God Wants You Well

[th1b.taylor]

Mat 9:2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.
Mat 9:3 And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth.
Mat 9:4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?
Mat 9:5 For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk?
Mat 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

On this subject i will not say either or... God can and does heal our bodies.. Yet we die.. some Christians die quickly ( car crash) some of old age .. some illnesses ... some die very young...

I ask those who believe and teach as Copeland does are there any sick people in the hospitals in your area?
Yet i believe He is thee Healer... of both soul and body...
If any one here has the faith use it .. tell Ol taylor to rise and walk...

Yes mam, I can not and I will not even try to defy the will of the Father.

 

[th1b.taylor]

My 33 yr old daughter came visit us for Christmas .We all expected her to be dead a year ago already due to terminal cancer.She went for a routine checkup about just before facing the inevitable and the tests showed no signs of the desease anymore.We had a lovely Christmas and in fact she even recieved a proposal for marriage.Some people she tells believe that she never had cancer in the first place.
This forum prayed for here, everyone we knew prayed for and God chose to keep her here with us . She is as re leaved as the Blind Man in John 9 and for those who do not believe that God healed her verse 39 Jesus said "For judgement I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who will see will become blind."

A Catholic lass walked into our Church one Sunday. She lived about 200 yards away through the woods and she wanted prayer. The Worship Team and two Deacons laid on hands, prayed and one Deacon anointed her head with Olive Oil.

I recall that two or three days later she checked into the hospital to have the Grapefruit size cancer removed. We she came to herself in Recovery, the surgeon was seated, right there. He asked her if she had been prayed for, she said yes and he became visibly upset with her. He told her that if she had told him, he would have given her another xray and she would have one less scar on her body, there was no cancer and there was no growth there. God healed her.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

My 33 yr old daughter came visit us for Christmas .We all expected her to be dead a year ago already due to terminal cancer.She went for a routine checkup about just before facing the inevitable and the tests showed no signs of the desease anymore.We had a lovely Christmas and in fact she even recieved a proposal for marriage.Some people she tells believe that she never had cancer in the first place.
This forum prayed for here, everyone we knew prayed for and God chose to keep her here with us . She is as re leaved as the Blind Man in John 9 and for those who do not believe that God healed her verse 39 Jesus said "For judgement I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who will see will become blind."

Praise the Lord Tony!
God is wonderful!

But it doesn't always happen this way.
My wonderful pastor lost his 15 year old son to lung cancer.
Nobody in the family ever had cancer and nobody smoked or anything.
Where did it come from?
Why did God take him?
More Christians around the world prayed for the healing of this young man but he did not receive it.
It was my pastor's only son.
How can it be explained?

God does what God does.
Some things in life we have to wait until we get there to get answers.

 

[Tony Hyman]

You are so correct in saying that it doesn't always happen this way Rollo.Why God chooses to do what He does, is not for us to say .The only thing that I can think of in order to get some sort of understanding as to why some and not others are spared is the fact that God sees things different to the way we normally would. "My thoughts," says the Lord, "are not like yours, and my ways are different from yours." Isa.55:8 (TEV) Of course this does not take away the pain of our suffering and God knows that ,He of all "father's" would Mt.17:5 "This is my Son whom I love",
His purpose being "In the same manner Christ also was offered in sacrifice once to take away the sins of many"Heb 9:28.
This all sounds so easy for me to say now in hindsight that I am " out of the woods by God's Grace" as a father.But in all honesty these verses were all that me and my wife and family had in order to come to grips with the ordeal during the dark period.This is a miracle which God chose to perform according to His will,and for that we are grateful.

 

[Cturtle]

The problem with physical healing through faith in God is that if we don't see it, we can lose hope.
We don't see our salvation.
We don't see our new bodies.
We don't see our eternal life.
But we still believe it.
We still have hope in it.

Physical healing is something we expect to see and feel in the here and now and we don't always receive it.
If one says that we should see it and feel it, I believe that to be a false teaching.
Even Kenneth Copeland had to go to a doctor for his back problems.
But we don't hear about that.

However, his teachings are all about giving us hope.

And without hope, what do we have?
We hope for eternal life with God and that keeps us going.
Why not continue to hope for healing of ailments that we suffer with?
It is a biblical concept.

Faith, hope, and love.
God gives us these and wants us to have them and use them.
May it be so for all of us.

Actually Kenneth Copeland does talk about his going to the doctor for his back. He had an mri done twice. The second one showed that his disk that was totally blown out, was fully restored. All glory given to God. It was about 18 months between mri's, and he will tell a person that patience is one of the keys. Because as you said a lot of times when we don't see it right away, we loose hope. The problem is not with God but with man's i got to have it now desire.
Blessings.

 

[Cturtle]

First and foremost, I have laid hands on a Cancer victim with 6 other men and witnessed a surgeon confirmed miracle. I am not fuzzy about God's ability to do anything. My best Missionary friend, Jeff Mills is in Guatemala routinely heals people because God wants it that way! If it is in God's will it will take place and Just as Hezekiah was granted all those extra years, so have I been granted, Doctors are not stupid.

In my case to pray for my healing is foolish! I have been homesick since the day of my salvation. I am healed, forever! I have no desire to live one more day on this earth than Jesus has planned for me to live and there is no prayer that can or will change the date of my death of this body and translation into Eternity and this is true of every single person on this earth. If God meant for Christian to never get sick, we would not get sick and die, but that is not the plan, period and as I said, I want to go home and I do not understand anyone that wants to interfere with the will of God.

Bill, then i will pray that God gives you the desires of your heart. And i apologize for not being more sensitive to what you want. Blessings

 

[Cturtle]

Willie,
God is omniscient, it is one truth of Him and before Hezekiah was born Jesus knew he would ask and He knew He would give him the fifteen years. The same is true of each of us.

The same is true of Pharaoh and there nothing that slips up on God because He knows and He knew before the world was created. (Rom. 8:29, Ezra 7:25 ; Job 9:4 ; Job 12:13 Job 12:16 ; Psalms 104:24 ; 136:5 ; 147:5 ; Proverbs 3:19 Proverbs 3:20 ; Proverbs 8:12 Proverbs 8:22 Proverbs 8:27-31 ; Isaiah 31:2 ; Jeremiah 10:7 Jeremiah 10:12 ; 51:15 ; Daniel 2:20-22 Daniel 2:28 ; Romans 16:27 ; 1 Corinthians 1:24 1 Corinthians 1:25 ; Ephesians 1:8 ; 3:10 ; 1 Timothy 1:17 ; Jude 1:25 ; Revelation 7:12, Genesis 16:13 ; 20:6 ; Exodus 3:3 Exodus 3:7 Exodus 3:9 Exodus 3:19 Exodus 3:20 ; 6:1 ; 11:1 ; Exodus 14:3

Even though God is omniscient, all things are not set in stone. Such as Hezekiah. God was set to take him home, but because he chose to repent, God gave him more time. Had he not repented for his behavior (pridefulness) he would have died.
God chose king Saul, He expected that he would be a good king, however when king Saul was disobedient towards God, God anointed a new king. There is also Jonah, and lots of others. They chose to turn from their sin and God repented of wanting to destroy them, thus saving them.
Blessings

 

[Cturtle]

Mat 9:2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.
Mat 9:3 And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth.
Mat 9:4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?
Mat 9:5 For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk?
Mat 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

On this subject i will not say either or... God can and does heal our bodies.. Yet we die.. some Christians die quickly ( car crash) some of old age .. some illnesses ... some die very young...

I ask those who believe and teach as Copeland does are there any sick people in the hospitals in your area?
Yet i believe He is thee Healer... of both soul and body...
If any one here has the faith use it .. tell Ol taylor to rise and walk...

People who believe for taylor to rise and walk, cannot just tell him to rise and walk, because he does not want it.

There are many sick people out there, but it is not God's fault.
My dad was killed in a motorcycle accident. God did not cause the accident, nor did he desire for him to leave this earth. However i do believe that the devil did not like that he was making a difference for God, and thus caused him to be distracted, resulting in his death (meaning good people sometimes make bad choices). The devil hates us, and is the one attacking. If it's stealing, killing or destroying it's of him.
God bless you all!

 

[Cturtle]

My 33 yr old daughter came to visit us for Christmas .We all expected her to be dead a year ago already due to terminal cancer.She went for a routine checkup about just before facing the inevitable and the tests showed no signs of the desease anymore.We had a lovely Christmas and in fact she even recieved a proposal for marriage.Some people she tells believe that she never had cancer in the first place.
This forum prayed for here here, everyone we knew prayed for her and God chose to keep her here with us . She is as re leaved as the Blind Man in John 9 and for those who do not believe that God healed her verse 39 Jesus said "For judgement I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who will see will become blind."

Praise God Tony!! God is awesome! And this is a great testimony to God's wonderful love for us, and the power of unified prayer! Blessings

 

[reba]

People who believe for taylor to rise and walk, cannot just tell him to rise and walk, because he does not want it.

I think that is a very hate filled thing to say..

There are many sick people out there, but it is not God's fault.

Sickness came with the fall

My dad was killed in a motorcycle accident. God did not cause the accident, nor did he desire for him to leave this earth.
However i do believe that the devil did not like that he was making a difference for God, and thus caused him to be distracted, resulting in his death.

I see in your view the devil has more power then God...

The devil hates us, and is the one attacking. If it's stealing, killing or destroying it's of him.
God bless you all!

But the Lord is our shield. our fortress
Do you believe Christians should live on this earth in these bodies for ever?

 

[Cturtle]

Praise the Lord Tony!
God is wonderful!

But it doesn't always happen this way.
My wonderful pastor lost his 15 year old son to lung cancer.
Nobody in the family ever had cancer and nobody smoked or anything.
Where did it come from?
Why did God take him?
More Christians around the world prayed for the healing of this young man but he did not receive it.
It was my pastor's only son.
How can it be explained?

God does what God does.
Some things in life we have to wait until we get there to get answers.

Maybe the better question to ask is why could God not save this boy? Especially with all the people praying for him. God didn't inflict this disease upon him, and does not cause people to be sick. I do wish that i could tell you why he was not healed. But to say that God chooses not to heal some but heals others, means that the verse that says that He treats everyone the same (not a respector of persons) is a lie.
Just my thoughts.

 

[reba]

Why God decided at one time to restore my Grandmothers life and then take her home to Him self about 30 years later is His business...

 

[th1b.taylor]

Even though God is omniscient, all things are not set in stone. Such as Hezekiah. God was set to take him home, but because he chose to repent, God gave him more time. Had he not repented for his behavior (pridefulness) he would have died.
God chose king Saul, He expected that he would be a good king, however when king Saul was disobedient towards God, God anointed a new king. There is also Jonah, and lots of others. They chose to turn from their sin and God repented of wanting to destroy them, thus saving them.
Blessings

Then God is not Omniscient! God being omniscient is right now here with us, is in the past, right now and is in the future, right now. This is where the Five Point Hyper Calvinist moves away from the teaching of Calvin and from the teaching of God. I am bad but i always ask folks to do the topical studies as lined out in the Nave's Topical and I recommend the complete study to you, it is extensive. But God foreknows because he is as I have described, completely, without limit. For God to create people for no other reason than they will strive and then go to Hell to suffer for their strife for eternity would make God capricious and if that is so, He is sinful? God forbid that none may ever be so foolish!

 

[Cturtle]

I think that is a very hate filled thing to say..

Sickness came with the fall
I see in your view the devil has more power then God...

But the Lord is our shield. our fortress
Do you believe Christians should live on this earth in these bodies for ever?

Reba,
I was not trying to be hateful. I told him i would pray for him and he basically yelled at me for it, telling me not to interfere. Maybe i should have just not said anything.
I agree that sickness came with the fall, however Jesus bought it all back for us with His Blood. And no i don't think that the devil has more power, i just think that we don't realize the power that God can do through us.
I agree that the Lord is our shield and fortress! He is our inheritance.
Our home is in heaven, not here. Jesus said we are but aliens on the earth.
Blessings

 

[Cturtle]

For God to create people for no other reason than they will strive and then go to Hell to suffer for their strife for eternity would make God capricious and if that is so, He is sinful? God forbid that none may ever be so foolish!

Bill,
i will try to do an extensive study, i agree i think it is a good idea. The above quote, is that in regards to saved people or unsaved?

 

[reba]

Reba,
I was not trying to be hateful. I told him i would pray for him and he basically yelled at me for it, telling me not to interfere. Maybe i should have just not said anything.
I agree that sickness came with the fall, however Jesus bought it all back for us with His Blood. And no i don't think that the devil has more power, i just think that we don't realize the power that God can do through us.
I agree that the Lord is our shield and fortress! He is our inheritance.
Our home is in heaven, not here. Jesus said we are but aliens on the earth.
Blessings

With the faith you have please visit the children's cancer ward at your local hospital... Show the world what God will do through you !

 

[Cturtle]

With the faith you have please visit the children's cancer ward at your local hospital... Show the world what God will do through you !

Reba,
I promise that i will pray for God's direction. And that i will only go where He leads. Cuz i can guarantee you that my desire is to see All men saved and serving the Lord, and that there be no sickness or disease! It hurts my heart (makes me cry) to see the comercials on tv with the children who have cancer knowing that they did nothing to deserve it.
Blessings to you and yours

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

Praise the Lord Tony!
God is wonderful!

But it doesn't always happen this way.
My wonderful pastor lost his 15 year old son to lung cancer.
Nobody in the family ever had cancer and nobody smoked or anything.
Where did it come from?
Why did God take him?
More Christians around the world prayed for the healing of this young man but he did not receive it.
It was my pastor's only son.
How can it be explained?
God does what God does.
Some things in life we have to wait until we get there to get answers.

First of all why do you say GOD took him ?
God does not go around taking people out or putting sickness on them.

You said (( God does what God does ))
God does what He says He will do in His word. God is true to His word. God does not ever go against His word.
You said more Christians around the world prayed for his healing but he did not receive it......
So since the boy was not healed you say it was God and God took him home......

People blame God for a lot of things God had nothing to do with but then again it is so much easier to except this way. You never know what God is going to do, God giveth and God taketh.....
The fact is......it's us who miss it.......God is true to His word always. No room for question there.

People some times use "Faith" as a last ditch effort to fix a bad situation and Pray out of need and thats a struggle because there is NOT MUCH FAITH in it. If you wait until you are getting beat up to learn to fight, well it's a little late and you need your friend to come and help you but if you worked out daily and learned how to fight then you would be able to take care of your self........

It's the very same way with God and His word. If you are not walking in faith and doing all that His word says to do then you limit things and or results. Another words, if you give the doctors or what it looks like the last word in the situation then you are struggling BUT if you are not moved by the situation because you have your mind renewed and your heart full of God and His word and you GIVE God and His word first place and last place then you are praying with faith and not a needful struggle.

They say your gonna go blind in 1 week so see all you can see now,,,,,what do you do ? how do you react to it.
If the word of God rises up first and you are not moved by what the doctor said then you are gonna see your healing. ""Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth does speak."" That is why First Words are so ver vital.
If the word and faith and love and forgivness is not in your heart in abundance then it can noit come out of the mouth.

People tend to not put alot of effort into things until they need help then its either I think i will use my faith or panic city. All I kinow is the word of God does not return void. If you think you know the word and you find there is panic and worry and hoping so then chances are you really did not know the word as well as you thought.
There are too many factors in this post you wrote to give a better cut and dry answer. Such as how your pastor really viewed healing...... about where did it come from........thats not that hard to figure out. Who comes to kill, steal and destroy ??

 

[th1b.taylor]

Reba,
I was not trying to be hateful. I told him i would pray for him and he basically yelled at me for it, telling me not to interfere. Maybe i should have just not said anything.
I agree that sickness came with the fall, however Jesus bought it all back for us with His Blood. And no i don't think that the devil has more power, i just think that we don't realize the power that God can do through us.
I agree that the Lord is our shield and fortress! He is our inheritance.
Our home is in heaven, not here. Jesus said we are but aliens on the earth.
Blessings

Nooooo, I did not basically yell at you nor at anyone else. Building computers since it was point to point soldering, I know how to yell on the internet. But as a Christian I do not fear death, it has no sting! We are to live by faith and that is not with one foot in this world while we try to sneak the other into Heaven and i admit, I worry about people that do not obey.

Jesus told us to forget our mothers, fathers, wives and children and to move closer, ever closer to Him. (Luke 14:13) You see, scripturally, you and Willie are my prayer burden, the same is true of Reba and all the Christians like us. We are not yelling at anyone, especially not me. I learned early, after making NCO that following the Army model made your men hate your guts but a soft word of reconciliation always heals profitably.

 

[th1b.taylor]

First of all why do you say GOD took him ?
God does not go around taking people out or putting sickness on them.

You said (( God does what God does ))
God does what He says He will do in His word. God is true to His word. God does not ever go against His word.
You said more Christians around the world prayed for his healing but he did not receive it......
So since the boy was not healed you say it was God and God took him home......

People blame God for a lot of things God had nothing to do with but then again it is so much easier to except this way. You never know what God is going to do, God giveth and God taketh.....
The fact is......it's us who miss it.......God is true to His word always. No room for question there.

People some times use "Faith" as a last ditch effort to fix a bad situation and Pray out of need and thats a struggle because there is NOT MUCH FAITH in it. If you wait until you are getting beat up to learn to fight, well it's a little late and you need your friend to come and help you but if you worked out daily and learned how to fight then you would be able to take care of your self........

It's the very same way with God and His word. If you are not walking in faith and doing all that His word says to do then you limit things and or results. Another words, if you give the doctors or what it looks like the last word in the situation then you are struggling BUT if you are not moved by the situation because you have your mind renewed and your heart full of God and His word and you GIVE God and His word first place and last place then you are praying with faith and not a needful struggle.

They say your gonna go blind in 1 week so see all you can see now,,,,,what do you do ? how do you react to it.
If the word of God rises up first and you are not moved by what the doctor said then you are gonna see your healing. ""Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth does speak."" That is why First Words are so ver vital.
If the word and faith and love and forgivness is not in your heart in abundance then it can noit come out of the mouth.

People tend to not put alot of effort into things until they need help then its either I think i will use my faith or panic city. All I kinow is the word of God does not return void. If you think you know the word and you find there is panic and worry and hoping so then chances are you really did not know the word as well as you thought.
There are too many factors in this post you wrote to give a better cut and dry answer. Such as how your pastor really viewed healing...... about where did it come from........thats not that hard to figure out. Who comes to kill, steal and destroy ??

FC,
a complete read of the book of Job will reveal the context of Rollo statements.