Godbless, my take on the side of the north

[guysmith]

First, a little background. With his armies staging a short distance outside Jerusalem, the AC enters the yet to be built temple in Jerusalem and proclaims himself to be God.

2Thes 2:3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

This single action signals the start of a human wave which floods onto Mount Zion/ the old city of Jerusalem.

Matthew 24:15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

It also marks the beginning of the GT.

Mattew 24: 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

The AC quickly evacuates and orders his armies to surround and retake the city.

Luke 21:20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

However, the two witnesses and the inhabitants of Jerusalem will be protected from the siege, keeping the AC’s armies at bay for the 1260 days of the GT.

Isaiah 4:5And the LORD will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.


After the 1260 days the two witnesses will be killed by the AC and the protection of Jerusalem will drop.

Rev 11:3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

The siege restarts and for three and a half days that the bodies of the two witnesses lay in the streets of Jerusalem, the AC’s armies test the walls to the point that a breach is accomplished taking half of the city.

Zechariah 14: 2For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Then, Christ returns setting foot on the mount of olives sending an earthquake which split’s the city in half.

Zechariah 14: 3Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

It is the inhabitants that are on the North side that are protected.

Psalm 48
1Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness.
2Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.


It is this earthquake that is used to protect the remaining inhabitants on the north side of Jerusalem.

5And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Half of the inhabitants of Jerusalem will make it, half will not. This will fulfill the following parables of Christ.

Matthew 25: 1-13 The parable of the ten virgins.

Matthew 24: 40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Matthew 24: 41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith

 

[Godbless]

Amen Guy smith

Let Israel Build her third temple, let the last seven of the seventy sevens begin

4:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

 

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Godbless'

First, a little background. With his armies staging a short distance outside Jerusalem, the AC enters the yet to be built temple in Jerusalem and proclaims himself to be God.

It already happenned in 70ad by Flavius, the 8th emperor of Rome.

Bb's

2Thes 2:3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Once again, history proves that thru the Apollo oracle, Flavius was suppose to be the Christ and prophecied ruler of the jews, antichrist.


Gb's

Matthew 24:15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Which occurred in 70ad when Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed.


Gb's

It also marks the beginning of the GT.
Mattew 24: 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Which was the period between 70ad and 98ad, between Flavius the 8th emperor and Nerva the 11th.


Gb's

The AC quickly evacuates and orders his armies to surround and retake the city.

Luke 21:20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

70ad.


Gb's

However, the two witnesses and the inhabitants of Jerusalem will be protected from the siege, keeping the AC’s armies at bay for the 1260 days of the GT.

Godbless 7:3. Nowhere in the bible does it say the witnesses would physical defend Jerusalem, you're assumming.

Gb's

Isaiah 4:5And the LORD will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.

You're using this verse out of it's context.

After the 1260 days the two witnesses will be killed by the AC and the protection of Jerusalem will drop.

You're adding to the scriptures. What protection?


Gb's

The siege restarts and for three and a half days that the bodies of the two witnesses lay in the streets of Jerusalem, the AC’s armies test the walls to the point that a breach is accomplished taking half of the city.

Walls have to be tested in the 21st century?


Gb's

Zechariah 14: 2For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

70ad.


Gb's

Then, Christ returns setting foot on the mount of olives sending an earthquake which split’s the city in half.

Zechariah 14: 3Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

When Satan saw that he was thrown out of heaven, he gave his power to the beast of Revelation. Who then tried to invade heaven with the false prophet where they were both thrown into the lake of fire alive and there armies were slaughtered by the sword that proceeded from the mouth of Christ. Their bodies were left for the vultures in heaven, the wedding supper of the lamb, Revelation.


Gb's

Half of the inhabitants of Jerusalem will make it, half will not. This will fulfill the following parables of Christ.

What about the parable of the wedding supper who invited guests to a dinner and they all made excuses, so he sent into the byways and invited the homeless and the hungry? Weren't the jews the original guests and what do you suppose Christ meant when he said that none of those guests would taste of his supper?
What about the guest who was wearing the wrong clothes that was bound and thrown into outer darkness? Well, it is strikingly similar to Satan being bound immediately after the beast and the false prophet werethrown into the lake of fire in Revelation. Satan was bound for the thousand years during the wedding supper.



Gb's

Matthew 25: 1-13 The parable of the ten virgins.

Refers to the lack of knowledge of the scriptures.


other guy's

Amen Guy smith

Let Israel Build her third temple, let the last seven of the seventy sevens begin

There has never been a 2,0000 yr prophecy nor is there any scripture that supports a third temple. The beast of Revelation was the 8th emperor of Rome. Flavius was the beast. He was plucked up by Nerva the 11th emperor who plucked up the Flavian dynasty (Flavius' two sons, the 9th and 10th emperores.) Nerva, the 11th emperor of Rome, was the last Italian/Roman emperor by birth or blood.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

First, a little background. With his armies staging a short distance outside Jerusalem, the AC enters the yet to be built temple in Jerusalem and proclaims himself to be God.

If you wanted to destroy Jerusalem,would you place your armies a short distance outside Jerusalem?The answer is a big" NO."
Think in terms of the 21st century and not in the first century.The armies of the gentiles=false prophet also called by many A/C is not there to destroy Jerusalem.If he wanted to destroy it then he would just send a nuclear missile to destroy it and it would be destroyed.Insted the armies of the gentiles are there to protect it.You wouldnt build the tabernacle of your palace in the holy mountain only to destroy it.
It is the muslim kings that destroy Jerusalem.Not the United States.

 

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shilohs'

If you wanted to destroy Jerusalem,would you place your armies a short distance outside Jerusalem?The answer is a big" NO."
Think in terms of the 21st century and not in the first century.The armies of the gentiles=false prophet also called by many A/C is not there to destroy Jerusalem.

Shilohsfoal 23:8
Maybe you can tell me where you find that in the bible.

shilohs'

If he wanted to destroy it then he would just send a nuclear missile to destroy it and it would be destroyed.Insted the armies of the gentiles are there to protect it.

Shilohs 23:9


shilohs'

You wouldnt build the tabernacle of your palace in the holy mountain only to destroy it.
It is the muslim kings that destroy Jerusalem.Not the United States.

Eventhough it's been documented in 70ad that Flavius, the 8th emperor of Rome, whose name Constantine and Josephus adapted, destroyed the temple. And isn't it coincidencal that the two persons that destroyed the temple (Nebuchadnezzar and Flavius) are both alike in that one was given a beast heart while the other a man's for speaking great things against the most high. They both recieved a deadly wound:

Jer 51:6 Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this [is] the time of the LORD'S vengeance; he will render unto her a recompence.
Jer 51:7 Babylon [hath been] a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
Jer 51:8 Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed: howl for her; take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed.
Jer 51:9 We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reacheth unto heaven, and is lifted up [even] to the skies.

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

shilohs'

If you wanted to destroy Jerusalem,would you place your armies a short distance outside Jerusalem?The answer is a big" NO."
Think in terms of the 21st century and not in the first century.The armies of the gentiles=false prophet also called by many A/C is not there to destroy Jerusalem.

Shilohsfoal 23:8
Maybe you can tell me where you find that in the bible.

shilohs'
[quote:8emuddze]If he wanted to destroy it then he would just send a nuclear missile to destroy it and it would be destroyed.Insted the armies of the gentiles are there to protect it.

Shilohs 23:9


shilohs'

You wouldnt build the tabernacle of your palace in the holy mountain only to destroy it.
It is the muslim kings that destroy Jerusalem.Not the United States.

Eventhough it's been documented in 70ad that Flavius, the 8th emperor of Rome, whose name Constantine and Josephus adapted, destroyed the temple. And isn't it coincidencal that the two persons that destroyed the temple (Nebuchadnezzar and Flavius) are both alike in that one was given a beast heart while the other a man's for speaking great things against the most high. They both recieved a deadly wound:

Jer 51:6 Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this [is] the time of the LORD'S vengeance; he will render unto her a recompence.
Jer 51:7 Babylon [hath been] a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
Jer 51:8 Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed: howl for her; take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed.
Jer 51:9 We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reacheth unto heaven, and is lifted up [even] to the skies.

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

[/quote:8emuddze]

You would have to understand what the US is in scripture to understand what Ive said.
It appears you dont understand our present time and the events that place in this time.
As of now ,Im awaiting a new king of the north.Find that in scripture and you will find where I am.

 

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shilohs'

You would have to understand what the US is in scripture to understand what Ive said.

The U.S. is not mentioned in any of the scriptures.

shilohs'

It appears you dont understand our present time and the events that place in this time.

You're assuming, my friend.

shilohs'

As of now ,Im awaiting a new king of the north.Find that in scripture and you will find where I am.

The king of the north was Grecian. The king of the north belong to scriptures about the Grecian kings. The goat with the great horn of which four came up,the little horn that came up from one of the four is Greek. The whole chapter in Daniel is about the Greek Ptolemys in Egypt and the Seleuids of Antioch. The king of the north was Antiochus III, aka "the Great".

 

[Shilohsfoal]

shilohs'

You would have to understand what the US is in scripture to understand what Ive said.

The U.S. is not mentioned in any of the scriptures.

shilohs'
[quote:1rkml1h0]It appears you dont understand our present time and the events that place in this time.

You're assuming, my friend.

shilohs'

As of now ,Im awaiting a new king of the north.Find that in scripture and you will find where I am.

The king of the north was Grecian. The king of the north belong to scriptures about the Grecian kings. The goat with the great horn of which four came up,the little horn that came up from one of the four is Greek. The whole chapter in Daniel is about the Greek Ptolemys in Egypt and the Seleuids of Antioch. The king of the north was Antiochus III, aka "the Great".[/quote:1rkml1h0]


Not hardly.Matter of fact your way off.
You obviously have no idea where I am in scripture.I'll give you a couple of clues.
As of now Im 3 verses past the last US/Iraq war and 9 verses past the first US/Iraq war.

Oh and by the way.
The four kings that stood up for the first(king of grecia)are not of Grecia.
Daniel 8;22
Now that being broken,whereas four stood up for it,four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nations,but not in his power.

These four are not of him.

 

[Sinthesis]

Not hardly.Matter of fact your way off.
You obviously have no idea where I am in scripture.I'll give you a couple of clues.
As of now Im 3 verses past the last US/Iraq war and 9 verses past the first US/Iraq war.

Don't give out clues. Tell us exactly where you are so we can see what to expect next. :yes

 

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And the games continue. Spiritually shaking the dust off of my feet, fulfilling scriptures.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Not hardly.Matter of fact your way off.
You obviously have no idea where I am in scripture.I'll give you a couple of clues.
As of now Im 3 verses past the last US/Iraq war and 9 verses past the first US/Iraq war.

Don't give out clues. Tell us exactly where you are so we can see what to expect next. :yes

Im here-Dan 11;20

 

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Wow!

 

[Sinthesis]

Wow!

Seleucus Philopater agrees with you!

 

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Sinthesis'

Seleucus Philopater agrees with you!

So does history!

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Sinthesis'

Seleucus Philopater agrees with you!

So does history!

History shows Seleucus Philopater reigned for about 12 years,not "few days".
History also shows he was succeeded by Epiphanes.Now if Epiphanes is indeed the vile man in Dan 11;21,then the time of the end would have been when that man of sin was destroyed in 164 BC.Tell me then since you both agree the time of the end was in 164 bc.Who raised the dead during that time of trouble?

 

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Shilohs'

History shows Seleucus Philopater reigned for about 12 years,not "few days".

Seleucus was one of the four horns that came up after the great horn was broken. He was the first of the kings of the North. Antiochus III (the great), based on history, that ended the Aaron line when he replaced the high priest with a hellenized jew.

Shilohs'

History also shows he was succeeded by Epiphanes.Now if Epiphanes is indeed the vile man in Dan 11;21,then the time of the end would have been when that man of sin was destroyed in 164 BC.Tell me then since you both agree the time of the end was in 164 bc.Who raised the dead during that time of trouble?

You need to get the facts straight, It was Antiochus III.
The reason why these verses are misinterpreted is because of the following chapter in Daniel.
The key here is when the resurrection begun. It begun after the 1,000 years after the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive in the lake of fire. Satan is loosed after the 1,000 years and gathers gog and magog to attack the earthly Jerusalem and the camp of the saints (Antioch) but fire is cast down from heaven similar to Sodom and Gomorrah. "The devil" that decieved them was one of the devils/frogs from the Euphrates that decieved them that lived on the earth thru Satan's influence to attack Jerusalem and the camp (Antioch). This devil/frog was thrown alive into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet are, the books were openned in heaven and the dead raised, some to eternal life, some to eternal damnation and shame, New Jerusalem comes down and replaces the old heavenly Jerusalem where the Ark was found. The beast, the false prophet, and the "devil"/frog were 3 of the 5 fallen angels that were bound in the bottomless pit and the river Euphrates. The rest two had their power taken away but their days prolong (Daniel's account) until the harvest of the world where some of us won't taste death but be caught up (wheat and tares parable) into the barn (New Jerusalem).

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Shilohs'

History also shows he was succeeded by Epiphanes.Now if Epiphanes is indeed the vile man in Dan 11;21,then the time of the end would have been when that man of sin was destroyed in 164 BC.Tell me then since you both agree the time of the end was in 164 bc.Who raised the dead during that time of trouble?

You need to get the facts straight, It was Antiochus III..

You need to get your facts straight.
Antiochus IV surnamed "Epiphanes"ie,the illustious succeeded Seleucus.


The question wasnt a hard question.
It is written that at the time of the end this king of the north who exalts himself above all that is called "god"or that is worshiped would come against the south like a whirlwind in dan 11;40.This is speaking of the same king of the north who sends arms to place the abomination of desolation in dan 11;31.Now at the time of his death is when the resurrection takes place.
His death mentuioned in Dan 11;45
And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain;yet he shall come to his end and none shall help him.
The resurrection takes place AT THAT TIME.
Dan 12.1-2
And at that time shall Michael stand up,the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people;and there shall be a time of great trouble,such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time;and at that time thy people shall be deliverd,every one that shall be found written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,some to everlasting life,and some to everlasting shame and contempt.

You right about one thing.This chapter is concerning the beast and the false prophet but you have failed to understand the abomination that causes desolation is the mark of the beast .The "arms"mentioned in Dan 11;31 is those same arms that maketh fire come down from heaven in the sight of men.Rev 13;13.They are the armies of the getiles mentioned in
Rev 11;2
But the court which is without the temple leave out,and measure it not;for it is given unto the gentiles;and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Also in Luke 21;24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword,and shall be led away captive into all nations;and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the gentiles,untill the times of the gentiles be forfilled.

Now your saying that this king of the north mentioned in Dan 11;21-45 was destroyed in 164 bc.If that is true and the dead were raised "at that time" as the scripture says then who raised the dead in 164 BC?

 

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Shilohs'

You need to get your facts straight.
Antiochus IV surnamed "Epiphanes"ie,the illustious succeeded Seleucus.

How do you get from these greek kings, of Babylon, to the end times in one chapter?


Shilohs'

It is written that at the time of the end this king of the north who exalts himself above all that is called "god"or that is worshiped would come against the south like a whirlwind in dan 11;40.This is speaking of the same king of the north who sends arms to place the abomination of desolation in dThe question wasnt a hard question.
an 11;31.Now at the time of his death is when the resurrection takes place.
His death mentuioned in Dan 11;45

You need to reread my answer because it answers your guestion.


Shilohs'

And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain;yet he shall come to his end and none shall help him.
The resurrection takes place AT THAT TIME.
Dan 12.1-2
And at that time shall Michael stand up,the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people;and there shall be a time of great trouble,such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time;and at that time thy people shall be deliverd,every one that shall be found written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,some to everlasting life,and some to everlasting shame and contempt.

And where in Revelation does this ressurection take place? You're reading the end of Daniel 11 but what about the beginning? What is the beginning about? How do you separate the fact that this same king of the north, if you follow the chapter, came from one of the four horns of Greeece?


Shilohs'

You right about one thing.This chapter is concerning the beast and the false prophet but you have failed to understand the abomination that causes desolation is the mark of the beast .

The abomination of desolation is exactly what it means, the desolation of the temple, defilement of the temple.


Shilohs'

The "arms"mentioned in Dan 11;31 is those same arms that maketh fire come down from heaven in the sight of men.Rev 13;13.They are the armies of the getiles mentioned in
Rev 11;2
But the court which is without the temple leave out,and measure it not;for it is given unto the gentiles;and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Also in Luke 21;24

HIstory proves that Antiochus III defiled the outer court by using it as a gynm for his pagan athletes. That's a fact.


Shiloh's

And they shall fall by the edge of the sword,and shall be led away captive into all nations;and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the gentiles,untill the times of the gentiles be forfilled.

Sounds like the beginning of the Maccabees war.


Shilohs'

Now your saying that this king of the north mentioned in Dan 11;21-45 was destroyed in 164 bc.If that is true and the dead were raised "at that time" as the scripture says then who raised the dead in 164 BC?

I don't understand how you connect chapters 11 and 12 but can't connect the context of chapter 11. The chapter begins with the king of Grecia, the great horn, from which four horns spring up, the kings of the north being one. The Seleciud dynasty.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

precepts"
How do you get from these greek kings, of Babylon, to the end times in one chapter?

Ive read of one greek king in Daniel 8;21 and Ive already showed you that those who stood up out of the nations were not in his power.
Dan 8;22
Now that being broken,whereas four stood up for it,four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nations,but not in his power.
The kings you claim these kingdoms to be were all in his power.The kingdoms I know of were not in his power though they all came from the west to stand in what was the Persian empire.The last was Great Brittain and out of Great Brittain came the little horn.
From what Ive read of your understanding that you believe the same as he.Maybe you two have the same teacher.

You misunderstand the chapter itself.
If you didnt ignor the chapter then you would have known it was about the end times .
DAN 11;40
And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him;and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind,with chariots,and with horsemen,and with many ships;and he shall enter into the countries,and shall overflow and pass over.

I agree with the book of Daniel that these events are about the time of the end but you say these events took place thousands of years before the time of the end.
No wonder so many jews recieve the mark of the beast.They believe the same things about this chapter as you do.
As for dan chapter 12.
Daniel chapter 12 ties itself to Daniel chapter 11.Look as the first four words of that chapter.

"And at that time."

 

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Shiohs'

Ive read of one greek king in Daniel 8;21 and Ive already showed you that those who stood up out of the nations were not in his power.

Not in the great horn, the four generals of Alexander the great stood up after his death. HIs kingdom was divided in four by these four generals (horns).

Dan 8:19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end [shall be].
Dan 8:20 The ram which thou sawest having [two] horns [are] the kings of Media and Persia.
Dan 8:21 And the rough goat [is] the king of Grecia: and the great horn that [is] between his eyes [is] the first king.

Can we agree that the great horn is Alexander the great, the first king of Grecia that conquered Persia?

Dan 8:22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

The lil horn isn't even born or mentioned yet, why?

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify [himself] in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Dan 8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told [is] true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it [shall be] for many days.
Dan 8:27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick [certain] days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood [it].

"In the latter time of their kingdom", whose kingdom?

Dan 8;22 Now that being broken,whereas four stood up for it,four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nations,but not in his power.
The kings you claim these kingdoms to be were all in his power.The kingdoms I know of were not in his power though they all came from the west to stand in what was the Persian empire.The last was Great Brittain and out of Great Brittain came the little horn.

That's what the antichrist wants you to believe to hide the truth about Rome.

Dan 11:1 Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, [even] I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him.
Dan 11:2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than [they] all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

It's all about context.

Dan 11:3 And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.
Dan 11:4 And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.

Who is him, Alexander the great. His kingdom was divided but not to his posterity, not in his powers, in other words.

Dan 11:5 And the king of the south shall be strong, and [one] of his princes; and he shall be strong above him, and have dominion; his dominion [shall be] a great dominion.

The king of the south was the Ptolemys in Egypt from which Cleopatra sprung. Research the Ptolemys and Seleuid wars.
Remember the wars of the Cleopatras(egypt), with the early roman empire (Mark Antony and Julius Ceasar) which was the beginning of Roman domination of the Greek empire.



Spiffy's

You misunderstand the chapter itself.
If you didnt ignor the chapter then you would have known it was about the end times .
DAN 11;40

If you comprehend the verse or verses following, it was about the time of the end of his reign when he would wage his final wars and be broken. Besides, nobody uses chariots and horses to wage wars anymore. lol.

And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him;and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind,with chariots,and with horsemen,and with many ships;and he shall enter into the countries,and shall overflow and pass over.

Ditto.

I agree with the book of Daniel that these events are about the time of the end but you say these events took place thousands of years before the time of the end.
No wonder so many jews recieve the mark of the beast.

Most Jews were slaughtered by the Babylonians, Greeks, and Romans. The mark is after Jerusalem's and the temple's destruction in 70ad by Flavius, the 8th roman emperor.


Spiffy's

They believe the same things about this chapter as you do.
As for dan chapter 12.
Daniel chapter 12 ties itself to Daniel chapter 11.Look as the first four words of that chapter.

"And at that time."

As I tried to explain in my previous point, the misinterpretation is base on chapter 12. No one has made the connection to Revelation.

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt.

The key lies in Revelation. IThe fact is the "rest of the dead don't live until after the 1,0000 yrs", right. And if the rest of the dead don't live until the of the 1,000 yrs, then Dan 12 has to be the 2nd resurrection of the dead.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Can we agree on that, can we agree on the fact that this is where Daniel 12 and Revelation meet. Another fact that connects the two verses is the book openning.

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.