Growth Great Spiritual Awakening at the White House

[th1b.taylor]

to me, this smacks of self-serving, deliberately planted "news" (propaganda, just as ezrider pointed out). I do not see how anyone can reconcile Ayn Rand-inspired social darwinism with The Good News, especially someone who is in a position of enormous power.

At best, the sort of faith that supports the status quo without asking questions, without reflecting upon the world around us...is an empty faith, one that proclaims a form of godliness, but lacks the power thereof. In all likelihood, that's the best possible outcome for such a belief system. Trump's brand of Christianity is yet another tool of the elites, a form of religion Marx would rightly call the opiate of the masses.

Okay, please enlighten me as to what you have published here and how from the evidence you have gathered.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I don't live in the USA but Donald Trump gets in our news most days. My take on the video is that it is Trump's cabinet sans Trump which is having the Bible study. I follow what ezrider is saying about evidence. The video gives none about Trump attending. In my view, the fact that the others are getting into it when it hasn't been done like that in 100 years or so is reason for rejoicing. But Trump is only one man in the team, even if the leader.

In the video, Jeff Sessions was mentioned. He has been in our news too. He was Trump's best supporter but Trump has been hammering him badly. However, I said to my wife just yesterday that Jeff Sessions has risen up in my opinion because despite being hammered he seems to be just standing strong for his country and seeking to do what is right. He has not had a dummy spit like that Scaramucci guy did with his foul mouth. Now I have heard Jeff Sessions is a Christian and doing Bible study with other cabinet members I can understand what has impressed me about him and I am even more impressed. That is totally awesome!

Watching Thomas

You do not need to an American be right about American Politics. When in my early twenties I served in Hanau Germany and every time we ran into the Brits they would tell us the common Euro opinion of America. It says that we will sell the bomb to the nation that blows America off the map.


As a young adult, full of beer, piss and vinegar, I laughed at them and would buy a new Boot of Beer to pass around. Today at 72 I know they are right.

 

[ezrider]

I don't live in the USA but Donald Trump gets in our news most days.

What part of the world do you live in? How is he perceived in your country? Or maybe rather how is he portrayed?

 

[ezrider]

I am so grateful to have somebody, anybody other than Barack Obama, that is turning our nation back from Muslim, Homosexual adoring, left wing, liberal Democratic, immoral bondage, to a path of being a Government that will acknowledge to the world and it's own people that America is a Christian Nation.

So now we know the true intent of the OP. It had political motivations all along.

Donald Trump is probably a baby Christian, but through our prayers, and Godly confession of faith over him, and Mike Pence and all our leaders, God will renew his mind and transform him, just like He does the rest of us.

He has a ways to go, and being Presbyterian, probably hasn't been exposed to solid biblical truths, but God can and will use Donald Trump to bless America and turn this nation from darkness to light, as well as set the stage for the next person as President.

King Saul of Israel had spiritual advisers too. King Saul turned the nation from darkness to light as he set the stage for the next King as well, by falling on his own sword in the field of battle. Driven by madness, consumed with his own pride.

Thank God for Donald Trump and Mike Pence, they are much better than we deserve as a nation.

The people demanded a King to rule over them, so God gave unto them a King to rule over them. But do you remember what the Lord warned them beforehand would happen if they were ruled by a King?

 

[ezrider]

Here is what Obama said about Christian values, and the Bible.

Mocks the Bible and what Jesus taught.

Talks about call CPS on Abraham.

I watched the video. I listened to Obama's words. I didn't hear him mock the Bible. I did not hear him mock what Jesus taught. But I guess people hear what they want to hear.

Yes, he talks about calling child protective services on Abraham.

Honestly, if you were walking down main street in any town you want to pick, and there you came across some crazy man who had tied his son, or any other kid for that matter to a park bench and was getting ready top stab him: would you call the police? If the guy told you that God commanded him to sacrifice the child, would you let him? Would you believe him?

 

[Watching Thomas]

What part of the world do you live in? How is he perceived in your country? Or maybe rather how is he portrayed?

Australia. I am not qualified to say how Donald Trump is perceived in my country as a whole, but I can say how me and close family see him. Our main news source is the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Service) which avoids sensationalism and is secular. Donald Trump is portrayed as as tough business man who seems to be struggling with the role of president. A man who seems distracted with attacking those around him and saying some truly surprising things in his tweets. He has certainly shaken up USA politics and left the world wondering what he is going to do next. However, how I see Donald does not change the fact that I am very pleased to hear about his cabinet getting into the Bible Studies.

I understand this thread is not meant to be a big political discussion and I do not what to be taking it off course. I do want to point out that our news also portrays the USA to be strongly divided between those who love Donald and those who are not so keen. There seems to be growing divisiveness about it. It is this last bit which concerns me the most as it may mean Christian brothers and sisters getting heated and maybe even angry in discussions with each other about something that I think should not cause conflict between Christians. I think it important to keep our hearts calm and our spirits soft to God and to be careful of getting fired up about political stuff. Easy for me to say being over the ocean in a country far away. : )

Watching Thomas

 

[Watching Thomas]

you guys are still hateful, and hating Donald Trump like I see so many of the liberal Democrat's, spewing hatred of all things godly and Donald Trump and Mike Pence, then maybe you should take some time on your face before God to examine your heart, as to why.

Hi JLB, greetings in Jesus precious name. In your post above, you include a quote from a post I did then you quote Titus pointing out folk need to speak no evil and be peaceable etc plus you say "you guys are still hateful". Given the fact you have me in your list, it is very clear that you are saying I am hateful and hating Donald Trump and I need to follow Titus 3 and examine my heart before God. Can you please clearly explain how you came to think I hate Donald Trump from what I said?

In the post you quote, I made the observation that the video stated Donald does not go to the Bible Studies. This is a simple fact of the video and nothing about what I think of Donald. I said that the video news of the cabinet doing Bible Study was worthy of rejoicing. Again I give no opinion of Donald but I do give my opinion of what Donald's cabinet is doing. I say it is worth rejoicing about. JLB, I am at a loss to understand what evidence you have of my hating Donald so can you please explain your thinking?

Watching Thomas

 

[JLB]

So now we know the true intent of the OP. It had political motivations all along.



King Saul of Israel had spiritual advisers too. King Saul turned the nation from darkness to light as he set the stage for the next King as well, by falling on his own sword in the field of battle. Driven by madness, consumed with his own pride.



The people demanded a King to rule over them, so God gave unto them a King to rule over them. But do you remember what the Lord warned them beforehand would happen if they were ruled by a King?

Thank God for President Trump and VP Mike Pence.

I am also thankful President Trump is not a king, but was elected by the American people.


Thank you Lord, for your grace.

Amen.


JLB

 

[JLB]

Hi JLB, greetings in Jesus precious name. In your post above, you include a quote from a post I did then you quote Titus pointing out folk need to speak no evil and be peaceable etc plus you say "you guys are still hateful". Given the fact you have me in your list, it is very clear that you are saying I am hateful and hating Donald Trump and I need to follow Titus 3 and examine my heart before God. Can you please clearly explain how you came to think I hate Donald Trump from what I said?

In the post you quote, I made the observation that the video stated Donald does not go to the Bible Studies. This is a simple fact of the video and nothing about what I think of Donald. I said that the video news of the cabinet doing Bible Study was worthy of rejoicing. Again I give no opinion of Donald but I do give my opinion of what Donald's cabinet is doing. I say it is worth rejoicing about. JLB, I am at a loss to understand what evidence you have of my hating Donald so can you please explain your thinking?

Watching Thomas

I quoted you three because you seem to all have something against Mr Trump.

If you don't then then scripture and comment does not apply to you.

God bless you as you pray for our country and its leaders.


JLB

 

[JLB]

I watched the video. I listened to Obama's words. I didn't hear him mock the Bible. I did not hear him mock what Jesus taught. But I guess people hear what they want to hear.

Yes, he talks about calling child protective services on Abraham.

Honestly, if you were walking down main street in any town you want to pick, and there you came across some crazy man who had tied his son, or any other kid for that matter to a park bench and was getting ready top stab him: would you call the police? If the guy told you that God commanded him to sacrifice the child, would you let him? Would you believe him?

Pointing the things in different books of the Bible and mockingly referring to them as if the whole bible is irrelevant today and can not be applied to life in our society is mocking God's word and God who inspired the Bible.

He said America was no longer a Christian Nation.

Hopefully you can understand an anti- Christ statement when you hear it.



JLB

 

[Watching Thomas]

I quoted you three because you seem to all have something against Mr Trump.

If you don't then then scripture and comment does not apply to you.

God bless you as you pray for our country and its leaders.

JLB

That's all right then.

I guess it was just a case of like what I seen on some American movies: shoot first and ask questions later. : )

Watching Thomas

 

[ezrider]

If you guys are still hateful, and hating Donald Trump like I see so many of the liberal Democrat's, spewing hatred of all things godly and Donald Trump and Mike Pence, then maybe you should take some time on your face before God to examine your heart, as to why.

I quoted you three because you seem to all have something against Mr Trump.

Maybe your confusing hate, maybe you are projecting. I have my reservations about him as a leader. He comes across as a snake oil salesmen to me, sorry, that's just the way it is. I see him as a liar and someone who is untrustworthy. I see him as someone who is self serving before all else. But that does not mean I am being hateful, just observant. But I also saw that the majority of Evangelicals cast aside the moral principles they esteemed for their leaders, and have turned a blind eye in full support. Don't tell us the news, it's all lies. With all the lies and accusations and fake news, a spiritually minded person might wonder if the spirit of the father of lies is on the loose?

But Trump as President? He is God's choice, of that I have no doubt. For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His will, and to agree, and to give their kingdom unto the beast....

I have read your posts JLB, they are there for anyone to read. Now it seems to me that you have been quite hateful to our former President Obama. Wouldn't you consider that to be a little hypocritical? Accusing us of hate towards Trump, when your hatred of Obama is on full display? I think that is the definition of hypocrisy anyway.

Now back to the high praise for the so called spiritual awakening in the white house, and this high praise for holding cabinet Bible studies. What do they have to show for it?

Can I let you in on a little secret? Do you know where the beast and the false prophet derive their authority? It's a book called the Bible, which holds the knowledge of good and evil. Should we be surprised if the beast or the false prophet wanted to hold a Bible study? If the beast or the false prophet were to hold a Bible study, would you sing high praises to the Lord?

 

[Watching Thomas]

Can I let you in on a little secret? Do you know where the beast and the false prophet derive their authority? It's a book called the Bible, which holds the knowledge of good and evil. Should we be surprised if the beast or the false prophet wanted to hold a Bible study? If the beast or the false prophet were to hold a Bible study, would you sing high praises to the Lord?

Ezrider, since I said I give praise to God for the Cabinet holding a Bible Study, I'l give my opinion on your question about the beast holding a Bible study. You ask challenging and uncomfortable questions and personally I appreciate them. I could be wrong but the way you are expressing yourself and throwing those questions in I think you are wanting me to shake off any lethargy that might be dulling my brain (and spirit) and really think about these issues.

If the beast held a Bible Study, would I praise the Lord? Hmm. If I knew it was the beast/false prophet etc, no I would not praise the Lord. However it is unlikely I would know if members of the Cabinet were the beast etc, in fact I assume them to be Christian. I give praise on the hope that those doing the study are exercising some faith in the Lord with the expectation they will be built up in the Lord. I have read how in some closed countries, people beating up Christians and burning Bibles have eventually been saved because they happened to read a bit of the Bible as they were doing the burning and God spoke to them. So I consider God well able to reach people who study His word.

You ask the question: "What do they have to show for it?" Oddly enough, that is the sort of question I often ask (and often get people mad at me for asking). I am not sure if the media is reliable enough to communicate to the general public if those in the Bible Study are actually growing in God. So how can the average person know? Having said that, I still think it wise to be looking to see what fruit those going to the Bible Study are producing.

The beast may seek to influence Christians by being involved in Bible Studies and getting it on the news. However, I am not going to stop going to Bible Studies myself or knocking other people having Bible Studies simply because the Beast might be in one of them. I give thanks to God every time I hear of people doing Bible Studies. But, ezrider, I promise you, I will not give thanks if the beast does one and I know it is the beast.

Watching Thomas

 

[JLB]

I have read your posts JLB, they are there for anyone to read. Now it seems to me that you have been quite hateful to our former President Obama. Wouldn't you consider that to be a little hypocritical?

Yes that would be hypocritical.

I have prayed for Obama and had great hopes that being unlike the previous insiders like Clinton and Bush, that God could change His heart, from mocking the Bible and Christians and championing homosexual laws, and acting against Israel, and pushing his Muslim agenda...

I have seen great changes in our nation's direction since Trump/Pence took office and I have seen how the devil has manifested his hatred of Trump and Pence through the lives of immoral, ungodly people, who cling to the liberal left wing agenda.

I am soooooooooooo grateful that Hillary Clinton did not get elected as President.


Would you rather have had Hillary Clinton as President?



JLB

 

[JLB]

Now back to the high praise for the so called spiritual awakening in the white house, and this high praise for holding cabinet Bible studies.

Okay.


Glory to God, thank you Jesus that there are Bible studies going on in the White House.


Thank you Lord, I praise your glorious Name for President Trump and VP Mike Pence, and the Cabinet that is around Him.


Hallelujah!!!!

JLB

 

[ezrider]

You ask the question: "What do they have to show for it?" Oddly enough, that is the sort of question I often ask (and often get people mad at me for asking). I am not sure if the media is reliable enough to communicate to the general public if those in the Bible Study are actually growing in God. So how can the average person know? Having said that, I still think it wise to be looking to see what fruit those going to the Bible Study are producing.

Well, as I suggested earlier. Maybe the should do a Bible study on the application of "Sanctuary Cities." If Jeff Sessions were to leave that study and apply it, I'm sure the media would pick up on it. Again, if they did a study on the "Stranger" among us and they applied what they so eagerly learn, then I am positive you would see a change in policy towards the illegals and dreamers.

 

[DavidC]

Well, as I suggested earlier. Maybe the should do a Bible study on the application of "Sanctuary Cities." If Jeff Sessions were to leave that study and apply it, I'm sure the media would pick up on it. Again, if they did a study on the "Stranger" among us and they applied what they so eagerly learn, then I am positive you would see a change in policy towards the illegals and dreamers.

I live in a sanctuary city, it is bad and people parrot what cnn tells them, but most have no clue. It's a shame.

Bible studies on discipling might serve better or even what it means to obey and follow laws.

 

[ezrider]

I have prayed for Obama and had great hopes that being unlike the previous insiders like Clinton and Bush, that God could change His heart, from mocking the Bible and Christians and championing homosexual laws, and acting against Israel, and pushing his Muslim agenda...

What business is it of yours that you should pray for God to change his heart? Maybe his heart was perfectly suited for God's purpose in him. You seemed to take some offense to Obama's comment that we are no longer a Christian nation; As he continued to say, we are not just a Christian nation, but we are a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a nation of people who hold no faith at all. What is so wrong with that? Why do you take such offense. Is it not a true statement? There are many different faiths of people who are part of this country, a country that Obama happened to be the President of. A President of ALL the people. Again, why are you offended at that?

Is not Christ Lord of both the living and the dead? Is He not Lord over both the just and the unjust alike?

Matthew 5:45-46
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

You seem to be showering Trump with endless praise, although you have yet to express why, other than he his not Obama. Have you ever stopped once to consider why Obama was God's choice as our last President? Has your heart been provoked to jealousy? Do the ideas of a foolish nation anger you? In the age of spiritual warfare, one should take caution; Trump is keen at exploiting that jealousy.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Well, as I suggested earlier. Maybe the should do a Bible study on the application of "Sanctuary Cities." If Jeff Sessions were to leave that study and apply it, I'm sure the media would pick up on it. Again, if they did a study on the "Stranger" among us and they applied what they so eagerly learn, then I am positive you would see a change in policy towards the illegals and dreamers.

You are misapplying the biblical concept of sanctuary city EZ, but you know that.....
Cities of refuge were places where someone who had committed involuntary manslaughter could flee and find safety until the day of his trial. "So that anyone who kills a person without intent and unknowingly may flee there. They shall be your refuge from the avenger of blood" (Josh 20:3), the oldest male relative of the deceased. who otherwise might carry out vigilante justice on the part of the family.
https://www.charismanews.com/politi...re-nothing-like-the-biblical-cities-of-refuge
The biblical concept of 'stranger' is not equivalent to the modern day 'illegal alien' so please don't attempt to pass it off as such. All we ask of people that come here is to obey our laws which, BTW, is exactly what scripture teaches.
11. Submission to Civil Authorities (1 Peter 2:13-17)
13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, 14 or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right.

15 For such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance of foolish men.

16 [Act] as free men, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but [use it] as bondslaves of God. 17 Honor all men; love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the king.
https://bible.org/seriespage/11-submission-civil-authorities-1-peter-213-17

 

[JLB]

You seemed to take some offense to Obama's comment that we are no longer a Christian nation; As he continued to say, we are not just a Christian nation, but we are a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a nation of people who hold no faith at all. What is so wrong with that?

I guess you understand, that there are two choices in life as to who you serve.

Jesus or Satan.

If you do not serve Jesus, then you serve Satan.

Here is what people who know this basic truth, understand from Obama's statement:

We are not just a Christian nation, but a Satanic nation.

That's what's wrong with that.

The call of the Gospel is repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand.

Repent means to turn to God.

If a person needs to turn to God, then by default they need to turn away from serving Satan.



JLB