Hell as eternal = Forever and ever,,,and ever,,and,,,

[Alfred Persson]

Hell is not eternal, the Lake of Fire is.



The Roman Institution started all this antichrist idea that the afterlife is
Forever and ever,,,
and
EVERRR
Thats antichrist,
The greek has no such word as FOREVER.

You cited the text proving it can mean forever:

"And these will go away into everlasting (166 αἰώνιος aionios) punishment, but the righteous into eternal (166 αἰώνιος aionios) life." (Matt. 25:46 NKJ)

166 αἰώνιος aionios {ahee-o'-nee-os}

Meaning: 1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be 2) without beginning 3) without end, never to cease, everlasting

Although aionios can refer to an "age", in this context the contrast proves it means "everlasting", because Christ said those who believe in Him will NEVER die:

"And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?" (Jn. 11:26 NKJ)

 

[YeshuaGlory]

When Yeshua puts down all God's enemies
Does this mean even the worst genocidists find some sort of redemption,, so that nothing zero nada no place in things seen, and unseen, no where is there death/evil/suffering etc etc etc.
I've seen hell when recovering from my hear fatal hernia operation. SEem the antichrist beast image being worshiped during this ND experience.
Both images were UNREALLLLL
Saw how Eddie Price that guy in Atlanta ended up and where my father went off to.
HORRIFIC, Not lakes of fies, Just unreal places of lonlyness , misty darkness. Actually got to see where these 2 souls ended up. Both received EXACTLY the place where they deserved.

 

[Alfred Persson]

EXCELLENTTTTT Post.
WOW
Now you see your post is what makes this forum the best ever in the world.
Real scholars here
YOu just help[ed me ina BIGGG way.
I';ve been pondering this Q for yrs now.
and I know its way out in left field.
But your post seems to help me answer the Q,,
where does the most egregious, the worst of the worst tyrants in history,, nothing at all redeemable. WE can all make up this list long throughout history.
I tell my wife, Its possible these unredeemable souls might go to a

Black Hole
Now what happens to that black hole when ever the physical universe goes away..??
Have no idea.
But its possible these eternally( bible calls this Aeons of the Aeons, = Eternal no end) polluted souls
Yet will the blkack hole be forever. Scientists will tell you the physical universe can not exist forever. Im guess there, dont quote me.
THus Forever on unredeemable souls = never to see any redemption
Now this idea conflicts w several verses in paul
The RECONCILIATION Of The All Things
and
God locks all in sin so He may have mercy on all = Universal Redemption theory.
How can Putler be redeemed??
My birth father ever be redeemed
as his wish is that if he could, to kill God, take God';s place and live forever w/o God in his world. He really lovedddddd this world.
How can he be given redemption???
Other than that he acted as a emessiary for God in order to punish us for our(my Family) rebellious sinful ways..
See what I mean., God used him as tool
Did God give him zillions of opportunitiews to change, Yes, Disregarded them all.
Now can he find redemption IF you adhere to Paul's Universal Redemption theory
Here let me find that verse, where Yeshua completes His High Priest Goes back into the father and renders the Kingdom to God
so that
God may be All In All.

https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/15-28.htm

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[YeshuaGlory]

You cited the text proving it can mean forever:

"And these will go away into everlasting (166 αἰώνιος aionios) punishment, but the righteous into eternal (166 αἰώνιος aionios) life." (Matt. 25:46 NKJ)

166 αἰώνιος aionios {ahee-o'-nee-os}

Meaning: 1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be 2) without beginning 3) without end, never to cease, everlasting

Although aionios can refer to an "age", in this context the contrast proves it means "everlasting", because Christ said those who believe in Him will NEVER die:

"And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?" (Jn. 11:26 NKJ)

No no no
You have not understood the greek, Go back to Strongs its all there.
Strongs states the word does not imply endless
Even Strongs has a error in its def
I think once you go to Strongs you will understand the meaning
You are almost there,,, just alittle more research

 

[Alfred Persson]

No no no
You have not understood the greek, Go back to Strongs its all there.
Strongs states the word does not imply endless
Even Strongs has a error in its def
I think once you go to Strongs you will understand the meaning
You are almost there,,, just alittle more research

We don't need lexicons, the context of scripture defines "eternal life" in Christ as life that "never dies".

That's everlasting.

You object because you think all the wicked, no exceptions, are punished the same. In context, that text applies to the Sheep and the Goats, Church goers who failed to become Christian in time, before Christ's return. They heard the gospel in church, but only the Sheep did it.

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The text isn't about all the wicked on earth, its about all those of the nations who heard the gospel Christ sent His disciples out to preach:

People who hear the gospel of Christ, but don't do it are judged more harshly than those who never heard:

47 "And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 "But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more. (Lk. 12:47-48 NKJ)

 

[YeshuaGlory]

The word is AEON/ AION
Means
an age
an epoch
NOT forever and ever.
= Heaven is not fotrever ane ever, Now what happens to us post heaven
I have no idea and not at all in the very least bit interested.
Thats Gods business None of my concern, zero
and if we do live on forever, great, do not really care nor interested,
You do realize those who dont care for religion laugh at the idea hell never ends, They all think its the most stupidest concept ever eternally ridiculous.
I hold that same opinion.
So far God has not shown me otherwise.

 

[Alfred Persson]

The word is AEON/ AION
Means
an age
an epoch
NOT forever and ever.
= Heaven is not fotrever ane ever, Now what happens to us post heaven
I have no idea and not at all in the very least bit interested.
Thats Gods business None of my concern, zero
and if we do live on forever, great, do not really care nor interested,
You do realize those who dont care for religion laugh at the idea hell never ends, They all think its the most stupidest concept ever eternally ridiculous.
I hold that same opinion.
So far God has not shown me otherwise.

Can't tell if you are replying to me. The logic is impeccable:

"And these will go away into everlasting (166 αἰώνιος aionios) punishment, but the righteous into eternal (166 αἰώνιος aionios) life." (Matt. 25:46 NKJ)

Although aionios can refer to an "age", in this context it means "everlasting", because Christ said those who believe in Him will NEVER die:

"And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?" (Jn. 11:26 NKJ)

So it can't mean "life for only an age", then those who believe in Christ will die. He didn't teach that.

BUT, it does not follow everlasting punishment is eternal torment. The word Punishment means "cutting off from the vine", cutting it off from the tree of life. It does not follow the cut off vine or branch endures forever. In fact, the opposite would be the case. It dies the death.

In posts 8-9 above I discuss this:

The contrast Christ made is not "punishment" versus "reward", its the "second (eternal) death" versus "eternal life".

"Cutting off" is idiom for the wicked being cut off from the tree of life forever.

That is the punishment the wicked receive, eternal death; the righteous, eternal life.

These will march off into the punishment whose effect is permanent, and the righteous into life eternal. (Matt. 25:46 MIT)

MIT — The Idiomatic Translation of the New Testament

 

[YeshuaGlory]

@
Alfred Persson
The greek does not define the english word
NEVER
as NEVER
There is no such word as NEVER EVER in the entire bible.
This is why on some subjects you must get away from the english.
You need to look at ONLYYYY the key word in any research, NOT the entire verse.
Yeshua is saying those who believe on Him will not face the death as those who reject Him.
Thats what this verse means.
Paul nor Jesus ever NEVER teaches this idea of
forever and ever.
If there was such a thing as ever and ever, Both Yeshua and Paul would make super duper sure to discuss this idea,.
The engliah language has done great IRREPARABLE damage and dodicy harm to Yeshua and His teachings,
It is IMPOSSIBLE to understand the NT via engnisl, only on basic concepts,
as for OT the Jewish Pub Society works perfect for me, I never go to the hebrew. Not saying its perfect but close enough for me resaerches
Hint: when studying the key greek terms stay only w Strongs.

https://biblehub.com/greek/3756.htm

 

[Alfred Persson]

@
Alfred Persson
The greek does not define the english word
NEVER
as NEVER
There is no such word as NEVER EVER in the entire bible.
This is why on some subjects you must get away from the english.
You need to look at ONLYYYY the key word in any research, NOT the entire verse.
Yeshua is saying those who believe on Him will not face the death as those who reject Him.
Thats what this verse means.
Paul nor Jesus ever NEVER teaches this idea of
forever and ever.
If there was such a thing as ever and ever, Both Yeshua and Paul would make super duper sure to discuss this idea,.
The engliah language has done great IRREPARABLE damage and dodicy harm to Yeshua and His teachings,
It is IMPOSSIBLE to understand the NT via engnisl, only on basic concepts,
as for OT the Jewish Pub Society works perfect for me, I never go to the hebrew. Not saying its perfect but close enough for me resaerches
Hint: when studying the key greek terms stay only w Strongs.

https://biblehub.com/greek/3756.htm

Of course English doesn't define the Greek. Usage does and the usage is clear, belief in Christ brings everlasting life, not temporary life only for an age.

It would be better for you to focus on "punishment", its does not mean "torment". The Goats can be annhilated in the lake of fire, and THAT is "eternal kolassis", eternally being cut off from life to "die the death"

κολάζω.

From κόλος (Hom.) “mutilated,” this means “to cut short,” “to lop” or “to trim.” It is used fig. for a. “to impede,” “to restrain”; b. “to punish,” “to chastise” (in the tragic poets, cf. also Ditt. Syll.3, 108, 42; 305, 80; 454, 18; 1199, 10; Ditt. Or., 90, 28; P. Greci e Latini, 446, 14 etc.). The word seems to be linked with κολάζω, “to maim,” “to cut off.” The sense of punishing probably comes by way of trimming, i.e., cutting off what is superfluous. Punishment is designed to cut off what is bad or disorderly.-Schneider, J. (1964–). κολάζω, κόλασις. In G. Kittel, G. W. Bromiley, & G. Friedrich (Eds.), Theological dictionary of the New Testament (electronic ed., Vol. 3, p. 814). Eerdmans.


The contrast Christ made is not "punishment" versus "reward", its the "second (eternal) death" versus "eternal life".

"Cutting off" is idiom for the wicked Goats being cut off from the tree of life forever.

That is the punishment the wicked receive, eternal death; the righteous, eternal life.

These will march off into the punishment whose effect is permanent, and the righteous into life eternal. (Matt. 25:46 MIT)

MIT — The Idiomatic Translation of the New Testament


Another consideration, context. The Goats are those who didn't become Christians, while the Beast was killing Christians. Didn't lift a finger to help them. The "sheep" did, so Christ invites them to become full Christians, as they "received Him when they received His brethren".

The Goats, like the foolish virgins, or unfaithful slave, die the death. Whether they suffer more than annihilation, is according to their works.

 

[Tenchi]

What do you make of this verse, if some won't suffer annihilation:

They are dead, they will not live; They are deceased, they will not rise. Therefore You have punished and destroyed (08045 שָׁמַד shamad) them, And made all their memory to perish. (Isa. 26:14 NKJ)

This is a deflection from what I pointed out in my last post. Eternal punishment is, by definition, suffered by a conscious being without end. This is obvious.

 

[YeshuaGlory]

The Goats are those who didn't become Christians

@ Alfred Person
You do realize Christianityu is man made, God has nothing to do w Christainity,
Becomming **christian ** has nothing yto do w salvation. Following God's Voice commands, to the very best of your ability defines salvation.

I have no idea why you guys persist on promoting this idea of no ending to the afterlife. I'm confused.
God would never ever allow someone to torment for ever.
Now cut off you say not torment., Cut off = Torment, same, can you imagine walking around w no one around you forever.

My guess is these go into a black hole, There is no consciousness insidea blach hole, only the minutest tinyest awareness. Its not torment, neither suffering only the slightest awareness that you are doomed til God releases that soul from the black hole. INO they go in as Putin, but come on in zillions of aeons as something different.
If you say to them as they get out the black hole
Hi Putin
He wll have no idea who you are refering to.
This is what I believe.
THe afterlife is not forever and ever.

 

[Alfred Persson]

This is a deflection from what I pointed out in my last post. Eternal punishment is, by definition, suffered by a conscious being without end. This is obvious.

"Punishment" is the usual meaning for kolasin, but its derived from kolazoo which means "to cut off". Context determines which meaning is being used, when the Greek allows for different meanings.

The antithesis "eternal life" is logically, "eternal death". Not punishment per se. When someone is "cut off" from the tree of life, they die eternally.

This is strenuously disputed by many, particularly as the Jehovah's Witnesses New World Translation seems to be the only Bible that so renders it.

They cite the Emphatic Diaglott:

“Kolasin … is derived from kolazoo, which signifies, 1. To cut off; as lopping off branches of trees, to prune. 2. To restrain, to repress. … 3. To chastise, to punish. To cut off an individual from life, or society, or even to restrain, is esteemed as punishment;—hence has arisen this third metaphorical use of the word. The primary signification has been adopted, because it agrees better with the second member of the sentence, thus preserving the force and beauty of the antithesis. The righteous go to life, the wicked to the cutting off from life, or death. See 2 Thess. 1.9.’)”

I agree with the Emphatic Diglot.

This doesn't imply I agree with JWs on anything.

But my belief about Hades and Judgment Day is derived from scripture and Jewish sources known to Christ and His apostles, also Jews.

Not Catholicism of the later centuries.

 

[Tenchi]

"Punishment" is the usual meaning for kolasin, but its derived from kolazoo which means "to cut off". Context determines which meaning is being used, when the Greek allows for different meanings.

"Cut off" clearly implies separation, which is exactly what is meant by "punishment" in the context of God's eternal punishment of the unrepentant sinner.

The antithesis "eternal life" is logically, "eternal death". Not punishment per se. When someone is "cut off" from the tree of life, they die eternally.

No, the parallel isn't of life and death (annihilation) in Matthew 25:46, but of the gift of eternal life for the righteous and the eternal punishment of the unrepentant wicked. This is what the verse explicitly contrasts, not your "logical antithesis."

 

[Alfred Persson]

"Cut off" clearly implies separation, which is exactly what is meant by "punishment" in the context of God's eternal punishment of the unrepentant sinner.



No, the parallel isn't of life and death (annihilation) in Matthew 25:46, but of the gift of eternal life for the righteous and the eternal punishment of the unrepentant wicked. This is what the verse explicitly contrasts, not your "logical antithesis."

Antonyms for "punishment" are

• award
• happiness
• reward

Not eternal life.

The antithesis doesn't exist in your interpretation. It does in mine, via the idiomatic usage of kolasis. The branch cut off from the tree of life dies forever, the second death.

Context is relevant. The goats, apart from not practicing charity, don't appear especially wicked. They call Christ "lord". It seems unjust people are tormented eternally because they weren't charitable during their short lives on earth.

BUT context also implies their charity was withheld during the Beast's persecution of Christ's brethren, which could have resulted in deaths. So, casting into the fire is just. How long they should be conscious however, should be according to their works. As it is taught in Revelation c. 20.

 

[Alfred Persson]

The Goats are those who didn't become Christians

@ Alfred Person
You do realize Christianityu is man made, God has nothing to do w Christainity,
Becomming **christian ** has nothing yto do w salvation. Following God's Voice commands, to the very best of your ability defines salvation.

I have no idea why you guys persist on promoting this idea of no ending to the afterlife. I'm confused.
God would never ever allow someone to torment for ever.
Now cut off you say not torment., Cut off = Torment, same, can you imagine walking around w no one around you forever.

My guess is these go into a black hole, There is no consciousness insidea blach hole, only the minutest tinyest awareness. Its not torment, neither suffering only the slightest awareness that you are doomed til God releases that soul from the black hole. INO they go in as Putin, but come on in zillions of aeons as something different.
If you say to them as they get out the black hole
Hi Putin
He wll have no idea who you are refering to.
This is what I believe.
THe afterlife is not forever and ever.

We couldn't more radically disagree. There is so much disagreement I don't know where to start. So I won't. Have a nice day.

 

[Alfred Persson]

"Cut off" clearly implies separation, which is exactly what is meant by "punishment" in the context of God's eternal punishment of the unrepentant sinner.



No, the parallel isn't of life and death (annihilation) in Matthew 25:46, but of the gift of eternal life for the righteous and the eternal punishment of the unrepentant wicked. This is what the verse explicitly contrasts, not your "logical antithesis."

Catholic eschatology so focused on eternal punishment in Hades, the OT basically became irrelevant. But Christ and His apostles only had the OT. "Cutting off" is what happened to transgressors:

KJV Gen. 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
KJV Exod. 12:15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.
KJV Exod. 12:19 Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a stranger, or born in the land.
KJV Exod. 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
KJV Lev. 7:20 But the soul that eateth of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings, that pertain unto the LORD, having his uncleanness upon him, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.
KJV Lev. 7:21 Moreover the soul that shall touch any unclean thing, as the uncleanness of man, or any unclean beast, or any abominable unclean thing, and eat of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings, which pertain unto the LORD, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.
KJV Lev. 7:25 For whosoever eateth the fat of the beast, of which men offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, even the soul that eateth it shall be cut off from his people.
KJV Lev. 7:27 Whatsoever soul it be that eateth any manner of blood, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.
KJV Lev. 17:10 And whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, that eateth any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eateth blood, and will cut him off from among his people.
KJV Lev. 19:8 Therefore every one that eateth it shall bear his iniquity, because he hath profaned the hallowed thing of the LORD: and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
KJV Lev. 20:6 And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.
KJV Lev. 22:3 Say unto them, Whosoever he be of all your seed among your generations, that goeth unto the holy things, which the children of Israel hallow unto the LORD, having his uncleanness upon him, that soul shall be cut off from my presence: I am the LORD.
KJV Lev. 23:29 For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
KJV Num. 9:13 But the man that is clean, and is not in a journey, and forbeareth to keep the passover, even the same soul shall be cut off from among his people: because he brought not the offering of the LORD in his appointed season, that man shall bear his sin.
KJV Num. 15:30 But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
KJV Num. 15:31 Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.
KJV Num. 19:13 Whosoever toucheth the dead body of any man that is dead, and purifieth not himself, defileth the tabernacle of the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from Israel: because the water of separation was not sprinkled upon him, he shall be unclean; his uncleanness is yet upon him.
KJV Num. 19:20 But the man that shall be unclean, and shall not purify himself, that soul shall be cut off from among the congregation, because he hath defiled the sanctuary of the LORD: the water of separation hath not been sprinkled upon him; he is unclean.

To be "cut off" from the people of God is to be denied access to the "tree of life", which results in eternal death. Hence the usage in Mt. 25:46, its idiomatic. Destruction or eternal death from which there is no resurrection, is the result of being "cut off."

Punishment for the obstinate soul was "cutting off" that resulted in death. We see that belief in a Aramaic Targum of Num. 15:31:

“He shall be cut off in this world, and that man shall be cut off in the world to come, and bear his sin in the day of judgment.-Owen, J. (1854). An Exposition of the Epistle to the Hebrews (W. H. Goold, Ed.; Vol. 18, p. 503). Johnstone and Hunter.

This does not deny eternal punishment for those who deserve it. But not everyone deserves it. For example, the THREAT OF ETERNAL TORMENT for taking the Mark of the Beast would have no meaning if all sinners receive eternal torment.

Therefore, less than eternal torment for less sin must exist or the THREAT has no meaning:

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. (Rev. 14:9-11 KJV)

 

[YeshuaGlory]

OK sedems the mids have me blocked off my topic
Hell not forever.
Guess I made too many infractions. anyway,, as i was cooking, something whispered to me
**My words will never pass away**
Then I recalled the 1st part
Heaven and earth will pass away.
BINGO
Tnanks Yeshua, You gave me the fool proof verse I was looking for.
However the mods might delete this topic as redundancy, but w the other topic closed off, I can not finish what I had to say, Yeshua gave me this verse.
So if you block or delete this topic, you might just be blocking the Voice of God.
So here is the verse in greek. and i interpret this verse to mean
LITERALLYYY\That heaven and earth will cease
But Yeshua's Agape will live forever and ever,,,and ever
Proof that heaven and hell are not forever
Now I am being discourtous to any one here, I've never ever insult, nor attack any member here. I foillow all the rules, Respect and courtesy.

https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/24-35.htm

 

[GodsGrace]

OK sedems the mids have me blocked off my topic
Hell not forever.
Guess I made too many infractions. anyway,, as i was cooking, something whispered to me
**My words will never pass away**
Then I recalled the 1st part
Heaven and earth will pass away.
BINGO
Tnanks Yeshua, You gave me the fool proof verse I was looking for.
However the mods might delete this topic as redundancy, but w the other topic closed off, I can not finish what I had to say, Yeshua gave me this verse.
So if you block or delete this topic, you might just be blocking the Voice of God.
So here is the verse in greek. and i interpret this verse to mean
LITERALLYYY\That heaven and earth will cease
But Yeshua's Agape will live forever and ever,,,and ever
Proof that heaven and hell are not forever
Now I am being discourtous to any one here, I've never ever insult, nor attack any member here. I foillow all the rules, Respect and courtesy.

https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/24-35.htm

The heavens doesn't mean what you think.
It just means the universe, like in Genesis.

 

[Tenchi]

Antonyms for "punishment" are

• award
• happiness
• reward

Not eternal life.

You don't seem to understand: The verse says what it says. And what it says is that, just as life for the righteous is eternal, the punishment of the wicked is also eternal.

Matthew 25:46 (KJV)
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Matthew 25:46 (NASB)
46 "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Matthew 25:46 (ESV)
46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Offering antonyms, then, is not at all useful since the verse does not employ an antonymic parallel (life and death), but a parallel that highlights a similarity between disparate things: the eternality of both the life of the righteous and the punishment of the unrepentant wicked. This eternality is the focus of the parallel, not the antonymic parallel between life and death you're trying to impose on the verse.

The antithesis doesn't exist in your interpretation. It does in mine, via the idiomatic usage of kolasis. The branch cut off from the tree of life dies forever, the second death.

What does the verse actually say? It speaks not of life and death but of life and punishment and that both are eternal. So, whose "interpretation" treats the verse most honestly and straightforwardly? Mine. I have not said anything about the verse that it does not itself say. You, in contrast, are trying to foist upon the verse an antonymic construction that it doesn't have and upon that illegitimate construction attach a whole superstructure of false doctrine.

Context is relevant. The goats, apart from not practicing charity, don't appear especially wicked. They call Christ "lord". It seems unjust people are tormented eternally because they weren't charitable during their short lives on earth.

This is just obfuscation, an attempt to squirm around the plain declaration of Christ's words. Again, the verse parallels the eternal nature of life and punishment, not life and death. Whether or not you think what Christ said is "fair" is quite irrelevant to what he actually said.

Matthew 25:41-46 (NASB)
41 "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;
43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.'
44 "Then they themselves also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?'
45 "Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
46 "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

What does Jesus point to as the evil of which those on his left were guilty?

- cruel disregard of the hungry and thirsty.
- cold disregard of the stranger in need of shelter, the naked in need of clothing and the lonely convict in prison.
- in all of their evil disregard of those in need, the wicked were in sinful disregard of Christ, their holy Maker, who had commanded them to love their neighbor as they loved themselves.

Jesus indicated in Matthew 25:46 that the evil he described was so awful that it warranted eternal punishment. You say, though, that the "goats" don't "appear especially wicked." Who has the right of it concerning their sin? You? Or Christ? Not you, obviously. Will you humble yourself under Christ and accept that as a sin-cursed person, finite, ignorant and comparatively unholy, that you can't see sin as the sinless Savior does and so cannot properly judge it's evil character? Or will you deny the words of Jesus himself and assert your own view of what the unrepentant sinner deserves?