Has Christianity always been controversial, even among Christians?

[Eugene]

Just my thoughts here, but organized religion have separated rather than united the one body of Christ.

1 Cor 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? Are we AOG, Baptist, Catholic, etc?

We are at different levels of experience of growth as members of the one church, but we are not to despise them that are weak in their walks with Christ.

Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

 

[for_his_glory]

With all the signs and prophecies coming to past. Who's real and who's not? Has anyone seen the testimonies of this so-called prophet of Facebook-- "Prophet Levar Samuel". He has this fan page full of testimonies. Do you guys think those people made up these things? I'm searching for truth and I would like to know if any of you believe in actual prophecy anymore.

Hi Shanell and welcome to CF.

Never heard of him, but there is much prophecy that was given in the OT that has yet to be fulfilled concerning those things which have to come to pass before Christ returns. As long as we are in Christ and He in us we need not fear that which will come to pass. Prophecy is a deep study for understanding those things yet to come and can be confusing as you read all the various end time scenarios that have been written on this subject. Just learn to discern those things you hear and if it doesn't line up with scripture then it is false teaching as many false teachers are out there to deceive us.

If you are interested I have a teaching on the second coming of Christ on my website. Just click the link at the bottom of my post.

 

[for_his_glory]

Just my thoughts here, but organized religion have separated rather than united the one body of Christ.

1 Cor 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? Are we AOG, Baptist, Catholic, etc?

We are at different levels of experience of growth as members of the one church, but we are not to despise them that are weak in their walks with Christ.

Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

There is so much deception in religion and causes much confusion to those who are yet weak in their walk. This is why I had to clear my mind of all those various teachings I sat under all those years to be able to search out that in scripture what is truth and what is error as the Holy Spirit will teach you all things.

 

[sourberry]

Make sure what a church system, pastor, and so on tells you aligns with Scripture. For example, one church will tell you that rapture is true, while another will say it’s not. What does the Word say?

Also, keep in mind that your bible is either a translation from the manuscripts or a translation from a translation. Therefore, you often need to take it back to the original language. For example, “fear” can be either translated “fear” or “revere”. If you love and obey God, you have nothing to fear from Him.

Which verse below makes more sense to you:

Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 1:7 The reverence of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Thank you HalleluYAH,

I still do not understand how the above suggestions can avoid denominationalism. Is not that they can easily lead to the one?

 

[HalleluYAH]

Thank you HalleluYAH,

I still do not understand how the above suggestions can avoid denominationalism. Is not that they can easily lead to the one?

Until after Christ returns at the 7th seal, 7th trumpet, 7th vial, I think you'll always have denominationalism (divisions) among Christians.

 

[Sandy Zalecki]

Of course it has always been controversial. The devil has always been trying to destroy it.

 

[sourberry]

Until after Christ returns at the 7th seal, 7th trumpet, 7th vial, I think you'll always have denominationalism (divisions) among Christians.

I also think that denominationalism will be present. Similarly to murders or robberies that are present.

So, do you think there is a way to neutralise the effect of denominationalism, at least to some extent? And secondly, do you think there is a way to fight denominationalism?

 

[HalleluYAH]

I also think that denominationalism will be present. Similarly to murders or robberies that are present.

So, do you think there is a way to neutralise the effect of denominationalism, at least to some extent? And secondly, do you think there is a way to fight denominationalism?

The truth shell set you free. The Word is the truth. Until a person becomes familiar with all of God's Word, they are not really free. The Word sets your mind and conscience free from the slavery of every part of this world today. Spiritual decrement puts you into a position whereby you are wiser then those who would suppress you with their traditions of men. You will know why you have the freedom to do what you do, and when others come at you and place their guilt trip on you, you will not be entrapped by their accusations.

There will be no "murders or robberies" or anything else that offends in heaven.

 

[Danus]

I think the biggest controversy within Christianity often lies in heart of each individual. I believe any argument one might make to others in regard to God, Christ or theology, is more about setting the issues within ones own self. I have found this to be true of myself as well as others. However, if the controversy is settled in ones own heart then there is no argument, and rather than feeling offended by another's disbelief, or theological belief, or understanding; when the controversy is settled within our own heart, we can look upon others in the way I think Christ would have us, with compassion and grace and understanding.

 

[sourberry]

I think the biggest controversy within Christianity often lies in heart of each individual. I believe any argument one might make to others in regard to God, Christ or theology, is more about setting the issues within ones own self.

I think so too, Danus.

Once one begins to see that he is part of the controversy, and that controversy is not around him, but inside him - this is the first step. The next step is to repent, I think.

With love.

 

[HalleluYAH]

Christianity has always been, and will always be, controversial until Christ returns. After all:

They nailed Christ to the cross, beheaded John, fed Christians to the lions, and so on. Even today Christianity is attacked around the world. A good example is the Christians being massacred in many Islamic countries.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

If so, why? After all, there is only one God, one Word, and one Holy Spirit.

yes
because
"one God" is not accepted by most people, and recognized by even fewer, and obeyed by even less.
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"one Word" is not accepted by most people, and recognized by even fewer, and obeyed by even less.
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"one holy Spirit"(holy is an adjective, not a name) is not accepted by most people, and recognized by even fewer.
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even in Scripture, the dissensions had already begun, and in some areas might say proliferated already.
by 312 a.d. the enemy gained governmental control and established a state church, and it was a death penalty to stand up for the truth in church.(they even pursued believers in many places and had them put to death ad lib).
until martin luther, only the underground, un-official un-recognized groups of believers scattered throughout the earth continued in the one true faith following Jesus according to the Bible instead of according to mans or demonic doctrines and practices. oh, there were a few groups with a name, like especially 'anabaptist' who pursued and lived the life of faith according to God's directions, but they were all actively or passively attacked by the world church and the world's governments(most, not all, by sheer grace!) and powers.
since martin luther, God has used many avenues as He pleased to bring revelation of His Truth back to people, whosoever will seek Him and totally give their lives to Him. (without a willingness to obey, trusting God completely, even unto death, there is no body, no ekklesia, no righteousness to live by). step by step, God has brought His Light to the nations (peoples) , and we can rejoice in Him in Christ Jesus today and forever, amen!.

 

[Eugene]

"one God" is not accepted by most people, and recognized by even fewer, and obeyed by even less.
..
"one Word" is not accepted by most people, and recognized by even fewer, and obeyed by even less.
..
"one holy Spirit"(holy is an adjective, not a name) is not accepted by most people, and recognized by even fewer.

since martin luther, God has used many avenues as He pleased to bring revelation of His Truth back to people, whosoever will seek Him and totally give their lives to Him. (without a willingness to obey, trusting God completely, even unto death, there is no body, no ekklesia, no righteousness to live by). step by step, God has brought His Light to the nations (peoples) , and we can rejoice in Him in Christ Jesus today and forever, amen!.

Will you please expound your thoughts using scripture?

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Will you please expound your thoughts using scripture?

yes, Yhwh willing. I just got home a few minutes ago after a long long day (thankfully! ) .... working... so it will take a little time. I'll try some tonight if I stay awake, and if you have a specific that will help me focus right now.... thank you. SHALOM in Yeshua the Messiah. HE IS ALIVE

 

[Eugene]

Each statement you make is better understood if you give scripture giving the understanding you have of individual doctrines.

There is a multitude of thought in the church concerning "One God." Is Jesus God? Is the Holy Spirit God since you make the statement the "Holy Spirit" is an adjective if I'm understanding you correctly.

Obedience to God completely? Please list your definition of this; I hear many different thoughts as concerning the will of God. Do you attend any particular church assembly, or do you just read the bible? Thanks.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

sigh, ... well, if I post scripture for reasons then I get back a lot of arguments trying to say it's not true, often using scripture that they think contradicts the scripture I posted. this happens /happened so frequently that I relaxed and enjoyed conversing about the things of Yhwh and Yeshua instead of analyzing them. other people seem very much to like it better too, with no bad effects, and much better hope to continue with them later conversing more about the things of Yhwh with interest and searching out the Scripture instead of with argument and conflict.....
for instance, I said 'holy' is an adjective (it means 'set apart') , not the "Holy Spirit" is an adjective - there's a huge difference.
(apparently most Jews raised and trained in the Hebrew language all know this, and gentiles who study Hebrew seeking Yhwh)..
So, I rely on those who know Hebrew to say that,
as they know Hebrew and I don't. (yet - hope to some day, Yhwh willing)
(and even better and most often those who know Yeshua HaMashiach as well as know Hebrew too - much much better than just a double blessing ! ) .....

 

[Eugene]

To make it clearer what I'm asking, is the Holy Ghost God to you?
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

If you don't care to answer my questions, that is fine and thanks anyway.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

good ! may we say holy spirit instead of ghost ? if so, then yes, Abba Elohim(God the Mighty Creator) is holy spirit. (i don't think he is a ghost at all)
whew!
that was a lot easier than the 14 pages of dialogue it would have taken to answer the original request !
shalom to all who love God and seek Him!

 

[for_his_glory]

His_nee, scripture helps us learn as we take those scriptures of what others say to make sure of what one says lines up with the word of God. This is why we ask for scripture when one tries to make a point. Never worry about any persecution from others for any scripture you post, but always be ready in and out of season to make proof of what you are saying. If one can not back themselves up with scripture then it only becomes speculation or just ones own opinion.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2Ti 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Would you know what's needed for avoiding denominationalism?

yes