God is pleased by constant affirmation?

[Guest]

What do you all suppose you'll be doing in heaven for all eternity?

 

[Vic C.]

Being one with our Creator for all of eternity. Please now, don't bring up the old, unspired question, "don't you think you will be bored after a while?"

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

What do you all suppose you'll be doing in heaven for all eternity?

Orion,
Somehow, I think that this is how you picture eternity.

I know that I will worship God for all eternity. But then I love the Lord. I love to worship God. I appreciate everything that He has done, and is doing, in my life.
When I think of Heaven, I imagine what perfect is like. I have used that term with non-believers before, and they tell me that if it is perfect, then it must be boring. Have you ever been bored? Was it just the most perfect experience ever?
Perfect is easier to describe by what it is not. It is not too hot, nor too cold. It is not too dark, nor too bright. There are no wicked people in heaven. The people that are there never do bad things. The people there all love God, and they all know that I love God.
There is no sickness. No disease. No pain. No fear. No tears.

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

You see Orion, when I think of spending eternity worshiping God, I know that I am spending time with someone that I love, and someone who loves me. Someone who wants me there so bad that He was willing to leave Heaven, come to this sin filled world, pay the price for my sin and died on the cross for me.
When you speak of eternity worshiping God, you speak of someone that you have never even met and do not understand. I can see why that would not be appealing to you. I pray that you meet Him soon.

 

[golfjack]

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If one doesn't like to worship here on earth, then he probably won't like heaven.



May God bless, golfjack

 

[Vic C.]

: haha gabby! thief :P

 

[Guest]

I've been in christianity all my life, actually. Just recently started questioning a few aspects. It's totally fine, AND understandable to give praise where praise is due. However, too much of a good thing isn't necessarily "good". It becomes monotony. A Being such as God, wouldn't require such endless worship, since humility would be one of God's aspects.

It's not a matter of WHETHER God is worthy, but rather a matter of the issues involved with a being that requires constant adoration. It speaks of a lack/void that needs to be filled. The continual affirmation of "how great I am".

 

[JM]

...any Being who was satisfied with himself would HAVE no need of worship.

On what absolute authority are you basing this assumption on?

Thank you.

jm

First, I don't claim "absolute authority".

Second, Gabby, the logic is sound.

Does God NEED worship? If God does, then there is an unsatisfaction until worship is received.

If God does NOT need worship, then why is it still expected?

Then your views are based upon an arbitrary whim, therefore, your ideas cannot be valid, you lack an absolute on which you may draw a judgment. Your judgments however, are made based upon a borrowed Christian worldview.

 

[Vic C.]

Orion, somehow you are trying to bring human, earthly emotions into Heaven.

The Lord says, "Behold, I make all things new." Monotonous? No way!

If you wish not to be part of this everlasting kingdom, you may be making a grave mistake. Consider the alternative(s). :o

 

[Guest]

Orion, somehow you are trying to bring human, earthly emotions into Heaven.

The Lord says, "Behold, I make all things new." Monotonous? No way!

If you wish not to be part of this everlasting kingdom, you may be making a grave mistake. Consider the alternative(s). :o

If God makes all things new, then how would ANY of us know what to expect?

As far as the alternative, that's another subject. I see no justice in giving a soul back their living body, that can't be destroyed, just so they can feel pain in a fire filled hell for all eternity. :

 

[Vic C.]

If God makes all things new, then how would ANY of us know what to expect?
Exactly my point!

As far as the alternative, that's another subject. I see no justice in giving a soul back their living body, that can't be destroyed, just so they can feel pain in a fire filled hell for all eternity. :

Hmm, I dodn't say that. :-? I don't follow, what is it that you say can't be destroyed? You are right though... another subject.

 

[Guest]

If God makes all things new, then how would ANY of us know what to expect?
Exactly my point!

Actually, I was meaning, how would anyone know how 'worship' will happen, or if?

As far as the alternative, that's another subject. I see no justice in giving a soul back their living body, that can't be destroyed, just so they can feel pain in a fire filled hell for all eternity. :

Hmm, I dodn't say that. :-? I don't follow, what is it that you say can't be destroyed? You are right though... another subject.

I've heard it said that christians and sinners both are given bodies that cannot be destroyed. The christian will have a body like that of Jesus. The unsaved's body will be in order to feel the pain of the fire. Otherwise, the use of fire on a soul would make no difference.

In other words, the body is given to heighten the suffering.

 

[Vic C.]

Again, you are correct... a whole different topic altogether. One that sparks some very heated discussion here lol

I will leave you with this: Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

The unsaved's body will be in order to feel the pain of the fire. Otherwise, the use of fire on a soul would make no difference.

In other words, the body is given to heighten the suffering.

I am trying to pinpoint where your problem is Orion. You have jumped from a monotonous eternity in heaven to eternal hell. And you don't seem think that either of these things is righteous.

Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?

God, who got to define what is right and what is wrong, also gets to decide the cause and effect of such things. You say that you are a Christian. Take these concerns to God. Tell Him "Lord this is what is in Scripture. This is what I think. This looks like it is wrong." Now here comes the humble part. "Lord, you are righteous, Holy, Just and True. Therefore, there must be something here that I do not understand. Would you show me. Teach me. Make me understand this. In Jesus name I ask. Amen."
Pray it like you mean it. God just might open the windows of heaven and let you have a glimpse. He might also show you the things that fuel the fire of hell.
Personally, I was raised in such wickedness, that I have absolutely no problem with the concept of eternal hell. I believe God is a just judge. I am eager to see the day when I am separated from the wicked forever.

 

[Guest]

*Cough* Thanks to the member of this board who opted to "talk down" to me in PM. :roll:

I'm going to post here, similar to what I did there:

But to answer your questions, I was raised in church and was saved a good part of it. I did all the christian "duties" and DID have a "relationship" with God. At least, that's how I saw it at the time. It's only been recently that I began to question. Things that didn't make sense, some things that completely contradicted the beliefs that I held for probably 3 decades.

But anyway, this question is less about people worshipping, but more about a Being that would require it, or one who wouldn't be humble and appreciate, but decline it. It's LIKE unto a "selfish nature". A Being MAY have all the goods, but to "flaunt it" shows a less than gracious characteristic.

Here's what I think about the topic. I no longer believe that the Bible, every word in it, was all from the very mouth of God. I believe that men may have been inspired, but a good portion of the Bible is just the thoughts of man, and sometimes they can be exaggerated.

Here's the main point: I believe that a truly GOOD God wouldn't care about all the "singularly minded" lip service, but would be more interested in the vaste uniqueness of every aspect of His creation. The way we are, in Heaven, all that we do would be an "expression of worth (worship)" to God because THIS would be the people he created them to be. To be thankfully minded, having uber appreciation but not the endless droning of worshippers surrounding a "throne" (a man made invention).

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said ... Yea, hath God said___________?

 

[Guest]

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said ... Yea, hath God said___________?

Didn't realize that an angel, Satan, was just "another beast of the field". More figurative language proving non-literalness.

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said ... Yea, hath God said___________?

Didn't realize that an angel, Satan, was just "another beast of the field". More figurative language proving non-literalness.

It says that the serpent was more subtil than any beast. God is talking about how subtil the enemy is.

 

[lovely]

Hi Orion,


Orion wrote:

What do you all suppose you'll be doing in heaven for all eternity?

My impression of Heaven is that it will be a bit like Eden in tone, but perhaps more beautiful, and maybe even more modern...with architecture, roads, etc. I think I will be working there, and will be content in my will, and spirit. I am sure that I will be fellowshipping with the saints, my family, and always in the presence of God. I will live there, learning perhaps, and all I do will be done in a manner of praise, because all I do will be done for Him, my Love, my Redeemer. I will be able to do all things with a song in my heart, and apart from arrogance.

Okay, I saw your other post too, Orion.

Orion wrote:

But anyway, this question is less about people worshipping, but more about a Being that would require it, or one who wouldn't be humble and appreciate, but decline it. It's LIKE unto a "selfish nature". A Being MAY have all the goods, but to "flaunt it" shows a less than gracious characteristic.

I don't know a Being of this description, nor do I believe that Scripture teaches this...this sounds man-made to me. The God I know is abundantly gracious, and gave His Son, who condescended to become man (very humble...much more than any humility my mind can trump up.), in order to redeem us while we were yet sinners. I ask my children for their hearts, and ask them to keep their eyes on me, and my teaching, to train them. God does the same for us, and asks us to do all with a joyful heart, and unto Him, because of the same principal of protection from the false teachings of the deceiver.


Orion wrote:

Here's the main point: I believe that a truly GOOD God wouldn't care about all the "singularly minded" lip service, but would be more interested in the vaste uniqueness of every aspect of His creation. The way we are, in Heaven, all that we do would be an "expression of worth (worship)" to God because THIS would be the people he created them to be. To be thankfully minded, having uber appreciation but not the endless droning of worshippers surrounding a "throne" (a man made invention).

I do not see any major problems with this part of your post really. I don't want to be nitpicky, but I must point out that God love us because it is His will, but nothing about us is deserving of it. I don't recall anyone advocating "singularly minded" lip service here, but I could have missed something. I do not believe that genuine praise, and praiseful living, could ever be equal to endless droning. I love speaking about God, and listening to others speak about Him. I love speaking to God, and am elated when I feel He has taught me some golden nugget of Truth that I didn't know before, or that I packed away too deeply. This is not endless droning, but a very relational, thankful, interaction.

I think we are all created for a purpose, and the angels, and the beings that we are unfamiliar with, work in their purpose contentedly, and willingly, and there would never be a case of endless droning because Heaven is not monotonous for anyone there... because of God! Those who Love Him will desire to be with Him...just as we desire to be with those we love here...it is that sort of magnetism. I imagine Hell is where the monotony will build up.

The Lord bless you.