Godly trillionaires

[Classik]

Can a Christian get really rich and not sin at all?

 

[evenifigoalone]

I wouldn't put it outside the realm of possibility. Trying to get rich for the sake of getting rich isn't something to encourage, imo. But you have people who run successful businesses and may get rich off of them. I wouldn't put it past the realm of possibility to be rich and use that to help people, ie give to charity, as part of a Christian witness.
Possible, and I'd say probably has happened. But how likely it is is another matter. It's hard to gain material things without getting caught up in them.

 

[Blake]

I don't know anyone who can't sin at all, but I'm sure there are good rich people who are more righteous than I am. Did you ever hear about Jose Mujica, president of Uruguay between 2010-2015? He lived on a very meager and common income, 90% of his wealth went to charity. He drives an 87 Beetle. Awesome guy.

 

[Kenny_ms]

Can a Christian get really rich and not sin at all?

Yes.

Will they not sin? now that's a different story.

Money can corrupt but I can see a good strong Christian getting past that. The very basics are, if we work hard or even smart but within the worldly laws and Christian morals, one has every right to get paid for their efforts.

I agree working just for the sake of getting rich, or as some do, playing real life monopoly and making a game of it, in itself, is technically not a sin but it can easily turn to that. As I see it, especially if, as mentioned, at least a portion of the money is used for good and any good christian is probably going to do that but to what degree would be up to them.

So, again, I would say being really rich is not a sin but I assume you mean by "not sin at all" as in not sinning in order to reach that goal or by temptation once one has reached the goal. At least given the fact that man is basically sinful as Blake mentioned, and will sin but that normality aside, again, yes, it's doable to make the money and have it and there be no sin involved, maybe even quit the contrary. What fun it would be to have blessings like that to give away and help others. What a joy to ones self, as well as the joy to others to actually have enough money to change lives..... Wow!

Making money can be a heck of a driving force but so can doing good.

 

[Classik]

it is really hard if not difficult...but with God it is possible. The rich and the eye of the needle

 

[jasonc]

They only get rich because they doing it all wrong. I do believe some of these rich people have good intentions but instead of recieving and giving back to all who needs what like peter did in the very first church meeting they recieve and keep for themselves. Some christians havent been reading there bibles.

as someone who lives in a wealthy county. I have issues with the wealthy at times but let us also no assume what they do with their money until we really know. i'm sure you wouldn't like me posting lazy welfare recipients all of them worthless. not in all cases.

 

[jasonc]

Jason. You seldom get rich without looking at figures and have money on the mind and worship it. Its how business works in this modern world. The two go hand in hand.

I know honest business man. lets just say when my grandparents died. they left a trust worth over a few hundred thousand. they didn't get that by dishonesty. they helped people. the man who runs the trust isn't poor hardly. he comes across as an honest banker. its hard yes but not impossible.

our culture does make it hard but then its as hard to be single and a virgin in this culture.

 

[jasonc]

More corps than anything. Some bankers maybe honest people but there life revolves around money. It must be a tough road.

its is but well lets not assume that all are billioniares. Im rich compared to those in Gifford as I have mortgage and I don't rent. I have in time property, a retirement plan. does that make me wealthy? yes in someones perspective. I sense the spirit of jealously. I have got caught in the rat race. the military does tend to push that one must train and is competetive at times.

I also know a doctor who is saved, been to his house. his property (home itself ) is bigger then my lot and my home could fit inside his. yet he is saved. whom am I to say he got that by greed? likely he felt he had a talent and went to learn to heal and is blessed by god to do that. both him and his wife are doctors. his wife doesn't work and stays home. he attends the common folk church and isn't snobbish. one of three that I know as I train with them at medinas. former chiropractor is also in this category. he also is wealthier then me and homeschools. for me I don't need that amount of money but 60 grand a year as a sole income would enable me to work just one job. that isn't greed to me as my wife isn't able to work.

 

[Kenny_ms]

More corps than anything. Some bankers maybe honest people but there life revolves around money. It must be a tough road.

Not necessarily.

Do you ever think that there is nothing in this world that can possibly tear me away from God and his ways? Once that happens it can far surpasses any temptation...that just doesn't seem that unimaginable to me. Some people are just immovable, like a rock and I'd guess some of us don't give ourselves enough credit and would be just that under the circumstances.

They only get rich because they doing it all wrong. I do believe some of these rich people have good intentions but instead of recieving and giving back to all who needs what like peter did in the very first church meeting they recieve and keep for themselves. Some christians havent been reading there bibles.

What is the exact amount the Bible says we *have* to give?

As far as what we would give, charity and such, we are probably expected to give some but even if we hardly gave any of our riches away, it wouldn't, in itself, send us to hell. Beyond a certain point, it's up to us how much.

IMO, beyond what we need, or need to perpetuate a business that helps people one way or another, if we didn't give it away, we would be doing ourselves a great injustice. I mean what's the point of holding on to excess when we could be building rewards in heaven with it, to a true Christian, that just wouldn't make sense.

 

[Kenny_ms]

I also know a doctor who is saved, been to his house. his property (home itself ) is bigger then my lot and my home could fit inside his. yet he is saved. whom am I to say he got that by greed? likely he felt he had a talent and went to learn to heal and is blessed by god to do that. both him and his wife are doctors. his wife doesn't work and stays home. he attends the common folk church and isn't snobbish.

Some would say the doctors house is too big but that's up to him, he worked for the money and probably worked very hard for it, Christian or not.

I have a friend that would get a sour look on his face and say those people should share their wealth with the poor and it's true there are poor that can't help their situation but him, no ambition, lazy as the day is long, of course that's his attitude, everyone is to blame for his poverty but himself and it's the responsibility for those that worked hard to have, help the lazy that did nothing and have not. Terrible pretzel logical attitude.

He doesn't go on about such things these days, he knows better, not around me anyway.

 

[jasonc]

oh I could go into rants on what some wealthy do here. im trying not to project that or also post that. I have rants of that stuff.

 

[Kenny_ms]

oh I could go into rants on what some wealthy do here. im trying not to project that or also post that. I have rants of that stuff.

Sure, there are bad/cheating people in the world too.

 

[jasonc]

Sure, there are bad/cheating people in the world too.

lets just say, ugh. I was forced to move from a job that I miss doing to what I do now or not have one. nevermind the possible pension cut that is coming over the fact that they, the wealthy wanted to save money on electric bills with a sale, partial or otherwise of the electric grid. yet in all that I make more money and I also lost weight. just that well the lying to the people who truly wanted a break is what gets me.

the city isn't what it was to work for when I started. I understand some of that. what irks me is the fact of people claiming jesus and then are caught or assoiciate with or condone the lies told to the public on this issue. the hyprocosy of the people that tell the lies. one of them is a council member. so yes im really trying not to rant.

 

[Kenny_ms]

the city isn't what it was to work for when I started.

Many, if not most places to work are what they used to be.

Just over the last 50 or so years, people and morals have changed dramatically...that's what I've noticed anyway.

 

[jasonc]

the city isn't what it was to work for when I started.

Many, if not most places to work are what they used to be.

Just over the last 50 or so years, people and morals have changed dramatically...that's what I've noticed anyway.

I have only 12 years with the city. when I first started up to 2008 we had this stuff:
paid for Christmas parties with benedictions from a believer. usually lee brubaker at times.
gift cards for both Christmas and thanksgiving from city hall
better insurance(I understand Obamacare and the damage done)
better pension(paid less and got more)
I know the garage still does the Christmas cook out after the removal of the Christmas party on dec 23rd. they did that as well it was liked.
retirement parties., and years with the city and gratitude for your time with the city. even if we don't get raises, that goes a long way. I had a forward boss. I did as little as possible under him. I got a bad eval and while some of that could be held on my end. I did what I did for Jesus, not that man. when I applied for meter reading. my current boss didn't like the boss that gave me that bad eval and said. its jeff. I hate him. screw him and ripped up that eval copy and said that is a freebie I don't hold that against you. we run threw people but he is fair. work hard and he will have your back. screw off and your gone. he knows that if the fleet was to rehire for my old position and pay more I would go back and be taken. he told them that he didn't want to loose me.

 

[Michael74]

Its possible. Some people have been gifted with minds that can invent useful gadgets, start successful businesses, etc...

Then they can start a charitable trust to give their surplus stuff to worthy causes.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I think the problem with wealth, status, power, prestige (they overlap, of course) is that you trust in yourself, in your abilities, in your resources. I don't think wealth is an absolute hindrance to faith.

 

[jasonc]

I think the problem with wealth, status, power, prestige (they overlap, of course) is that you trust in yourself, in your abilities, in your resources. I don't think wealth is an absolute hindrance to faith.

that isn't unique to the wealthy. status can be a problem for Christian soldiers. one can be at my rank an have a power trip, make e-9 and or be an officer and have prestige and never make a million bucks. an e-9 with over 30 might see close 100k a year. in pay.

 

[AirDancer]

Can a Christian get really rich and not sin at all?

All Christians are sinners. No getting around that one.

Christians can also be wealthy and be good Christians at the same time. Christians can be poor, and be good Christians.

Income level does not mean a person will be a good Christian or not.

 

[Christ_empowered]

yeah, true, jasonc...like, growing up, these new faculty members, even adjuncts who might not even get a real contract w/ the university, would talk about how stupid their students and people in the area were, blah blah blah...and a lot of them were basically working in an academic sweat shop, lol.

Valid point, I guess is what I'm saying.