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God is a psychotic murderer

Milk-Drops said:
No one has been taken to jail in Canada for preaching against homosexuality. Google can't seem to find anything on this.
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Amendment, I finally found something. A cop arested a street preacher for saying homosexuality is a sin, but was let go when his higher ups found out what the charges were.


The Preacher was let go because the claims were pitiful. No laws in Canada or the US makes it illegal to preach against what ever you please. Some cops are just jerks
 
th1b.taylor said:
The Agenda of the Radical Homosexual Movement has not changed from the days in the late sixties when they burst into Church services slinging used condoms and screaming they wanted our sons. This was not and is not a popular discussion but yes, they do not want just to be accepted.

This is not a blanket statement from a radical Christian. Over the years I have had and presently do have some very well mannered Homosexual friends, male and female. But there is still the radical element and it is they that fight so hard for these things to insure their agenda.
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There is no covert singular Homosexual Agenda. Its a made up conspiracy theory. Just like your example, its nothing but over exaggerated nonsense.
 
th1b.taylor said:
The Agenda of the Radical Homosexual Movement has not changed from the days in the late sixties when they burst into Church services slinging used condoms and screaming they wanted our sons. This was not and is not a popular discussion but yes, they do not want just to be accepted.

This is not a blanket statement from a radical Christian. Over the years I have had and presently do have some very well mannered Homosexual friends, male and female. But there is still the radical element and it is they that fight so hard for these things to insure their agenda.
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I thought you were referring to something happening in the military.
 
Milk-Drops said:
No one has been taken to jail in Canada for preaching against homosexuality. Google can't seem to find anything on this.
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That is a rather brash statement. The internet is progressively becoming more PC every year and the CIA report on Bill Clinton's trips from London to Russia seem to have gone missing also but that does not make a statement of him making those trips during his anti-american demonstrations a lie just because they were removed from access today. I did not get my information from the web, per say. I learned the truth from a Canadian Christian I can no longer contact. I tend to believe on site Christians a great deal more than other sources, especially when we had exchanged a good deal of other information and when I asked a Canadian Preacher about this, he cut all conversation off with zero comment on why.
 
Bill Maher is the murderer because many people will listen to him and take it to heart. Thus sending them to eternal death.
 
th1b.taylor said:
That is a rather brash statement. The internet is progressively becoming more PC every year and the CIA report on Bill Clinton's trips from London to Russia seem to have gone missing also but that does not make a statement of him making those trips during his anti-american demonstrations a lie just because they were removed from access today. I did not get my information from the web, per say. I learned the truth from a Canadian Christian I can no longer contact. I tend to believe on site Christians a great deal more than other sources, especially when we had exchanged a good deal of other information and when I asked a Canadian Preacher about this, he cut all conversation off with zero comment on why.
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The Canadian Supreme Court said, in the article I posted.
"However, the Supreme Court of Canada declared Wednesday that oftentimes, it is impossible to say that one loves the sinner and hates the sin. It asserted that the hatred of the act was inseparable from hating the person or person group."

What?? So if my neighbor was an alcoholic it would be unlikely that I could despise that he drinks and despise the alcoholism without despising him? Really?
 
Deborah13 said:
The Canadian Supreme Court said, in the article I posted.
"However, the Supreme Court of Canada declared Wednesday that oftentimes, it is impossible to say that one loves the sinner and hates the sin. It asserted that the hatred of the act was inseparable from hating the person or person group."

What?? So if my neighbor was an alcoholic it would be unlikely that I could despise that he drinks and despise the alcoholism without despising him? Really?
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I agree that the concept is really awkward and misses the point. In my personal views I hold that when you are talking with a person and something about them offends you, you shouldn't conflate the entire person with that one thing. As you mentioned alcoholism. You don't have to endorse or like that the person drinks to much or is dependent on alcohol. I think the wording of the Canadian supreme court is clumsy because I think its trying to tackle a different point entirely. A lot of activist groups have a tendency to use filler words in place of their aggressors. For instance people against drug abuse tend to claim that drug dealers and users are bad people. Now, we can see that individuals aren't necessary evil. A person who use or sell for a ton of different reasons. Quite a few groups who are anti this or that tend to use the phrase " hate the sin, not the sinner" in a multitude of different ways to claim they aren't against the people, but the sin. However, many of these groups go out of their way to effect the individual people themselves. So the phrase usually just comes off as camouflage.

As I said the wording comes off clumsy and misguided and can be abused due to its vagueness. These issues are very complex, and I think people are way to hasty to over simplify them, but that is the problem with all activism. Its trying to make complex issues easily digestible, even if it muddies up the entire issue.
 
This is my fault because I mentioned the word Homosexual but this must stop or the conversation be moved to another string we have moved completely off topic and that is a dangerous thing for Christians to loose their focus this way. The topic of changing laws and the topic of Homosexuality was never intended to divert the topic.

I am guilty of using a flaming example but please, all of us, let's listen to Reba and stop this and get back on topic. The laws being proposed and formulated, all over the world, to come against the Christians was, I felt, important to the topic of the OP and the act of man on man sex was just an illustration of what I was speaking on, in this string, it is not an issue.

Please, let's try to act like Christ.
 
TOG said:
Speaking of the movie Noah, Maher said: "But the thing that’s really disturbing about Noah isn’t the silly, it’s that it’s immoral. It’s about a psychotic mass murderer who gets away with it, and his name is God".
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Well, mister Maher, since your world excludes the necessity for good behavior, I do not want to live in your world where there is no death and no judgment to bring bad behavior to an end.


TOG said:
Later in the same show he added: "Conservatives are always going on about how Americans are losing their values and their morality, well maybe it’s because you worship a guy who drowns babies".
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Ah, once again the church gets the blame for what those outside of the church do. Good job Maher. :clap
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Well, mister Maher, since your world excludes the necessity for good behavior, I do not want to live in your world where there is no death and no judgment to bring bad behavior to an end.



Ah, once again the church gets the blame for what those outside of the church do. Good job Maher. :clap
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Good morning JB, long time no speak.
 
Milk-Drops said:
I agree that the concept is really awkward and misses the point. In my personal views I hold that when you are talking with a person and something about them offends you, you shouldn't conflate the entire person with that one thing. As you mentioned alcoholism. You don't have to endorse or like that the person drinks to much or is dependent on alcohol. I think the wording of the Canadian supreme court is clumsy because I think its trying to tackle a different point entirely. A lot of activist groups have a tendency to use filler words in place of their aggressors. For instance people against drug abuse tend to claim that drug dealers and users are bad people. Now, we can see that individuals aren't necessary evil. A person who use or sell for a ton of different reasons. Quite a few groups who are anti this or that tend to use the phrase " hate the sin, not the sinner" in a multitude of different ways to claim they aren't against the people, but the sin. However, many of these groups go out of their way to effect the individual people themselves. So the phrase usually just comes off as camouflage.

As I said the wording comes off clumsy and misguided and can be abused due to its vagueness. These issues are very complex, and I think people are way to hasty to over simplify them, but that is the problem with all activism. Its trying to make complex issues easily digestible, even if it muddies up the entire issue.
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Well said. The Supreme Court tried in more of the quote to state the same thing but you have worded it better.
I agree it is a very difficult determination to make. So laws must be created in order to try to control what may cause violence rather than a peaceful environment for everyone.

Is preaching about a specific sin the Gospel message? I don't believe so. I have confidence that the simple Gospel of Christ is what changes hearts towards Him.
 
Well, mister Maher, since your world excludes the necessity for good behavior, I do not want to live in your world where there is no death and no judgment to bring bad behavior to an end.
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Atheists don't believe that there is no necessity for good behavior. Bill Maher is just as reviled by the murder and torture of innocents as you are. And may I just add that I find it increasingly more insulting when I hear that as an atheist I have no reason to believe in doing good. I don't look at the Holocaust and say "eh what's the big deal", I know that murder and genocide is wrong because it negatively impacts human flourishing. I can come to that conclusion on my own, as Mr. Maher has, without a divine entity telling me via scriptures written in the Iron Age.

When good happens in the world, who do you thank? It's though God's love, though you're personal relationship with Jesus/God right?

When something horrible happens, now we hear that "God works in mysterious ways". It's this double standard that Maher is bringing attention to.
 
My beliefs ... We do not live in a world that is void of God... There is no way of knowing ,in our minds what mankind would be like with out the presence of God ( the Christian God) covering the world. Although there are hints.
ObjMoVa As evidenced by others who claim to be atheists, around here, you are not all of the same mind...
 
ObjMoVa said:
Atheists don't believe that there is no necessity for good behavior. Bill Maher is just as reviled by the murder and torture of innocents as you are. And may I just add that I find it increasingly more insulting when I hear that as an atheist I have no reason to believe in doing good. I don't look at the Holocaust and say "eh what's the big deal", I know that murder and genocide is wrong because it negatively impacts human flourishing. I can come to that conclusion on my own, as Mr. Maher has, without a divine entity telling me via scriptures written in the Iron Age.

When good happens in the world, who do you thank? It's though God's love, though you're personal relationship with Jesus/God right?

When something horrible happens, now we hear that "God works in mysterious ways". It's this double standard that Maher is bringing attention to.
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I think if you have read the welcome posts to you that you saw that not all Christians believe that if one is not a Christian the cannot be a person who believes in a moral society. In fact I find it is an insult to our creator to say such a thing.
There is a thread somewhere here that quotes the American Atheist something or other (sorry I really can't remember their full name, I apologize for that) anyway they made the statement that they did not find the sixth, seventh, eighth, and nineth commandments of the 10 Commandments, to be unconstitutional. They stated that those were commonly understood moral standards of behavior. That spoke volumes to me as it should to both atheists and those that believe in the Creator.
 
Of course some of the commandments are morally correct. And if people refrain from murder because of their belief in the commandments, then there's no doubt some good is done there. I'm simply positing that "thou shalt not kill" is a good ideal in itself, not just because God said so.

If God said to torture people, would torturing be intrinsically good? I'm saying I don't think it would be.
 
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