fulfill these functions.

I agree, there is much missing from the 'creed church' - as you put it, but so it is from many that seem to have acceptance in Christendom in general.

Is there anything that surprises me about that? No. But what is it to do with you or I?