??? God's "happy" when you're happy????

[Gary]

but im beginning to think voting is pointless.

I've known that for years.
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[Willie T]

I found that video pretty interesting. She's probably a lot more honest than many people.
For instance, do we forgive someone simply because God said to do it, and we think it will please Him? Really?
Do we help others because God said to do it?
Are we giving money to please God? (Uh Oh...... Careful on this one, because we specifically have God telling us He wants us to be happy and cheerful about our giving.)

 

[Deborah13]

oh when im late, I ought to pray rather to control my anger at the eldery and slow drivers. its not their fault that im behind. and when im late I drive more aggressively.

Yeah, that's a guy thing. 2

 

[Deborah13]

I found that video pretty interesting. She's probably a lot more honest than many people.
For instance, do we forgive someone simply because God said to do it, and we think it will please Him? Really?
Do we help others because God said to do it?
Are we giving money to please God? (Uh Oh...... Careful on this one, because we specifically have God telling us He wants us to be happy and cheerful about our giving.)

imo
I thought when she said, 'when you obey God you are doing it for yourself' I thought she might be taking it somewhere that was going to be instructive and constructive, because it could have..
But she didn't, it was fluff and that's a sad. It was only a few seconds so to be fair one would have to hear what she had said before this about obeying God.

I obey God because I know He loves me. (oh gee, that's for me) I do believe He wants us to be happy no matter what is going on in our lives because we rely on Him and that glorifies Him.
Some Christians go through life looking like they have been sucking on lemons. They certainly don't look like they want to be obeying God.
Why would anyone want to serve a God that you believe wants you to be unhappy?
Oh, because I don't want to go to hell? (Well, that's for me).
Then there is I want my kids to know God. Why? Well I want them to serve God. Why? See lines one and six....
But when we obey God we have a better chance of living a good life right now then we ever would have on our own.

I believe God is a parent very much like us (or a good parent is very much like Him) He wants the best for us and we may not see it here on earth but it's not over here on this earth either.

 

[Willie T]

imo
I thought when she said, 'when you obey God you are doing it for yourself' I thought she might be taking it somewhere that was going to be instructive and constructive, because it could have..
But she didn't, it was fluff and that's a sad. It was only a few seconds so to be fair one would have to hear what she had said before this about obeying God.

I obey God because I know He loves me. (oh gee, that's for me) I do believe He wants us to be happy no matter what is going on in our lives because we rely on Him and that glorifies Him.
Some Christians go through life looking like they have been sucking on lemons. They certainly don't look like they want to be obeying God.
Why would anyone want to serve a God that you believe wants you to be unhappy?
Oh, because they don't want to go to hell? (Well, that's for yourself.)
Then there is I want my kids to know God. Why? Well I want them to serve God. Why? See lines one and six....

Amen on the needing to hear what was said previously.
Frankly, I get very disgusted seeing 33-second snatches like this, pulled from 45 minutes of teaching, and spread around in the hopes of slandering someone. It was all too obvious those were closing words to a message, and the clear intent of the OP here to post something like that puts me in mind of the Bible saying that SLANDERERS would be one of those not being accepted into the kingdom.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Yeah, that's a guy thing. 2

LOL, you don't know Texas Drugstore Cowgirls, LOL!

 

[jasonc]

Yeah, that's a guy thing. 2

I wasn't always like this. before I did the paper route, I didn't have to move as I do. once im done with the reading routes, im not as in a rush. I take my time.

 

[th1b.taylor]

imo
I thought when she said, 'when you obey God you are doing it for yourself' I thought she might be taking it somewhere that was going to be instructive and constructive, because it could have..
But she didn't, it was fluff and that's a sad. It was only a few seconds so to be fair one would have to hear what she had said before this about obeying God.

I obey God because I know He loves me. (oh gee, that's for me) I do believe He wants us to be happy no matter what is going on in our lives because we rely on Him and that glorifies Him.
Some Christians go through life looking like they have been sucking on lemons. They certainly don't look like they want to be obeying God.
Why would anyone want to serve a God that you believe wants you to be unhappy?
Oh, because I don't want to go to hell? (Well, that's for me).
Then there is I want my kids to know God. Why? Well I want them to serve God. Why? See lines one and six....
But when we obey God we have a better chance of living a good life right now then we ever would have on our own.

I believe God is a parent very much like us (or a good parent is very much like Him) He wants the best for us and we may not see it here on earth but it's not over here on this earth either.

Deb,
My post thanking you for sending the crazy old man back to see Bill got lost in Hype-space so I'm saying it again, thank you. I have loved Bill since I was trying to sleep that night after being on Guard Duty and going eye-ball to eye-ball with an eight hundred pound Tiger and my gun six feet away. Someone in the next tent put a record on and as sleepy as I was, when I heard Noah, NOAH, NOAH! WHAT!!! I did not sleep 'til night fall for laughing myself awake at the nut. And if a man can make one forget that close a brush with certain death, he deserves to always be heard.

 

[jasonc]

yes, of course god is pleased that we do things for him. but honestly, I know I have served god because I know something was in it for me. yes I did say with the caveat of if I was near osteen I would visit and post. and also with the internet one is distorted.

I could post all the stories about Miami, fl being bad for the jews in that there has been a few crimes against jews, hamas rallies but is that really the scene?

 

[th1b.taylor]

Amen on the needing to hear what was said previously.
Frankly, I get very disgusted seeing 33-second snatches like this, pulled from 45 minutes of teaching, and spread around in the hopes of slandering someone. It was all too obvious those were closing words to a message, and the clear intent of the OP here to post something like that puts me in mind of the Bible saying that SLANDERERS would be one of those not being accepted into the kingdom.

Willie,
I like your teaching and I admit that I know not the OP's mind here but from living close to the Osteen's ministry I do know they manage to slander themselves much more than anyone else ever can. Joel is not called by God and he does not teach scripture.

 

[jasonc]

well does osteen not post videos? surely one can get the sermon and post it and im willing watch the entire sermon.

 

[Danus]

Amen on the needing to hear what was said previously.
Frankly, I get very disgusted seeing 33-second snatches like this, pulled from 45 minutes of teaching, and spread around in the hopes of slandering someone. It was all too obvious those were closing words to a message, and the clear intent of the OP here to post something like that puts me in mind of the Bible saying that SLANDERERS would be one of those not being accepted into the kingdom.

The definition of Slander is: the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.

The clip speaks for itself. No one said she said it when she didn't say it. She said; "I want to encourage everyone to realize when we obey God we're not doing it for God, (although that's one way of looking at it) we're doing it for ourselves, because God takes pleasure when you're happy." There is no crime of slander there. There is not false allegation. No one said she said it when she didn't. It dose not matter what was said before that, or after that, because it's a stand alone statement that has no place in any biblical teaching of Gods word, what so ever.

Now, if self will is what motivates someone to worship God, then that's not worshiping God, that's worshiping ones own self, for their own self.

Judas did not sit at the masters table for what he could do for the master, out of love for the master. He sat at the masters table only for what the master could do for him. He loved himself, not Jesus.

Let's be clear about this video. It's not a trick. No one doctored this to make it seem like something it's not. This is a recording of Victoria Olsteen saying in her own words that she is interested only in what God can do for her. She's doing this for herself.

So, there is no "slander" here. If this clip reminded you of what the bible says about slander; ei speaking falsely of others in a bid to ruin, or destroy them in some way, you may want to look at the clip again. Consider who is speaking, what they are speaking, and to whose word they might be speaking of.

We might ask ourselves this, could Victoria Olsteen have misspoken? Perhaps she was meaning something else? That's a fair question, but so far I don't have an answer that says she misspoke. Not only that, her statement dovetails into everything the Olsteens teach and talk about God.

The last part of what she said was, ....."do good for your own self. When you come to church, when you worship Him, you're not doing it for God, really, you're doing it for yourself, because that's what makes God happy"......

 

[stovebolts]

Wow...

Colossians 3:23-25 Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters, since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward It is the Lord Christ you are serving. Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for their wrongs, and there is no favoritism.

 

[Willie T]

The definition of Slander is: the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.

The clip speaks for itself. No one said she said it when she didn't say it. She said; "I want to encourage everyone to realize when we obey God we're not doing it for God, (although that's one way of looking at it) we're doing it for ourselves, because God takes pleasure when you're happy." There is no crime of slander there. There is not false allegation. No one said she said it when she didn't. It dose not matter what was said before that, or after that, because it's a stand alone statement that has no place in any biblical teaching of Gods word, what so ever.

Now, if self will is what motivates someone to worship God, then that's not worshiping God, that's worshiping ones own self, for their own self.

Judas did not sit at the masters table for what he could do for the master, out of love for the master. He sat at the masters table only for what the master could do for him. He loved himself, not Jesus.

Let's be clear about this video. It's not a trick. No one doctored this to make it seem like something it's not. This is a recording of Victoria Olsteen saying in her own words that she is interested only in what God can do for her. She's doing this for herself.

So, there is no "slander" here. If this clip reminded you of what the bible says about slander; ei speaking falsely of others in a bid to ruin, or destroy them in some way, you may want to look at the clip again. Consider who is speaking, what they are speaking, and to whose word they might be speaking of.

We might ask ourselves this, could Victoria Olsteen have misspoken? Perhaps she was meaning something else? That's a fair question, but so far I don't have an answer that says she misspoke. Not only that, her statement dovetails into everything the Olsteens teach and talk about God.

The last part of what she said was, ....."do good for your own self. When you come to church, when you worship Him, you're not doing it for God, really, you're doing it for yourself, because that's what makes God happy"......

I suppose you can try to justify and rationalize your sad display here on an earthly forum, but God knows what you were truly hoping to convey.

You say she could have meant something else..... yet you posted 33 seconds of what you obviously hoped would show her in as bad a light as possible. Sorry, but as a Christian, I'm pretty embarrassed to say a brother of mine did that. Why did you not simply find her full message, and post THAT? I think we all know why.

 

[stovebolts]

Personally, I think the Olesteens do a fantastic job in God's kingdom and they have their rightful place. It's also a reminder that none of us have it exactly right, and we're all subject to saying stupid things regardless of our intent.

 

[Danus]

I suppose you can try to justify and rationalize your sad display here on an earthly forum, but God knows what you were truly hoping to convey.

You say she could have meant something else..... yet you posted 33 seconds of what you obviously hoped would show her in as bad a light as possible. Sorry, but as a Christian, I'm pretty embarrassed to say a brother of mine did that. Why did you not simply find her full message, and post THAT? I think we all know why.

I have no idea where the full message is. If you can find it I'll be glade to watch it and talk about it.
I'm not shadowing anything about the clip or what I'm saying about it. I'm saying it's an example of complete heresy from the mouth of of someone who is part of a self serving ministry designed to make them rich here on earth for their own glory. What she says, what the Olsteens are doing and teaching, is not biblical or part of Gods word. Can I put it any plainer?

 

[th1b.taylor]

Personally, I think the Olesteens do a fantastic job in God's kingdom and they have their rightful place. It's also a reminder that none of us have it exactly right, and we're all subject to saying stupid things regardless of our intent.

Steve, please, a question, "How familiar are you with the members of their church and have you attended their services?"

 

[Danus]

Looking for more of the message and perhaps a defense of it, but have not fond anything. If anyone can find the full context, or some defense of what Victoria said I'll be happy to check it out.

In the mean time, here are some other thoughts and links about the video clip.

http://midwestapologetics.org/blog/?p=1308
Mrs. Osteen’s words may sound wonderful to a culture raised in the belief that life is all about self, but they are directly opposed to the Bible. Before looking at some specific passages, let’s see if there are some hints of truth in what she said, after all, effective lies often have some degree of truth.

http://christiannews.net/2014/08/28...een-says-obedience-worship-not-for-god-video/
Steve Camp, pastor of The Cross Church in Palm City, Florida and former singer/songwriter, told Christian News Network that he viewed the video on Wednesday, and while saddened, he was not surprised at her remarks. He stated that Osteen’s statements were humanistic in nature and antithetical to Scripture.

 

[follower]

I must have dropped the thread before you posted this or, or, or , or my old man plague kicked in.

I told many that I would vote for Mitt because he was and is the lessor of two evils. Mormons and JWs are both called Christian by the Left Wing Media but they are not. I hope that Joel was saved before he began this slide toward Satan but I have not seen any sign of such. His, having been raised in a Church knows better than to believe the Mormons fall under the umbrella of Christianity. The thing that floors me is his mom's approval of his feel good theology.

plainly, as it is written somewhere , "the world loves its own"....
and there's even 'churches' placed under that umbrella (identified in the letters to the ekklesia in Revelation 1 - 3, and further,)
that aren't Christian but are christian (i.e. they worship god with their lips..... etc etc).

 

[th1b.taylor]

I have no idea where the full message is. If you can find it I'll be glade to watch it and talk about it.
I'm not shadowing anything about the clip or what I'm saying about it. I'm saying it's an example of complete heresy from the mouth of of someone who is part of a self serving ministry designed to make them rich here on earth for their own glory. What she says, what the Olsteens are doing and teaching, is not biblical or part of Gods word. Can I put it any plainer?

Danus,
Christians, today, live their lives in heresy, intentionally. I am oft verbally assaulted when I explain that every Christian is not saved but the term "Christian" has been forced to evolve into encapsulating every person in attendance at any service and, simply, that is not true. It is even not true of the occupants of the Pulpit. People desire it to be true but the seventh chapter of Matthew has been so perverted by lost men extracting the first verse and using it to shush the Christian message until, largely because of unsaved men and women inside the assembly, everybody willfully sins and does not judge the fruit of the people in attendance

When we look at how Victoria was and is banned from flying, I believe it was South West Airlines, and then we watch, objectively, the TV Shows of the Worship Service there and put it together with the lack of some of the missing preaching on homosexuality and there is something wrong. Then ex-members like Doc Holiday come along and, over coffee, explains why they left that assembly and Judgement must be used, no matter the disdain encountered. When Doc explained the management structure I did not believe him but after others confirmed the presense of active homosexuality, both in the assembly and in the governing structure, there is great heresy there.

As I was exploring where to begin my journey in the Church (the last quarter of '89) I watched Joel preach and I was struck with the knowledge that he, his mom and his wife had become great motivational speakers but I was reading my Bible then and I could not justify some of his or their messages that were being pushed. Other than the coupling of Bill Cosby to make the clip funny, I see a great message that screams at the Christian to awaken. You have offered a wake up call and you have done so with humor.