Hawai'i is Different

[jasonc]

I'm not sure if you mean Disneyland or Disneyworld,.. but as much as I loved going to Walt Disneyworld, I just can't afford it anymore. It seems like not many other people can either which is probably why they have been raising the prices year after year it seems. Pretty soon though nobody will be able to afford it anymore and then unfortunately it will probably wind up shutting down.

Orlando florida and yes its unaffordable.I as a kid got in with 6 at 75.00 dollars

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Orlando florida and yes its unaffordable.I as a kid got in with 6 at 75.00 dollars

It's pretty much the same nowadays,.. just with a lot more zeros at the end of it.

 

[jasonc]

It's pretty much the same nowadays,.. just with a lot more zeros at the end of it.

I,have been there before epcot,when it debuted,and last in,91.it didn't have much in 85,and still,adding those country zones. 85 it was the sphere ,that was it

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

I,have been there before epcot,when it debuted,and last in,91.it didn't have much in 85,and still,adding those country zones. 85 it was the sphere ,that was it

Wow I think Epcot has existed ever since I've existed on the planet and I was only a year old when you were last there. So yeah as I really don't want to get too off topic,.. even though I don't really know the exact number, it's probably actually cheaper to go to Hawaii than it is to go to Disney.

 

[jasonc]

Wow I think Epcot has existed ever since I've existed on the planet and I was only a year old when you were last there. So yeah as I really don't want to get too off topic,.. even though I don't really know the exact number, it's probably actually cheaper to go to Hawaii than it is to go to Disney.

No,its not for me.

Im 46 .I,remember many,places Disney killed .one locally .a few I,wanted to,go but closed

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

No,its not for me.

Im 46 .I,remember many,places Disney killed .one locally .a few I,wanted to,go but closed

That's true because you live in Florida so there isn't all that extra added travel expense for one, and for two I think that you've stated on here before that it's just less expensive in general. Plus you probably don't need to stay in a hotel, that is depending how close you live to Disney. I think Disneyworld for you is basically what Cedar Point is to people that are from Ohio.

 

[jasonc]

I,remember these

McKee jungle garden ,cypress garden ,bok,tower .Miami sea aquarium,Miami,serpentarium,crittenden zoo later to become Miami,metro zoo,gatorland zoo.wet and wild .

Of these only the bok tower ,metro zoo,gatorland remain.McKee is now a botanic garden that deserves a thread ,

 

[jasonc]

Busch gardens,one more out of Dania florida.rapids world ?it was fun ,it was visible from 95.

 

[jasonc]

Dreher park zoo,been there a few times .last time was about a decade ago .

 

[Luminous_Rose]

How did you know that the Hawaiians didn't appreciate Lilo and Stitch? Is your husband Hawaiian if you don't mind me asking? Have aliens been attacking them or something? I know that the Disney company was extremely careful to stay true to the Hawaiian culture like surfing and hula dancing. Moana had excellent music but for the storyline itself it didn't really impress me all that much. :neutral

Yes, he is first generation off of the island and is native Hawai'ian. He is of the royal blood line, but probably would never have seen the throne (too far down the line) and Hawai'i isn't a monarchy anymore.

Usually with these movies it is the stereotypes that bother them. Lilo and Stitch wasn't as bad as other films. My husband hates the voodoo reference that Lilo makes as he hasn't understood that as part of his culture. How the lifeguard looks sexualized like a Baywatch babe. Nani's use of belly button shirts and a bikini as that is western/tourist influence and the bikini isn't smart swim wear - more likely to get cuts from rocks and coral reefs or get sunburned. The Elvis fandom. Although, he liked that they used some pidgin, the song Aloha Oe (Farewell to Thee)” by Queen Lili'uokalani was added, and that in Lilo's pictures the idea of obese is beautiful was incorporated, and the fact that Lilo wrote "Kapu" (forbidden) on her door.

Moana he didn't like as it was a bit confusing with the lore adding Hawai'ian, Tahitian, and others mixed together. I agree on this point as it felt muddled. Maui was not some big Samoan looking dude, but in lore was a thinner, younger man. The fact a woman tribal leader was not traditional to the culture. The little boy's disrespect to hula by adding in his own moves. He thought the shark god jokes were great and the fact that everyone wanted to eat Hei hei, he said that was "So Hawai'ian" lol. He has an interesting story of a family gathering in Hawai'i where they ate one of the animals the family had...I think it was a goose or something that one of the kids adored for dinner. He thought the reincarnation lore added was interesting. Although, not accurate or Christian, some Hawai'ian's believed you needed to tattoo on your body your reincarnation animal so that you can come back as that animal. If it wasn't tattooed, you wouldn't come back. Explains grandma in Moana.

Hula is good in general, but it became sexualized. It was originally a story to tell about the islands and their gods not to dress down and shake their hips for sexual attention, so as long as it is represented correctly, he doesn't mind.

This isn't Disney's first round of cultural insensitivity, though. I mean, the story of Pocahontas was all wrong.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Yes, he is first generation off of the island and is native Hawai'ian. He is of the royal blood line, but probably would never have seen the throne (too far down the line) and Hawai'i isn't a monarchy anymore.

Usually with these movies it is the stereotypes that bother them. Lilo and Stitch wasn't as bad as other films. My husband hates the voodoo reference that Lilo makes as he hasn't understood that as part of his culture. How the lifeguard looks sexualized like a Baywatch babe. Nani's use of belly button shirts and a bikini as that is western/tourist influence and the bikini isn't smart swim wear - more likely to get cuts from rocks and coral reefs or get sunburned. The Elvis fandom. Although, he liked that they used some pidgin, the song Aloha Oe (Farewell to Thee)” by Queen Lili'uokalani was added, and that in Lilo's pictures the idea of obese is beautiful was incorporated, and the fact that Lilo wrote "Kapu" (forbidden) on her door.

Moana he didn't like as it was a bit confusing with the lore adding Hawai'ian, Tahitian, and others mixed together. I agree on this point as it felt muddled. Maui was not some big Samoan looking dude, but in lore was a thinner, younger man. The fact a woman tribal leader was not traditional to the culture. The little boy's disrespect to hula by adding in his own moves. He thought the shark god jokes were great and the fact that everyone wanted to eat Hei hei, he said that was "So Hawai'ian" lol. He has an interesting story of a family gathering in Hawai'i where they ate one of the animals the family had...I think it was a goose or something that one of the kids adored for dinner. He thought the reincarnation lore added was interesting. Although, not accurate or Christian, some Hawai'ian's believed you needed to tattoo on your body your reincarnation animal so that you can come back as that animal. If it wasn't tattooed, you wouldn't come back. Explains grandma in Moana.

Hula is good in general, but it became sexualized. It was originally a story to tell about the islands and their gods not to dress down and shake their hips for sexual attention, so as long as it is represented correctly, he doesn't mind.

This isn't Disney's first round of cultural insensitivity, though. I mean, the story of Pocahontas was all wrong.

Alright I remember the voodoo part,.. but you've got me scratching my head on the reincarnation part and the little boy doing hula,.. as the only male I remember dancing the hula in the first film is Stitch.

 

[jasonc]

Yes, he is first generation off of the island and is native Hawai'ian. He is of the royal blood line, but probably would never have seen the throne (too far down the line) and Hawai'i isn't a monarchy anymore.

Usually with these movies it is the stereotypes that bother them. Lilo and Stitch wasn't as bad as other films. My husband hates the voodoo reference that Lilo makes as he hasn't understood that as part of his culture. How the lifeguard looks sexualized like a Baywatch babe. Nani's use of belly button shirts and a bikini as that is western/tourist influence and the bikini isn't smart swim wear - more likely to get cuts from rocks and coral reefs or get sunburned. The Elvis fandom. Although, he liked that they used some pidgin, the song Aloha Oe (Farewell to Thee)” by Queen Lili'uokalani was added, and that in Lilo's pictures the idea of obese is beautiful was incorporated, and the fact that Lilo wrote "Kapu" (forbidden) on her door.

Moana he didn't like as it was a bit confusing with the lore adding Hawai'ian, Tahitian, and others mixed together. I agree on this point as it felt muddled. Maui was not some big Samoan looking dude, but in lore was a thinner, younger man. The fact a woman tribal leader was not traditional to the culture. The little boy's disrespect to hula by adding in his own moves. He thought the shark god jokes were great and the fact that everyone wanted to eat Hei hei, he said that was "So Hawai'ian" lol. He has an interesting story of a family gathering in Hawai'i where they ate one of the animals the family had...I think it was a goose or something that one of the kids adored for dinner. He thought the reincarnation lore added was interesting. Although, not accurate or Christian, some Hawai'ian's believed you needed to tattoo on your body your reincarnation animal so that you can come back as that animal. If it wasn't tattooed, you wouldn't come back. Explains grandma in Moana.

Hula is good in general, but it became sexualized. It was originally a story to tell about the islands and their gods not to dress down and shake their hips for sexual attention, so as long as it is represented correctly, he doesn't mind.

This isn't Disney's first round of cultural insensitivity, though. I mean, the story of Pocahontas was all wrong.

Pocahontas whether she existed at all ,which she didn't,marry john,Smith .it was another woman .


Pocahontas ,lol I,think of the this local place of that name

 

[jasonc]

Every time I hear that name I,think of this or the park nearby .better this name then bayhead

 

[daninthelionsden]

A lot of homelessness on the mainland too, all along the west coast and in cities like New York and Baltimore. They don't chase them from place to place though, they let them live where ever they want on the streets, in tents and whatever else they build their shelter out of. Kind of a disaster and very sad but nothing is being done to address the problem.

Texas just announced a camp will be built for the homeless. I wouldn't trust anything Texas claims it does for the poor, the homeless or the disabled.

 

[Luminous_Rose]

Pocahontas whether she existed at all ,which she didn't,marry john,Smith .it was another woman .


Pocahontas ,lol I,think of the this local place of that name

I am not sure if I have heard of the idea of Pocahontas never existing, but I have read about the real Pocahontas being called
Matoaka and Amonute instead. Supposedly she eventually went by the name Rebecca after she was converted to Christianity.

The story I have been led to believe is that she was a Powhatan Native American that noticed the settlers when she was about 10 or 11 years old and tried to befriend them. She was held captive and agreed to marry John Rolfe to create peace between the English and the Powhatans. Of course she went to England, but when they headed back for America she had been ill and they turned back around and she passed away at about 21. Her husband went to America and her son later on and became a tobacco farmer.

That is what I understand. Anyway, I don't know about John Smith. It is a common name and there are theories she knew more than one John Smith. Some say the real John Smith was one for telling crazy made up stories and some say he misinterpreted what he saw with the Powhatans. Others say he didn't exist at all. It is hard to know about him for certain.

Her story is rather sad. Either way, Disney got it all wrong.

 

[Luminous_Rose]

Alright I remember the voodoo part,.. but you've got me scratching my head on the reincarnation part and the little boy doing hula,.. as the only male I remember dancing the hula in the first film is Stitch.

The voodoo part was Lilo. The little boy doing hula (but really more of a break dance to impress Moana) and reincarnation is Moana (grandma was the sting ray).

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

The voodoo part was Lilo. The little boy doing hula (but really more of a break dance to impress Moana) and reincarnation is Moana (grandma was the sting ray).

Oh okay, that's why I got confused. I only saw that movie one time.

 

[jasonc]

I am not sure if I have heard of the idea of Pocahontas never existing, but I have read about the real Pocahontas being called
Matoaka and Amonute instead. Supposedly she eventually went by the name Rebecca after she was converted to Christianity.

The story I have been led to believe is that she was a Powhatan Native American that noticed the settlers when she was about 10 or 11 years old and tried to befriend them. She was held captive and agreed to marry John Rolfe to create peace between the English and the Powhatans. Of course she went to England, but when they headed back for America she had been ill and they turned back around and she passed away at about 21. Her husband went to America and her son later on and became a tobacco farmer.

That is what I understand. Anyway, I don't know about John Smith. It is a common name and there are theories she knew more than one John Smith. Some say the real John Smith was one for telling crazy made up stories and some say he misinterpreted what he saw with the Powhatans. Others say he didn't exist at all. It is hard to know about him for certain.

Her story is rather sad. Either way, Disney got it all wrong.

The True Story of Pocahontas Is More Complicated Than You Might Think

Historian Camilla Townsend separates fact from fiction in the life of the Powhatan "princess"

www.smithsonianmag.com

As what Disney says no,and the common,myth .

The name a nickname if that

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Oh yeah I forgot to mention the Pocahontas thing. Even though I prefer the original,.. the sequel is more historically correct.

 

[Luminous_Rose]

Oh okay, that's why I got confused. I only saw that movie one time.

No worries. Didn't mean to confuse ya!