Got AIDS/diabetes? Proof of the medicinal benefits of peyote

[DivineNames]

Grob, C. S., D. J. McKenna, J. C. Callaway, G. S. Brito, E. S. Neves, G. Oberlender, O. L. Saide, E. Labigalini, C. Tacla, C. T. Miranda, R. J. Strassman, K. B. Boone (1996) 'Human psychopharmacology of hoasca, a plant hallucinogen used in ritual context in Brasil', Journal of Nervous & Mental Disease. 184:86-94.


Abstract:

"A multinational, collaborative, biomedical investigation of the effects of hoasca (ayahuasca), a potent concoction of plant hallucinogens, was conducted in the Brazilian Amazon during the summer of 1993. This report describes the psychological assessment of 15 long-term members of a syncretic church that utilizes hoasca as a legal, psychoactive sacrament as well as 15 matched controls with no prior history of hoasca ingestion. Measures administered to both groups included structured psychiatric diagnostic interviews, personality testing, and neuropsychological evaluation. Phenomenological assessment of the altered state experience as well as semistructured and open-ended life story interviews were conducted with the long-term use hoasca group, but not the hoasca-naive control group. Salient findings included the remission of psychopathology following the initiation of hoasca use along with no evidence of personality or cognitive deterioration. Overall assessment revealed high functional status. Implications of this unusual phenomenon and need for further investigation are discussed."

http://www.jonmd.com/

(search on "Grob" to find it, a direct link doesn't seem to be possible.)


This was a study of the religious use of ayahuasca, involving 15 long-term members of the Uni' do Vegetal (UDV). No evidence of harm was found.

 

[DivineNames]

http://www.heffter.org/pages/activities/prog2004.html

"Effects of Long-Term Peyote Use: This study is an examination of the effects of long-term peyote use on the members of the Native American Church, to investigate whether there are any measurable negative impacts of such use. The idea behind the study is that if hallucinogens such as peyote, used in the Church ceremonies, may be effective over time to treat medical and psychiatric conditions, we need to learn about the effects of long-term use. This study assessed the only group of people in America who can legally consume a psychedelic medicine, peyote, and who do so in large quantities over long periods of time. The data convincingly show that there are no measurable negative impacts. The study was co-funded by Heffter and the National Institute on Drug Abuse. It has been completed and is being submitted for publication. Location: McLean Hospital, a teaching hospital of the Harvard Medical School. Principle Investigator: Dr. John Halpern, M.D."


This was a study of 210 people. Three categories- church members who take peyote, non-church members who didn't take alcohol/drugs, and former alcoholics. No evidence of harm from the religious use of peyote was found.

This is about to be published, within a month I understand, and I will try to produce the reference.

 

[DivineNames]

With regard to the religious use of Ayahuasca in Brazil, it has been studied by CONFEN (the Federal Drug Council)-


"A study was made of the Daime by the CONFEN in 1987 which included visits to the various churches and observation of the making of the Daime. It also included study of another group of ayahuasca users, who call the drink Vegetal. The work group which made the study included representatives not only of the CONFEN but also of several other government agencies. The conclusion of the study was that the Daime was a very positive influence in the community, encouraging social harmony and personal integration. It was emphasized that, rather than simply considering the pharmacological analysis of the plants, one must consider the whole context of the use of the tea -- religious, social, and cultural."

http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Misc/santo.daime.html

 

[Soma-Sight]

Divine Names,

Nice job.....

I actually had the pleasure of "meeting" a bona fide Shaman in the Amazon that uses Ayahuasca as his sacrament......

This particular Shaman had done Ayahuasca 2500 times....

He was as healthy as any other person his age except for the smoking he did of nicotinia rustica......

I should have posted more of the Ayahausca healing effects vs the peyote....

There is much more evidence for it......

Although I believe both plants are sacred......

The "fruits" of these plants is evident as an increased awareness of connectedness to nature, an appreciation for creativity, and a non violent approach that most users of these entheogens posses.....

 

[Soma-Sight]

I have pics from my amazon trip somewhere on this board.....

 

[bibleberean]

"The "fruits" of these plants is evident as an increased awareness of connectedness to nature, an appreciation for creativity, and a non violent approach that most users of these entheogens posses....."

This sounds like the same garbage Timothy Leary was trying to say about LSD.

I don't buy it.

Sounds like drug use for recreational and spiritual awareness is being promoted to me...

Is this a drug forum or a Christian forum? :-?

 

[Soma-Sight]

This sounds like the same garbage Timothy Leary was trying to say about LSD.

I don't buy it.

Sounds like drug use for recreational and spiritual awareness is being promoted to me...

Is this a drug forum or a Christian forum?

I personally really dont like Leary a whole lot....

If you want a good expert on the field of peyote try...

Aldous Huxley....

Famous writer he is. Try the Doors of persception, and Heaven and Hell....

GREAT books!

 

[Vic C.]

I personally really dont like Leary a whole lot....

If you want a good expert on the field of peyote try...

Aldous Huxley....

Famous writer he is. Try the Doors of persception, and Heaven and Hell....

GREAT books!

Nonono, he was a Humanist and a free thinker. Please do not continue to endorse any more of this Soma. Please think of where you are before posting. :-?

 

[Gary]

No prob vic, I am done with this thread.....
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 722#211722

Yeah..... and the pope is not a Roman Catholic!

Do you think that the use of peyote leads to forgetfulness.... or is it only during your 12 hour vomit/trance that you are forgetful?

Once ingested, peyote can cause feelings of nausea before the desired mental effects appear, which are altered states of perception and feeling. Other effects can include increased body temperature, heart rate, blood pressure; loss of appetite, sleeplessness, numbness, weakness, tremors. Effects can be different during each use due to varying potency, the amount ingested, and the user's expectations, mood and surroundings. On some trips, users experience sensations that are enjoyable. Others can include terrifying thoughts, and anxiety, fears of insanity, death, or losing control.
http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/drug_guide/Peyote

:D

 

[Soma-Sight]

Nonono, he was a Humanist and a free thinker.

O man....

Have you ever read how he describes the splendor of Heaven and the many Jewels abounding as described in Revelation?

Well you will now! This is a small bite of this mans poetic flair.....


And what strange jewellery! Narrow slabs of emerald and topaz, of ruby and sapphire and lapis lazuli, blazing away, row above row, like so many bricks in a wall of the New Jerusalem. Thenâ€â€at the end, not in the beginningâ€â€came the word. In the beginning were the jewels, the stained-glass windows, the walls of paradise. It was only now, at long last, that the word "book-case" presented itself for consideration.â€â€Huxley's Island, 1962


A humanist! Hardly! A Visionary! Most assuredly!

A Freethinker! Of course!

All visionaries and Prophets are Freethinkers and break free from the spoonfed mold of their inherit societies....

JUST LOOK AT JESUS!

 

[bibleberean]

I don't want to look at your version of Jesus Soma. I don't want to take drugs and I really hope this thread gets closed or deleted.

Please, don't tell us you are done with a thread unless you mean it...

 

[bibleberean]

No prob vic, I am done with this thread.....
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 722#211722

Yeah..... and the pope is not a Roman Catholic!

Do you think that the use of peyote leads to forgetfulness.... or is it only during your 12 hour vomit/trance that you are forgetful?

Once ingested, peyote can cause feelings of nausea before the desired mental effects appear, which are altered states of perception and feeling. Other effects can include increased body temperature, heart rate, blood pressure; loss of appetite, sleeplessness, numbness, weakness, tremors. Effects can be different during each use due to varying potency, the amount ingested, and the user's expectations, mood and surroundings. On some trips, users experience sensations that are enjoyable. Others can include terrifying thoughts, and anxiety, fears of insanity, death, or losing control.
http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/drug_guide/Peyote

:D

Too funny! :

 

[Soma-Sight]

Too funny!

Kind of reminds me of the side effects of listening to hellfire baptist sermons on audiotape my grandparents had when I was young with the organ in the background and the screams of the damned humanists, commies, and gays...... 8-)

Yes I remember those side effects well....

Nausea
Vomiting
Depression
Diarhea
Sick Stomach
Disgust.....

Yep thats pretty close..... :wink:

Now THATS too funny! :angel:

 

[Gary]

Is laughing at your own jokes also a side-effect of peyote-induced vomit/trance?

:crazyeyes:

 

[Vic C.]

I don't know, but I put too much lemon in my iced tea. Now I feel sick.

Jesus was not a free thinking Humanist, but Huxley was. He comes from a line of free thinking hunamists.

This thread is not going very well and has run it's course. I say we let it drop.

 

[Gary]

I don't know, but I put too much lemon in my iced tea. Now I feel sick.

Jesus was not a free thinking Humanist, but Huxley was. He comes from a line of free thinking hunamists.

This thread is not going very well and has run it's course. I say we let it drop.

Vic: ...I put too much lemon in my iced tea. Now I feel sick.

Now that is funny!

Soma-Sight: Got AIDS/diabetes? Proof of the medicinal benefits of peyote....

Vic: This thread is not going very well and has run it's course. I say we let it drop.

Gary: Clunk! It fell with the opening premise (or is that promise?)

:wink:

 

[Soma-Sight]

For no other reason i love this guy because he is an AWESOME writer aside from peyote...... He is a real inspiration!


Aldous Leonard Huxley (July 26, 1894 – November 22, 1963) was a British writer who emigrated to the United States. He was a member of the famous Huxley family who produced a number of brilliant scientific minds. Best known for his novels and wide-ranging output of essays, he also published short stories, poetry, travel writing, and film stories and scripts. Through his novels and essays Huxley functioned as an examiner and sometimes critic of social mores, societal norms and ideals, and possible misapplications of science in human life. While his earlier concerns might be called "humanist," ultimately, he became quite interested in "spiritual" subjects like parapsychology and mystically based philosophy, which he also wrote about. By the end of his life, Huxley was considered, in certain learned circles, a 'leader of modern thought'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldous_Huxley

 

[Relic]

2 Timothy 4:3-4

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

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[Soma-Sight]

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables

Contemplatives are not likely to become gamblers, or procurers, or drunkards; they do not as a rule preach intolerance, or make war; do not find it necessary to rob, swindle or grind the faces of the poor.......

Countless persons desire self-transcendence and would be glad to find it in church. But, alas, "the hungry sheep look up and are not fed." They take part in rites, they listen to sermons, they repeat prayers; but their thirst remains unassuaged. Dissapointed, they turn to the bottle. For a time at least and in a way, it works. Church may still be attended; but it is no more than the Musical Bank of Butler's Erewhon.......

We see, then, that Christianity and alcohol do not mix. Christianity and peyote seem to be much more compatible. This has been demonstrated by many tribes of Indians. These Native Americans regard the cactus as God's special gift to the Indians, and equate its effects WITH THE WORKING OF THE DIVINE SPIRIT.

Professor J.S. Slotkin, one of the very few white men ever to have participated in the rites of a Peyotist congregation, says of his fellow worshippers that they are "certaintly not stupifeid or drunk..... They nver get out of rhythm or fumble with words, as a drunken or stupified man would do.... They are all quiet, courteous and respectful of one another.

I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN ANY WHITE MANS HOUSE OF WORSHIP WHERE THERE IS EITHER SO MUCH RELIGIOUS FEELING OR DECORUM.

And what may we ask are these devout and well behaved Peyotists experiencing?

NOT THE MILD SENSE OF VIRTUE WHICH SUSTAINS THE AVERAGE SUNDAY CHURCHGOER THROUGH NINETY MINUTES OR BOREDOM.....!!!!!

Not even those high feelings, inspired by thoughts of the Creator and the Redeemer, the Judge and Comforter, which animate the pious.

FOR THE NATIVE AMERICANS, RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE IS SOMETHING MORE DIRECT AND ILLUMINATING, MORE SPONTANEOUS, LESS THE HOMEMADE PRODUCT OF THE SUPERFICIAL, SELF CONCIOUS MIND.

Sometimes they see visions, WHICH MAY BE OF CHRIST HIMSELF.

SOMETIMES THEY HEAR THE VOICE OF THE GREAT SPIRIT!


A TREE WITH SUCH SATISFACTORY FRUITS CANNOT BE CONDEMNED OUT OF HAND AS EVIL.......

-Aldous Huxley-

 

[bibleberean]

First the promotion of drug use and now the promotion of other religions other than Christianity. :-?

I mean when was the last time anyone ever heard of a gambling Casino on an Indian Reservation?

The Navajo Indians from Arizona I was in the Army with in Fort Ord California sold peyote to us and used the money to buy alcohol. :

There certainly isn't a gambling or drinking problem problem in Amercan Indian culture. ;-)

They all just take peyote and think about Jesus. :roll: