God's Command against the Belief in Freedom of Religion

[John Stefanyszyn]

God's Command against the Belief in Freedom of Religion
It is incredible how Christian churches support the belief in freedom of rights and religion.
Do you realize that God did not and never has supported or blessed man regarding the belief in freedom of rights, religion, and self will?
God gave a clear (first) commandment to Adam and Eve that they were not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and that they would die if they were to do so. Even though the tree of knowledge was in the garden (i.e. the choice was there) He clearly commanded them not to take of that tree. In other words, He told them that He would not accept their decision to choose for themselves to take of that tree and that they would die if they did so.

He makes reference to this command and warning several times in Genesis:
Genesis 2:17, Genesis 3:3, Genesis 3:11, Genesis 3:17

Afterwards God says that man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. This “one” of Us is reference to Lucifer who chose the tree of knowledge of good and evil and chose to do his own will and to become in his heart like a god. Satan, in fact, preached to Eve the belief in freedom of self will (religion) when he told her that once she makes this choice and eats (embraces) the fruit that her eyes will be opened and that she would be like a god, knowing (deciding for herself) what is good and evil. She decided that this tree was good and she ate of it contrary to the command from God not to do so, even in face of the warning that she would die. Perhaps she did not believe that either or perhaps she decided that it was worth it ( as the American saying goes” Live Free or Die”).

 

[Elijah674]

God's Command against the Belief in Freedom of Religion
It is incredible how Christian churches support the belief in freedom of rights and religion.
Do you realize that God did not and never has supported or blessed man regarding the belief in freedom of rights, religion, and self will?
God gave a clear (first) commandment to Adam and Eve that they were not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and that they would die if they were to do so. Even though the tree of knowledge was in the garden (i.e. the choice was there) He clearly commanded them not to take of that tree. In other words, He told them that He would not accept their decision to choose for themselves to take of that tree and that they would die if they did so.

He makes reference to this command and warning several times in Genesis:
Genesis 2:17, Genesis 3:3, Genesis 3:11, Genesis 3:17

Afterwards God says that man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. This “one” of Us is reference to Lucifer who chose the tree of knowledge of good and evil and chose to do his own will and to become in his heart like a god. Satan, in fact, preached to Eve the belief in freedom of self will (religion) when he told her that once she makes this choice and eats (embraces) the fruit that her eyes will be opened and that she would be like a god, knowing (deciding for herself) what is good and evil. She decided that this tree was good and she ate of it contrary to the command from God not to do so, even in face of the warning that she would die. Perhaps she did not believe that either or perhaps she decided that it was worth it ( as the American saying goes” Live Free or Die”).

Red Flag! satan was one of US that had Eternal IMMORTALITY? No one has unconditional Immortality but the Godhead! 1Tim. 1:12-17 + 1 Tim. 6:16

And even the resurrected saints will only have 'CONDITIONAL' immortality as seen again by having the Tree of Liferestored to them in Rev. 22:1-2. Nah. 1:9 documents that sin will never arise a second time, so these saved ones will have Immortal life from this time foward. Even if Adam & Eve had not sinned and had not of had the Tree of Life removed, they would only have had eternal immortal life on from the day of their creation forward.

And yes, most do teach as this post has done, that God lied & that satan did indeed teach the truth. Gen. 3:4

But this ones posting of Gen. 3:22's garbage of calling satan (angels are spirits! Heb. 1:14) as one of us, is satan's flawed stuff at best! Even perhaps past the Heb. 6:6 probational allowence?

--Elijah

PS: Sounds like just more of the J.W.'s false stuff of thinking that they can work their way to somewhere?? by LEGAL and an empty 'Eternal Gospel' (Rev. 14:6) with the Eternal 'Doctrine of Christ' WARNING! 2 John 1:9--11.

 

[Who Says]

God's Command against the Belief in Freedom of Religion
It is incredible how Christian churches support the belief in freedom of rights and religion.
Do you realize that God did not and never has supported or blessed man regarding the belief in freedom of rights, religion, and self will?
God gave a clear (first) commandment to Adam and Eve that they were not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and that they would die if they were to do so. Even though the tree of knowledge was in the garden (i.e. the choice was there) He clearly commanded them not to take of that tree. In other words, He told them that He would not accept their decision to choose for themselves to take of that tree and that they would die if they did so.

He makes reference to this command and warning several times in Genesis:
Genesis 2:17, Genesis 3:3, Genesis 3:11, Genesis 3:17

Afterwards God says that man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. This “one” of Us is reference to Lucifer who chose the tree of knowledge of good and evil and chose to do his own will and to become in his heart like a god. Satan, in fact, preached to Eve the belief in freedom of self will (religion) when he told her that once she makes this choice and eats (embraces) the fruit that her eyes will be opened and that she would be like a god, knowing (deciding for herself) what is good and evil. She decided that this tree was good and she ate of it contrary to the command from God not to do so, even in face of the warning that she would die. Perhaps she did not believe that either or perhaps she decided that it was worth it ( as the American saying goes” Live Free or Die”).

You speak the truth.

Let it be no surprise that those who speak more vulgar than any against you will also be the most excused for now.

It helps if we remember that this few seconds which remains for them is the only time they have left to glory.

That which we see is not the church of Christ. It thinks it is. It hates anyone who tries to tell it that it is not. Then it manifests unChristly attitudes to rid itself of the tormentors who speak truth to it.

The true church of Christ is spiritual and belongs only to those who are spiritually mature and have thus copperated with Christ, to put on Christ, that holiness might exist among them making it possible for God to dwell by his spirit also there among them. Hebrews 12: 22-24 is that true church.

The flesh at the base of the mountain called Zion is just the mix of good and bad people as was in the wilderness at the base of that mountian of God. And that is why it is raised as an example to us time after time, reminding us that most of those at the base of the mountain at that time died in the wilderness never having received priviledge to enter the promised land.

So when we speak words to the church that we see, it is the body yet of sin we are speaking to. They are all yet one in Adam's body and too blind to know they are yet confined to sin, having not listened to do what they must so that they may enter in among the true church in heaven's protection.

 

[jasoncran]

while theres only one way to heaven. i guess christian talibanism is ok too. shall we slay in the lord too? shall we make men by force attend church?love their wives, and also also live right?

i'm here in american in part of the response to said to fine example of this. something called relgious persecution. the irish left ireland over the opressive catholic church. and this country was founded by men who fled england over such things. so i guess the most dominating faith by force is the right one.
well then the rcc has the lead and the money to buy an army.

 

[Theofilus]

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. (Joshua 24:15 KJV)​

Sounds to me like they had freedom of religion. You have the right to choose, but that doesn't guarantee that your choice will be right.

 

[jasoncran]

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. (Joshua 24:15 KJV)
​

Sounds to me like they had freedom of religion. You have the right to choose, but that doesn't guarantee that your choice will be right.

The Birth of Indian River County
After years of philosophical and political differences, it was St. Lucie’s blue laws that brought everything to a head. Besides forbidding the sale of any goods on Sundays, the laws also forbid the showing of movies. In spite of the laws, the theater continued to operate on Sundays. To enforce the law, sheriff’s officers from Fort Pierce angered citizens by coming in, turning off the films and ordering patrons to leave the theater. The situation became the final weight which would crack the political stronghold St. Lucie County exerted over Vero Beach. Angry businessmen persuaded State Representative Andrew W. Young (who also happened to be Vero’s mayor and one of the movie theater owners), to sponsor a bill which would remove Vero from St. Lucie County by creating a new county. After rigorous debate, on that hot afternoon in May, 1925, Indian River County was born, and Vero became the county seat.
1925 would later be remembered for three things: the formation of Indian River County, Vero’s name being changed officially to Vero Beach, and the beginning of the end of the Florida land boom.

the blue laws are based on christian laws that made one not to work, and or drink. some of that i agree with but.. we can go to far.this is common knowledge to me

 

[Alabaster]

Afterwards God says that man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. This “one” of Us is reference to Lucifer who chose the tree of knowledge of good and evil and chose to do his own will and to become in his heart like a god.

This is pretty far-fetched. God was speaking to Himself: the son and the Spirit.

Satan didn't want to become like a god. He had a pride problem. He wanted to usurp God.

 

[Alabaster]

The true church of Christ is spiritual and belongs only to those who are spiritually mature and have thus copperated with Christ, to put on Christ, that holiness might exist among them making it possible for God to dwell by his spirit also there among them. Hebrews 12: 22-24 is that true church.

Yet, there will be innumerable Christians who will be included in the Kingdom by virtue of their faith in Jesus Christ who are NOT mature in their faith! Babes in Christ have the same standing before God as those who have walked with God faithfully for 50 years. Praise Jesus!


That is God's economy. Yours is something different.

 

[Who Says]

Yet, there will be innumerable Christians who will be included in the Kingdom by virtue of their faith in Jesus Christ who are NOT mature in their faith! Babes in Christ have the same standing before God as those who have walked with God faithfully for 50 years. Praise Jesus!


That is God's economy. Yours is something different.

Thank you for letting me know that. If it be true what you say it could be very important for me to know. :yes Let my response please demonstrate how constructive criticism ought to maturely be received. :yes


You told John:

This is pretty far-fetched. God was speaking to Himself: the son and the Spirit.

Satan didn't want to become like a god. He had a pride problem. He wanted to usurp God.

You see Alabaster the only problem I have with what you say is that the very premise expects me to believe that there is so little difference between God and Satan that Satan could even begin to think that such could be possible.

And I am sorry Alabaster, that just does not fly for me. God is so tremendously greater than Satan it is rediculous to think it could be as you say. It has to be as John Stefanyszyn has said.

I too use the the expression saying that Satan sought to "usurp God". But I use it incrementally to mean that Satan believes that he need not listen to God in all things as he thinks he has his own sufficient understanding of good and evil.

That is how we play God. That is how the body of us that is the one man Adam stands up in the flesh in the midst of the temple of God (in its earthly courtyard of the Gentiles rather than the sanctuary and the courtyard of the Jews) publicly showing himself that he is God. It is purely preaching that we have a God given free-will to choose for ourselves between good and bad that constitutes this.

 

[Who Says]

Sin first occurred in the Garden of Eden. Sin did not first occur in heaven. Satan did not become Satan until there in the Garden of Eden he first “opposed†God. He there made himself the devil in that he “slandered†God.

It is pure conjecture to say that God had seen Satan would become Satan long before he even decided to create man. And I have been guilty of saying that in the past, having picked up the infection from listening to others.

So then I am faced with having to toss that idea out as contaminated of human wisdom and quite possibly being an adding to God’s words which if not true would form part of a faulty foundation to confuse God’s word.

For if God’s word is truly complete it does not need such speculations added to it, does it?

Can anyone show me any solid evidence from the Bible that God did foreknow that Satan would become Satan?

 

[Eventide]

Afterwards God says that man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. This “one†of Us is reference to Lucifer who chose the tree of knowledge of good and evil and chose to do his own will and to become in his heart like a god.

Who Says..?

 

[Eventide]

Can anyone show me any solid evidence from the Bible that God did foreknow that Satan would become Satan?

Isn't it obvious ! Huge portions of the holy scriptures are prophetic.. things like the Day of the Lord.. and the entire OT is story after story all centered on the Lord Jesus Christ, written centuries before any of it came to pass. The Revelation of Jesus Christ (or the unveiling) is largely prophetic.. concerning the things which shall be hereafter..

But God didn't foreknow about Satan ?

How could that be ?

 

[Who Says]

Can anyone show me any solid evidence from the Bible that God did foreknow that Satan would become Satan?

Not speculation by ones own interpretation of things, but where the Bible actually and directly says it.

Where does the Bible actually say that God did foreknow that Satan would become Satan?

 

[Eventide]

Can anyone show me any solid evidence from the Bible that God did foreknow that Satan would become Satan?

Which means that you're contending that God did NOT foreknow that Satan would fall, correct ?

 

[Eventide]

Here's a verse from Isaiah which comes to mind..

Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

I think that if you're declaring the end of the matter from the beginning, and things that are not yet done, then I think He has knowledge of all of it.

.02

 

[Guap]

God's Command against the Belief in Freedom of Religion
It is incredible how Christian churches support the belief in freedom of rights and religion.

Yeap, we should make everyone follow the state religion and drown all the baptists like Calvin did!

 

[Elijah674]

Yeap, we should make everyone follow the state religion and drown all the baptists like Calvin did!

Are you up on the Bible Belt sun. closing laws? Or the real culprits, the Lord's Day Alliance made up of all the Rev. 17:1-5 ones?

Or the prison system + military [Caesar force] of ministors, chaplains or pastors being banned unless they COMPLY to their [NO SECULAR RELIGOUS TEACHING] Restrictions?
Acts 5:27-29 has already found USA Church's & Caesar above God, as this is allowed to stand! But what is New? (Eccl. 3:15)

But [very 'remnant' few] (read Acts 5:29 again!) are in this bottom/line and [MOST] by far are not wanting to be powerless! And Surely these ones do need Caesar to enforce 666.

---Elijah

PS: These ones..

Originally Posted by John Stefanyszyn
God's Command against the Belief in Freedom of Religion
It is incredible how Christian churches support the belief in freedom of rights and religion.

 

[jasoncran]

so. any creation of God can do something that he doesnt know about? God didnt foresee events in the future? such as the fall of babylon and assyria and king cyrus proclamation?

he doesnt search the hearts of men?

 

[Guap]

Are you up on the Bible Belt sun. closing laws? Or the real culprits, the Lord's Day Alliance made up of all the Rev. 17:1-5 ones?

Or the prison system + military [Caesar force] of ministors, chaplains or pastors being banned unless they COMPLY to their [NO SECULAR RELIGOUS TEACHING] Restrictions?
Acts 5:27-29 has already found USA Church's & Caesar above God, as this is allowed to stand! But what is New? (Eccl. 3:15)

But [very 'remnant' few] (read Acts 5:29 again!) are in this bottom/line and [MOST] by far are not wanting to be powerless! And Surely these ones do need Caesar to enforce 666.

---Elijah

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I have no idea what on earth you are saying here. Forgive me my ignorance.
The idea of Freedom of Religion in the West came from Christians fighting for a 100 years about whether or not we should be Protestant or Catholic. Basically they decided this was a very silly idea and let people decide what sort of Christian they wanted to be. They were free to live out their faith as they saw fit. The idea that someone God is against this is a bit strange IMHO

 

[handy]

God's Command against the Belief in Freedom of Religion
It is incredible how Christian churches support the belief in freedom of rights and religion.
Do you realize that God did not and never has supported or blessed man regarding the belief in freedom of rights, religion, and self will?
God gave a clear (first) commandment to Adam and Eve that they were not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and that they would die if they were to do so. Even though the tree of knowledge was in the garden (i.e. the choice was there) He clearly commanded them not to take of that tree. In other words, He told them that He would not accept their decision to choose for themselves to take of that tree and that they would die if they did so.

He makes reference to this command and warning several times in Genesis:
Genesis 2:17, Genesis 3:3, Genesis 3:11, Genesis 3:17

Afterwards God says that man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. This “one†of Us is reference to Lucifer who chose the tree of knowledge of good and evil and chose to do his own will and to become in his heart like a god. Satan, in fact, preached to Eve the belief in freedom of self will (religion) when he told her that once she makes this choice and eats (embraces) the fruit that her eyes will be opened and that she would be like a god, knowing (deciding for herself) what is good and evil. She decided that this tree was good and she ate of it contrary to the command from God not to do so, even in face of the warning that she would die. Perhaps she did not believe that either or perhaps she decided that it was worth it ( as the American saying goes†Live Free or Dieâ€).

I actually agree with quite a bit of this. Not the part about Satan being one of the "Us", nor about the speculation that Eve might have thought it was "worth it" as Paul tells us clearly that Eve was deceived...but I think the first paragraph is spot on.

The thing is, the Church needs to follow Christ's lead in the matter, after all He is the head. And basically, Christ has never, from the Garden onward, done more than give the commandment and explain the consequences of both obedience and disobedience. In the Garden, the command was "Don't eat from that Tree, if you do you will die." However, He left Adam to then instruct Eve and live out the commandment, or break it. Adam chose to break it.

Did Adam have "freedom of religion"...no, because in the end, he had to submit to God's decree and face the consequence of his disobedience. The same with everyone else. With very few exceptions, we do not see God forcing people to do His will.

But, it's a mistake to then think that we have true "freedom of religion". True freedom of religion means that we can take it or leave it and not face any consequences of "leaving it".

Now, I realize that many have taken the OP's mention of "freedom of religion" in a civil, earthly government way...but I don't take it that way. However, John might want to clarify if this was what he was getting at.