God changes not

[Lyric's Dad]

I take it you are talking about men ordained by God (rather than man) to fulfill these functions.

I agree, there is much missing from the 'creed church' - as you put it, but so it is from many that seem to have acceptance in Christendom in general.

Is there anything that surprises me about that? No. But what is it to do with you or I?

Oh, it has much to do with us. There are many out there baptizing and blessing others who do not have the authority to do so. Going to a school to learn to teach the Bible does not make one authorized to perform the ordinances of God.

 

[cj]

cj, if you want to go off on typical tirades, start your own thread. Your comments have nothing to do with my op and need to stop. Stop hijacking this one.

Silly fellow, do you think your above speaking has any virtue after you agreed to BenJasher's mocking of saints speaking on this board?


My comments have absolutely everything to do with your opening post and the content of posts that followed, and if perhaps you were a little less quick to mount your high-horse and instead ask what another my be trying to say then you might just find yourself becoming enlightened about much.


Now, lets stop with the telling one what to do silliness and really get back to the subject at hand.


in love,
cj

 

[cj]

Okay, so we have established that revelation is for today.

Why does the creed church not have Apostles or Prophets?

They were clearly taught in scripture to be part of the Church of Christ but they are suspiciously missing from the mix today.

See, this is an excellent question.


"Missing" means that there was a "before" to the "missing" part, maybe if we identify this "before" we will be a little closer to understanding what brought about the present "missing".


A clue,.... where do apostles and prophets come from,.... keeping in mind that we are in a new covenant and not the old one.


In love,
cj

 

[cj]

Oh, it has much to do with us. There are many out there baptizing and blessing others who do not have the authority to do so. Going to a school to learn to teach the Bible does not make one authorized to perform the ordinances of God.

Again, a wonderful observation.

But tell me, what does scripture say regarding men who lack vision?


See, there are those who know when something is missing and try to fill the space with something. But if they are without truth/reality then what happens is that they end up filling this space with nothing of value.


How many times have poor men placed counterfeit dollars in their wallets?


But you're getting close, authority has a lot to do with the matter being discussed.


How though does authority come into play?


In love,
cj

 

[Lyric's Dad]

A clue,.... where do apostles and prophets come from,.... keeping in mind that we are in a new covenant and not the old one.


In love,
cj

The New Testament Church was founded with Apostles and Prophets as an integral part of the mix. It was not just for an old covenant time.

Amos 3:7
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Ephesians 3:5
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

 

[mutzrein]

Authority huh?

Whose authority? Yours? mine? The church’s? God's?

Of course, you are going to say God's authority, aren't you.

You see, one says he understands scripture. Another says he has the correct interpretation. Yet another will declare they are both wrong because he alone (and others like him) have the truth.

So who is going to say that they are working under God's authority and what do you say is the measure of it? Can you prove it? Do you work miracles by God's anointing on your life? Is the fruit of the Spirit evident in you? Or do you take onto yourself the so called mantle of authority and proclaim your ‘righteous’ deeds and ‘revelation’ of scripture before men?

This is the measure I apply. Any theology which leads to a 'righteousness' that is not imputed by God, is not the Gospel.

 

[duncdawg]

Going to a school to learn to teach the Bible does not make one authorized to perform the ordinances of God.

Then what does?

Last I checked, Jesus contantly preached how we could perform the same miracles He could if we only had faith in the Father above. NO longer do you have to be a high preist to enter the Holy of Holies.

 

[BenJasher]

Actually, teaching the oracles of God is a very weighty responsibility that should only be taken up by those who have been called to do so.

And I think that this is what LD is trying to say. And I think we all would agree with that.

Also, there is another thing that LD is saying, that we all could agree with: There are far too many out there (and in here) who are mis-handling the oracles of God, thinking they are doing the work of the Gospel, who have no calling or authority to do so. They are blind guides, false teachers, open sepulchres with putrid corruption coming out of their mouth in the name of preaching the Gospel. An abomination. Double worthy of the destruction for which they are falling headlong towards, and responsible for the souls of those they have led, and are leading astray.

All one has to do is read through a vast majority of what is said on these forums, and/or watch an hour of TBN to see what I am talking about here.

Most of these folks on here won't even know the Rapture has happened til they read about it in the Pentecostal Evangel.

(BTW: Duncdawg, edit your sigfile. "God created the world, not to world..." I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks!)

 

[duncdawg]

Oops, mah bags, Ben. Sorry to offend you so.

 

[cj]

All one has to do is read through a vast majority of what is said on these forums, and/or watch an hour of TBN to see what I am talking about here.

The above statement alone exposes the scriptural ignorance of Benjasher.

Who can tell me why?


in love,
cj

 

[cj]

The New Testament Church was founded with Apostles and Prophets as an integral part of the mix. It was not just for an old covenant time.

Amos 3:7
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Ephesians 3:5
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

No LD, the new testament Church is founded upon Christ.

But you're getting close.


In love,
cj

 

[cj]

So who is going to say that they are working under God's authority and what do you say is the measure of it? Can you prove it? Do you work miracles by God's anointing on your life? Is the fruit of the Spirit evident in you? Or do you take onto yourself the so called mantle of authority and proclaim your ‘righteous’ deeds and ‘revelation’ of scripture before men?

This is the measure I apply. Any theology which leads to a 'righteousness' that is not imputed by God, is not the Gospel.

Really, what measure you apply in and of yourself is nothing more than vanity.

Try using the measure that God has given us and is declared in the bible.

Do you know where to find it?


In love,
cj

 

[BenJasher]

No problem Duncdawg, I was just joshin' at you anyway. :-D

 

[BenJasher]

So tell me Cj, what was it possessed you (pun intended) to slither over here and spread your venomous poison on this thread?
Or did you just get tired of people ignoring you everywhere else?

 

[mutzrein]

Hey . . . whoa . . . Vanity? I have nothing to boast of except Christ my Lord.

If I judge, I judge the fruit - so if one preaches a gospel that denies the righteousness imputed by God, then I question with Paul how those who accept that gospel could be beguiled. Now as far as the one who preaches such a gospel is concerned, let God be their judge.

And as far as judging others is concerned, whether I think them vain or not I take this into account, “For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.â€Â

 

[cj]

So tell me Cj, what was it possessed you (pun intended) to slither over here and spread your venomous poison on this thread?
Or did you just get tired of people ignoring you everywhere else?

The same thing that possesses me to be like a sheep in the midst of wolves and guileless as a dove.


Matthew 10:16, "Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be therefore prudent as serpents and guileless as doves.


Again,... silly BenJasher,... we see you expose your underbelly, titled scriptural ignorance.

As for your comments on spreading venomous poison and getting tired of people ignoring me everywhere else,.... what else should we expect to hear from a wrong and strong one such as you.


Lets see, your above comment now makes it three times (is it) that you have brought your nothingness to this board.


In love,
cj

 

[cj]

Hey . . . whoa . . . Vanity? I have nothing to boast of except Christ my Lord.

Sorry, it was not directed at you in particular but at people in general.

I really have no contention with what you've been saying on this board.

If I judge, I judge the fruit - so if one preaches a gospel that denies the righteousness imputed by God, then I question with Paul how those who accept that gospel could be beguiled. Now as far as the one who preaches such a gospel is concerned, let God be their judge.

And as far as judging others is concerned, whether I think them vain or not I take this into account, “For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.â€Â

Don't get judging and discerning confused.

Case in point,.....

BenJasher has shown scriptural ignorance and I pointed this out. But my doing so is not judgement on my part.


In love,
cj

 

[BenJasher]

Hey Cj,

Remove the post beam from your own eye before you try removing the fleck of sawdust from someone else's.

I would appreciate it!

The axe has already been laid to the roots of your tree, and that which does not bear fruit is being cut down to be cast into the fire. Do you have any asbestos underwear, Cj? Eh?


*<This is where I mimick Cj's illustrious level of spiritual development>*
In love,
BenJasher

 

[Free]

Everyone,

Stay on topic and quit the personal attacks or the axe starts swinging and all guilty trees will be used for firewood.

 

[mutzrein]

Hey . . . whoa . . . Vanity? I have nothing to boast of except Christ my Lord.

Sorry, it was not directed at you in particular but at people in general.

I really have no contention with what you've been saying on this board.

If I judge, I judge the fruit - so if one preaches a gospel that denies the righteousness imputed by God, then I question with Paul how those who accept that gospel could be beguiled. Now as far as the one who preaches such a gospel is concerned, let God be their judge.

And as far as judging others is concerned, whether I think them vain or not I take this into account, “For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.â€Â

Don't get judging and discerning confused.

Case in point,.....

BenJasher has shown scriptural ignorance and I pointed this out. But my doing so is not judgement on my part.


In love,
cj

I said, "This is the measure I apply. Any theology which leads to a 'righteousness' that is not imputed by God, is not the Gospel," to which you responded, "Really, what measure you apply in and of yourself is nothing more than vanity."

Then later you said, "Sorry, it was not directed at you in particular but at people in general."

Sounds like it was directed at me alright. But I accept your apology on the basis that you have no contention with what I am saying. Mmmmm - why say it then, coz no-else seems to be saying the same thing do they?

As far as the difference between discernment and judgement is concerned, I am quite capable if judging whether or not fruit is bad. Spiritually, I discern it and then I judge it to be good or bad.