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Why does the modern church not celebrate God's holy days eg Days of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, Feast of Trumpets?
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Why does the modern church not celebrate God's holy days eg Days of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, Feast of Trumpets?
irishrain said:Why does the modern church not celebrate God's holy days eg Days of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, Feast of Trumpets?
My church observes Passover, Pentacost and Feast of tabernacles (Lev 23). We take communion on those days. Just the blood ordinances were done away with.
nuta said:Why does the modern church not celebrate God's holy days eg Days of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, Feast of Trumpets?
is your congregation a Torah observant group (as applicable outside of Israel), or is it more of a Paulinist Group with a view that Torah law has been abrogated? I ask in sincere interest.
irishrain said:Hi Georges
is your congregation a Torah observant group (as applicable outside of Israel), or is it more of a Paulinist Group with a view that Torah law has been abrogated? I ask in sincere interest.
Not to sure what your asking? We study both the old and new testaments.
The Torah was our schoolmaster, Jesus didn't change one Jot of the law. And the 10 commandments are still in affect. I don't think you would call us a Paulinist group. Thats one who just studys new testament, and Pauls writings right?
I was just curious. There are different Messianic groups out there who observe a variety of degrees of Judaism in their worship. I guess the spectrum would be....Messianic Groups who worship Messiah in the mode of Judaism (as the Apostles did), to the other extreme, those who worship Jesus in the mode of Christianity forsaking it's Jewish roots (as Paul did, or as it eventually became). A Paulinist group is one who subtily places Paul above Christ in authority.
We believe the Bible with God's law, statutes and judgments was given to Israel (Exodus 20: Psalm 147:19-20) and through Israel's prophets came the inspired Scriptures (II Timothy 3:16; II Peter 1:21).
I like that.....agree very much.
We believe civil law was given by God to Israel (Deuteronomy 4:1-2). The law was given for Israel's good (Deuteronomy 5:33). God commands us to obey civil law (Romans 13:1-7).
I agree very much...great set of rules to live by. However, I don't agree with the context of Paul's quote. My comment has to do with a more historical "political" reason for Paul's statement. In my opinion, Paul commands in Romans, not God. That's a different subject for a thread discussion.
We believe that one day out of seven is the Sabbath of the Lord (Exodus 20:10) and that Israel was to keep it (Deuteronomy 5:15) as a sign between Israel and the Lord (Exodus 31:16-17). We believe Christ became our Sabbath (Hebrew 4:8; Colossians 2:16-17). (Hebrew 4:9- There remaineth therefore a rest (Gr. Sabbatismos) to the people of God).
Agree and like that....
We believe in the ordinance of the communion as established by Jesus Christ (Matthew 26:26-29; I Corinthians 10:16).
Agree and like that, only I believe that communion was established by God at the first Passover, and that Christ merely expounded on it's meaning in reference to himself. I believe that "communion" should only be observed on Passover (not Good Friday)....as a remembrance. Just as it was/is practiced in Judaism. It shouldn't be flippantly observed every other Sunday because it's meaning would be lost (as it has become). That again is another thread subject.
Anyway we do take communion on those dates of Lev 23. And if one feels the need to take it more then that, its ok to do so.
I'm glad that your congregation recognizes the importance of the Lev 23 dates. I wish every congregation did.
spirit1st said:2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
DO YOU THINK?HE MET ALL THINGS?OR JUST THE THINGS WE CHOOSE TO CHANGE?
Would a child believe all things? or just certain things?
Mar 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
Yes? Man plays by HIS RULES. Always seeking control of the people. GOD on the other hand? Gives freedom.
Freedom from - specifically - WHAT?
We are bound by nothing!
Nothing? Could you be more specific about what 'THE RULES OF MEN' are? I keep hearing this talk from mainline Christians but I don't have a clue what they mean. Could you enlighten me?
Except to love one another, and be led by the HOLY GHOST!
"Except to love one another, and be led by the HOLY GHOST." Same old mainstream Christian stuff ...rather meaningless but infuriatingly consistent at least. What does this mean?
irishrain said:We believe that one day out of seven ...
Sorry, Irish, but this is not scriptural. This is man-made.
... is the Sabbath of the Lord (Exodus 20:10) and that Israel was to keep it (Deuteronomy 5:15) as a sign between Israel and the Lord (Exodus 31:16-17).
The (7th-day) Sabbath was made for M-A-N. (Mark 2:27)
We believe Christ became our Sabbath (Hebrew 4:8; Colossians 2:16-17).
Not scriptural. Again, a man-made belief invented solely to support 'Sunday' worship.
(Hebrew 4:9- There remaineth therefore a rest (Gr. Sabbatismos) to the people of God).
Nothing to do with the abolition of the 7th-day Sabbath or/and support for 'Sunday-keeping'.
Sorry, Irish, but I couldn't let you get away with this glaring 'man-made' belief.
Nuta >> Why does the modern church not celebrate God's holy days e.g. Days of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, Feast of Trumpets?
“Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day -- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.†Colossians 2:16-17.
“But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one IN Christ Jesus.†Galatians 3:23-28.
“Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer. Therefore if anyone is "IN" Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.†2 Corinthians 5:16-17.
IrishRain >> My church observes Passover, Pentacost and Feast of tabernacles (Lev 23).
IrishRain >> We take communion on those days. Just the blood ordinances were done away with.
Spirit Quotes >> 1Co 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come.
Spirit Commentary >> No limits here! We can do this as much as we please! If we do it ,to the GLORY AND HONOR OF OUR LORD AND MASTER!JESUS CHRIST!
“Therefore when you meet together, it is not to eat the Lord's Supper . . .â€Â. 1 Corinthians 11:20.