here today gone tomorrow. A third of man kind.?

[johnny botwright]

They say the methane bubble is very dangerous it could explode like a nuclear bomb or the climate may cause toxic fumes, the air may become poisonous ?
Regarding the Gulf crisis. B.P

I know they say methane was the cause of the Bermuda triangle, ships could not float, and planes could not fly.
I watched a programme about a large lake in Africa, Tan zanier i think, where again i think it was an earth quake tremor that stirred up the bottom of the lake, and released all this trapped at the bottom of the lake, the methane rose, travelled across the water, and the surrounding villages, people died in their sleep, like wise the live stock, as the methane replaced the oxygen.

i wonder if the sale of canaries will go up.?

Have any prophecies come to light over this situation? or the middle East,? some say is just as explosive,
synchronicity?
concerning Israel and Iran. Israel now surrounded by missiles some with bio war heads. Is the bubble about to burst?

just a thought A third of the trees, a third of the grass, are burned up, fire spreads., a third of the sea turned to blood, red oil, a methane, petroleum fumes and toxic fire storm, A third of the ships destroyed, methane. sink. Revelations prophecy.

Also

The middle east ignites ,explodes into world war three, the kings of the East a third of mankind are slain. Revelations a prophecy.

volcanic ash from Iceland produces a blood red moon? Today is the day of the Lords salvation.

in a moment in a twinkling of an eye. or as some say, here today gone tomorrow.

johnny

 

[johnny botwright]

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Ahoy!!! Excellent post, for many years now on our sailboats we have included full face respirators with combination filters due to spurious releases of Subsea Methane. Many crews of small vessels have been lost to this environmental phenomenon .

You sound like one of the few who is aware of Envirotranspiration.

And this methane is rising up to merge with the ozone.

Gotta go, be back 'morrow.

Aloha!!

April the 19th, Israel celebrates its independence in 2010," Gallups says in narration on the video. "On April the 19th, Fox News reports that the U.S. will no longer automatically support Israel in the United Nations. The next day, on April the 20th, the Deepwater Horizon oil rig explodes. Coincidence? Or the hand and judgment of God?"

 

[veteran]

Hate to burst your doomsday bubble, but how literal is Revelation concerning that?

Rev 8:7-12
7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
(KJV)

I do believe that's about man's pollution of the earth, but not mass execution of a third of men.

The signs of a one world system forming up are with us to a very great degree, especially with the organizational structure for an American union like the EU already in place within the shadow government. But that's in prep for the "great tribulation" which is about the locust army being loosed upon the earth in Rev.9.

And in Rev.9 that locust army is told not to hurt any tree, nor green thing, and that they cannot kill those who aren't sealed, but only sting them for five months. Rev.9:18 shows a third part of men killed, but by what? By the fire, smoke, and brimstone that issues out of the MOUTHS of the locust army. That's a metaphor for killing one's soul with spiritual death, not literal flesh death.

We know those sealed with God's seal are going to be persecuted, even some put to death. But that third part of men being killed in Rev.9:18 is about the deceived, not Christ's servants who remain faithful to Him during the tribulation.

 

[johnny botwright]

A third of men are KILLED, not decieved, not talking about the saints who come out of the tribulation. Revelations 9-18 regarding the kings of the East.

we could be at the time, when as in Ezekiel, a vast host comes up agaisnt Israel.

Islamic nations, ? Russia?

and God magnifys and sanctifys himself, in the eyes of many nations that he is Lord .

The Holy one of Israel.

demostrating his power.

7 months to bury the dead, and cleanse the Land, such is the slaughter on the mountains of Israel.?

As for worm wood, some people made reference to the Nuclear power station, melt down in Russia.

This present event in the Gulf, could be on the same lines, a burning mountain cast into the sea,

when the horizon rig exploded , like a burning mountain? then cast into the sea. just a thought.

johnny

 

[JudaicChristian]

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Ahoy!!! Excellent post, for many years now on our sailboats we have included full face respirators with combination filters due to spurious releases of Subsea Methane. Many crews of small vessels have been lost to this environmental phenomenon .

You sound like one of the few who is aware of Envirotranspiration.

And this methane is rising up to merge with the ozone.

Gotta go, be back 'morrow.

Aloha!!

April the 19th, Israel celebrates its independence in 2010," Gallups says in narration on the video. "On April the 19th, Fox News reports that the U.S. will no longer automatically support Israel in the United Nations. The next day, on April the 20th, the Deepwater Horizon oil rig explodes. Coincidence? Or the hand and judgment of God?"

There seems to be a long list of events like that, but everyone is saying that it is just a bunch of coincidences. It seems unnatural to me for these events to always coincide.

 

[veteran]

A third of men are KILLED, not decieved, not talking about the saints who come out of the tribulation. Revelations 9-18 regarding the kings of the East.

we could be at the time, when as in Ezekiel, a vast host comes up agaisnt Israel.

Islamic nations, ? Russia?

and God magnifys and sanctifys himself, in the eyes of many nations that he is Lord .

The Holy one of Israel.

demostrating his power.

7 months to bury the dead, and cleanse the Land, such is the slaughter on the mountains of Israel.?

As for worm wood, some people made reference to the Nuclear power station, melt down in Russia.

This present event in the Gulf, could be on the same lines, a burning mountain cast into the sea,

when the horizon rig exploded , like a burning mountain? then cast into the sea. just a thought.

johnny

The battle of Armageddon of Rev.16, a sixth vial event, is the last event to happen on this earth just prior to Christ's coming. We're not that far yet, for the 10 kings of the Rev.13 beast has not appeared yet, along with the beast king who they give their power to for one hour.

 

[johnny botwright]

The second seal, the rider is given a large sword, the red horse, to take peace from the earth,

is the battle of magog Gog, as tolled in Ezekiel, the hook through the jaw, and brought to Israel for slaughter, 7 months to bury the dead, the battle of Armageden?

is Armageded more to do with the forces of the antichrist.

some also mention pslam 83.
johnny

 

[Vic C.]

There seems to be a long list of events like that, but everyone is saying that it is just a bunch of coincidences. It seems unnatural to me for these events to always coincide.

While I will admit to not fully believing in coincidences, one thought comes to mind; BP isn't a US company. Why not take out a rig owned by Exxon? They never really fully compensated or repented for what happened in Alaska anyway.

 

[Sinthesis]

There seems to be a long list of events like that, but everyone is saying that it is just a bunch of coincidences. It seems unnatural to me for these events to always coincide.

While I will admit to not fully believing in coincidences, one thought comes to mind; BP isn't a US company. Why not take out a rig owned by Exxon? They never really fully compensated or repented for what happened in Alaska anyway.

I read in my horoscope that superstitious people want to believe, so they will find a way to rationalize their belief in 'whatever' by way of subjectively filtering coincidences into signs after the fact.

 

[johnny botwright]

for what its worth, depending on your view, we have a saying in the U.K one mans meet is another mans poision.

i posted some time back, would there be event between the 19th april, and the 1st may, the illuminati.

talking about rituals, secret societys, human sacrifice, the black sabath, a fire sacrifice to molach.

i said at the time the ivory coast region, i was keeping an eye to,

then the rig blew up, exploded in the gulf, i mentioned to about synchronicity,

and events i noticed like ripples in the pond, their ripples over lapping.

A coach over turned in a famous hill district in the U.K Isreal is on seven hills.

there were shootings in the lake district uk, also Israel with the ships they boardered.

then there was a coach that went over near johanasbergh South Africa. Johanasberg, is nicknamed Jewsberg.
then there was all the talk of a methane explosion happening in the gulf, petrolem spirit, flamnable toxins.
Then near Rwanda in the congo this tanker over turns and explodes. the area i was keeping an eye to.
so we could be looking at a situation that could be triggered, that over turns, explodes, with little or no warning, people engulfed over whelmed, by the situation, chain reaction.

present situation in the middle east,persian gulf, present situation in the gulf of mexico.


is the writting on the wall? johnny

 

[veteran]

A third of men are KILLED, not decieved, not talking about the saints who come out of the tribulation. Revelations 9-18 regarding the kings of the East.

we could be at the time, when as in Ezekiel, a vast host comes up agaisnt Israel.

Islamic nations, ? Russia?

and God magnifys and sanctifys himself, in the eyes of many nations that he is Lord .

The Holy one of Israel.

demostrating his power.

7 months to bury the dead, and cleanse the Land, such is the slaughter on the mountains of Israel.?

As for worm wood, some people made reference to the Nuclear power station, melt down in Russia.

This present event in the Gulf, could be on the same lines, a burning mountain cast into the sea,

when the horizon rig exploded , like a burning mountain? then cast into the sea. just a thought.

johnny

Rev 9:17-19
17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
(KJV)

Like I said, the Scripture shows that one third of men are killed by what comes out of the MOUTHS of the locust army, and not by literal weapons of man's war. It's about spiritual death, not physical death.

That event of Rev.9 takes place on the 6th trumpet - 2nd woe period. Our Lord Jesus returns on the 7th trumpet - 3rd woe period per Rev.11. That 6th trumpet is about tribulation timing. The 7th trumpet is linked to the 7th vial which is about the battle of Armageddon, a battle which our Lord Jesus and His angels fight at His coming. That's when the events of Ezekiel 39 happens.

If you'd study the event types in Revelation, and especially the events given within the 3 woe periods, you'd discover a time of trouble leading into the tribulation, and the tribulation time itself being about a time of great deception with false messiah setup as king over all nations (the one world government system completed, with a one world ruler).

In Mark 13:7, our Lord Jesus that when we hear of wars and rumours of war, don't be troubled, for the end is not yet. The opposite of wars is a time of peace, the "Peace and safety" Apostle Paul said the deceived will be declaring (1 Thess.5). That reveals there's going to be a short time of world peace upon this earth just prior to Christ's coming. Armageddon is about the time of Christ's coming with His angels. It's the battle that ends the great tribulation. Trying to move the time of Armageddon to before the tribulation is a false doctrine of men.

 

[johnny botwright]

So are you saying there will be no major conflict in the middle East until Armagedon?
The battle in Ezekiel a major conflict, 7 months to bury the dead, slaughter on the mountains of Israel.
and pslam 83 also many mention ,
Which seems to come from the nations surrounding Israel, also from the North.
It has also been said, that the King of the North, arrives three and a half years before the Kings of the East.?
If these are different conflicts in the middle East, which one represents the Abomination that causes desolation.?
The forces at Armagedon, you say the third of men killed regarding the Kings of the East, is only spiritual?
So the kings of the East, have nothing to do with the forces at Armagedon.?
As Armagedon is an actual battle. ?
Rev 9:17-19
17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
so if john was seeing modern warfare , planes firing missiles, helecopter gun ships, tanks.ect how would he described what he saw in the vision?
Then there people who say the 200 million mentioned are demons from the pit?
others demon, alien deception, conflict.

Phil Schneider the alien agenda. under ground bases. you tube.

who was badly burnt from a blue ray, fingers burnt off, ect by an alien grey, demon ?

The point i was also making was to day is the day of the Lords salvation, here today gone tomorrow.

The tanker blowing up in the congo, 120 plus dead, weather its 120 , or 1,200,000 how many will be saved, or lost, we are all in range.

in a moment in a blink of an eye, the unexpected when least expected.
a situation can over turn, and we can be over whelmed.

johnny

 

[Sinthesis]

So are you saying there will be no major conflict in the middle East until Armagedon?
...
in a moment in a blink of an eye, the unexpected when least expected.
a situation can over turn, and we can be over whelmed.

johnny

That is why you should place your faith in Christ. There is no need to get all worked up over that which you so clearly don't understand.

• Jhn 16:33 - These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

 

[veteran]

So are you saying there will be no major conflict in the middle East until Armagedon?
The battle in Ezekiel a major conflict, 7 months to bury the dead, slaughter on the mountains of Israel.
and pslam 83 also many mention ,
Which seems to come from the nations surrounding Israel, also from the North.
It has also been said, that the King of the North, arrives three and a half years before the Kings of the East.?
If these are different conflicts in the middle East, which one represents the Abomination that causes desolation.?

The setting up of the abomination that maketh desolate (Dan.11; Mark 13) is about idol worship in a temple in Jerusalem. That's specifically what the abomination is (see Ezek.8 about the image of jealousy). Antiochus Epiphanes in 165-170 B.C. was the best example of that event to date. He conquered Jerusalem first with an army, and then desolated the inner temple with sacrificing swine upon the altar and spreading its broth around inside the temple, and then setup pagan idol worship for those at Jerusalem. He fulfilled the prophecy almost to a tee. Yet our Lord Jesus later warned of another one in the last days who is to come that will do that again, but on a level that it would almost deceive His own elect (Matt.24:23-28).

Wars will continue today until... the one of Rev.13:11 forward shows up to take Jerusalem for the final and complete fulfillment of the abomination of desolation prophecy. Not only will that involve Jerusalem, but all nations under the rule of a world king. That's when the time will start when the deceived will say, "Peace and safety". That's pointing to the world beast system of Rev.13:1 that is to be over all nations and peoples, with 10 kings giving their authority and power to that beast king. So don't be deceived by wars, for that's only a sign that the most dangerous time, the time of great deception, has not yet come.

Dan.12:1 is pointing to the start of the tribulation, and in Dan.12:6 Daniel asks how long it would be til the end of these wonders. He was told it would be for a time, times, and a half for that false one to scatter the power of the holy people, and all these things be finished. That equals 1260 days. In Rev.11 we're shown God sends His two witnesses for that time to prophesy against the beast for 1260 days. A temple is mentioned with those who worship inside it while the Gentiles tread its courts. All that occurs within the 6th trumpet - 2nd woe period. That's the time of the Rev.9 prophecy of the locust army slaying one third of men with what comes out of their 'mouths', pointing to deception, not literal war.

But on the 7th trumpet -3rd woe is shown Christ's coming with inheriting the kingdoms of all nations on earth, and the defeat of the wicked. That's when the battle of Armageddon happens, which is what Hamongog is about in Ezekiel 38-39. That's on the 7th trumpet and 7th vial. The one world beast system is not going to jel. God's Power through His witnesses that stand for Christ are going to cause it problems. And that's when that false king/messiah will seek to wipe all of God's people off the earth, especially the mountains of Israel (per Ezek.38). That's when fury will come up in God's Face, and He will bring the "sudden destruction" upon that great army out of the northern quarters.

The forces at Armagedon, you say the third of men killed regarding the Kings of the East, is only spiritual?
So the kings of the East, have nothing to do with the forces at Armagedon.?
As Armagedon is an actual battle. ?

What vial is it when the battle of Armageddon happens? You'll discover it's on the 7th vial per Rev.16. And, our Lord Jesus is linking the time of His coming as a thief in the night with it, which is also the 7th trumpet. But the locust army begins its operations on the 5th trumpet, and fully loosed on the nations on the 6th trumpet, with the events of Rev.11:1-14 happenning in Jerusalem. Even deception by miracles is being shown on the 6th vial of Rev.16 that causes the kings of the earth to join together in prep for Armageddon on the 7th vial.

so if john was seeing modern warfare , planes firing missiles, helecopter gun ships, tanks.ect how would he described what he saw in the vision?
Then there people who say the 200 million mentioned are demons from the pit?
others demon, alien deception, conflict.

God revealed more about that locust army in the Book of Joel. That's where He first used those symbols of a lion and locusts to represent Satan's host take control over the earth, not just militarily, but economically too. One of the seven seals is about the balances of commerce. Locusts that have teeth like lions, hair of women, breastplates of iron, those are all symbolic metaphors God uses to describe HOW they attack and work. Only one part of the description let's you know He's actually talking about men, the part where the locusts are described with faces of men.

Take the hair of women symbol in Rev.9 about the locust army. If the locusts are a real physical army with tanks, infantry, arty, planes, and helicopters, where in the world does that hair of women metaphor fit them? It does not fit a literal military army. Instead it fits a working of deception. Men with the hair of women is a symbol to represent softness, meekness. It especially links with what comes out of the locust army's MOUTHS, i.e., words, lies.

Also, how does the locust army have tails like serpents if it's a literal army? Their power also is in their tails, and that's actually about the scorpion metaphor our Lord gave earlier in Rev.9 with the locusts. It's because our Lord is using natural things as a metaphor for HOW they work deception, destroying souls. A real scorpion has no digestive system. It stings its prey and regurgitates a fluid inside its victim's mouth, and the victim's insides literally turn to mush. Then the scorpion sucks it up. The victim is left as an empty shell. That's HOW that locust army attacks, using the power of its MOUTH, and in its tail. It's all pointing to deception, lies.

Phil Schneider the alien agenda. under ground bases. you tube.

who was badly burnt from a blue ray, fingers burnt off, ect by an alien grey, demon ?

I don't believe in aliens. If that phenomena is real, then they are demons, not aliens. But isn't that one of the events of the seven seals, the rider on the pale horse named "Death", and that Hell follows with him? (Rev.6) And isn't unclean spirits like frogs mentioned coming out of the MOUTHS of the beast, dragon, and false prophet given within the 6th vial timing of Rev.16? It even says they are the spirits of demons working miracles that go to the kings of the earth AND the whole world, to gather them to battle of the great day of God Almighty (i.e., the day of The LORD, which is when Christ comes, on the 7th trumpet). Even within that, we're shown a time of deception upon the whole earth by the beast, dragon, and false prophet that happens first, and then Armageddon happens next with Christ's coming.

The point i was also making was to day is the day of the Lords salvation, here today gone tomorrow.

Today is The Lord's Promise of Salvation. His Salvation has not yet come to this earth, for we do still hope for it as long as we're here on this earth. You will know the difference once He does return on the 7th trumpet, and 7th vial, and He subdues the wicked with a rod of iron.

The tanker blowing up in the congo, 120 plus dead, weather its 120 , or 1,200,000 how many will be saved, or lost, we are all in range.

in a moment in a blink of an eye, the unexpected when least expected.
a situation can over turn, and we can be over whelmed.

If you heed the many so-called Christian books out there that preach doomsday events, then you're not spending your money and time wisely. Those who stay on watch for the specific signs our Lord gave are not going to be surprised at His coming. His coming is not to be a surprise to His servants, as per Paul in 1 Thess.5. It will be a surprise for those who are deceived though, simply because those would rather listen to man instead of getting into our Lord's Word for theirselves to get understanding.

 

[johnny botwright]

Its not about being worked up, or spending time and money unwisely.

Jesus says, you shall know the truth and the truth shall set/make you free.

I spoke to a man once, his eight month pregnent wife, three lovely children, himself, had just made it out of Rwanda by the skin of their teeth.
2500 plus people were massacred behind them, at the refugee crossing point,

he and his family were tutsi, had they been caught by the hutus, they would have all been slaughtered.
they had lost every thing, he was a lawyer, for an oil company in Rwanda,
there friends reletives, still trapped in Rwanda, gone was their home, money, he had about $2.00 to his name,

but the reality in his face, when he said, i thank God so much , we are alive and together.

also if the kings of the East, is not an army, why is the river dried up so they can cross.

Jesus also spoke about the abomination surrounding Jerusalem, armies, not just standing where it should not be standing.

how many armies surround Israel at the present. including the different factions, hamas, ect

im not talking about rumours of war, im talking about armies that will come agaisnt Israel,

many feel things could kick of sooner rather than later, any time soon,

are you saying this is not going to be the case, and as watchmen, we do not need sound the alarm in zion,?
as for one spark, can set a forest on fire, Like wise what will be the chain reaction, at this present time,
when the fuse is lit.?

would you also say there is no truth, that there is an agenda,? concerning those in the ruling elite pyramid, illuminati, free masons bilderberg, skull and bones ect, who serve satan, to start world war three, nuclear, bio, the depopulation of the planet,economic collapse. while they go to ground in their under ground bases.
as some people suggest. johnny

 

[johnny botwright]

I keep hearing different world leaders, some linked to free masonary, and the illuminati, saying

we will do what ever it takes, almost like a double message, we will do what ever it takes to set up the new world order.

Economic collapse, global conflicts, boi, marshall law, what ever it takes, they will stop at nothing to achieve their aim, goal, one world goverment, the anti christ.

Iran declares war, on its northern boarder, and prepares for war, now on war alert.

The time of Gog, ? Ezekiel 38/39? pslam 83? Hurrican season?

Iran on war alert over "US and Israeli concentrations" in Azerbaijan

http://www.debka.com/


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In a rare move, Iran has declared a state of war on its northwestern border, debkafile's military and Iranian sources report. Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps men and equipment units are being massed in the Caspian Sea region against what Tehran claims are US and Israeli forces concentrated on army and air bases in Azerbaijan ready to strike Iran's nuclear facilities.

The announcement came on Tuesday, June 22 from Brig.-Gen Mehdi Moini of the Revolutionary Guards (IRGC), commander of the forces tasked with "repelling" this American-Israeli offensive. He said: "The mobilization is due to the presence of American and Israeli forces on the western border," adding, "Reinforcements are being dispatched to West Azerbaijan Province because some western countries are fueling ethnic conflicts to destabilize the situation in the region."

In the past, Iranian officials have spoken of US and Israel attacks in general terms. debkafile's Iranian sources note that this is the first time that a specific location was mentioned and large reinforcements dispatched to give the threat substance.

Other Iranian sources report that in the last few days, Israel has secretly transferred a large number of bomber jets to bases in Azerbaijan, via Georgia, and that American special forces are also concentrated in Azerbaijan in preparation for a strike.

No comment has come from Azerbaijan about any of these reports. Iranian Azerbaijan, the destination of the Revolutionary Guards forces reinforcements, borders on Turkey, Iraq and Armenia. Witnesses say long IRGC convoys of tanks, artillery, anti-aircraft units and infantry are seen heading up the main highways to Azerbaijan and then further north to the Caspian Sea.

On Tuesday, June 22, Dr. Uzi Arad, head of Israel's National Security Council and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's closest adviser, said "The latest round of UN Security Council sanctions on Iran is inadequate for thwarting its nuclear progress. A preemptive military strike might eventually be necessary."

debkafile's intelligence and Iranian sources point to three other developments as setting off Iran's war alert:

1. A certain (limited) reinforcement of American and Israeli forces has taken place in Azerbaijan. Neither Washington nor Jerusalem has ever acknowledged a military presence in this country that borders on Iran, but Western intelligence sources say that both keep a wary eye on the goings-on inside Iran from electronic surveillance bases in that country.

2. Iran feels moved to respond to certain US steps: The arrival of the USS Harry S. Truman Strike Group in the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Sea and its war games with France and Israel, which included live-fire bombing practices against targets in Iran.

3. The execution of Abdolmalek Rigi, head of the Sunni Baluchi rebel organization (including the Iranian Baluchis), on June 20 was intended as a deterrent for Iran's other minorities. Instead, they are more restive than ever. Several Azeri breakaway movements operate in Iranian Azerbaijan in combination with their brethren across the border. Tehran decided a substantial buildup in the province would serve as a timely measure against possible upheavals.

johnny

 

[veteran]

Its not about being worked up, or spending time and money unwisely.

Jesus says, you shall know the truth and the truth shall set/make you free.

He said that under the condition that IF we stay in His Word. It's easy to get distracted from what His Word declares, especially today with all the things happenning on this earth. These are exciting but perilous times we're living in.

I spoke to a man once, his eight month pregnent wife, three lovely children, himself, had just made it out of Rwanda by the skin of their teeth.
2500 plus people were massacred behind them, at the refugee crossing point,

he and his family were tutsi, had they been caught by the hutus, they would have all been slaughtered.
they had lost every thing, he was a lawyer, for an oil company in Rwanda,
there friends reletives, still trapped in Rwanda, gone was their home, money, he had about $2.00 to his name,

but the reality in his face, when he said, i thank God so much , we are alive and together.

Yes, I'm aware of how the worst persecutions going on today appears to be in foreign nations outside the West. I also hear of The LORD doing a lot of miracles there too among those who believe on His Son. It's like the tribulation has already started for those. Yet that's the very point I'm talking about, as to just what type of tribulation the "great tribulation" upon God's people is to be, per God's Word.

When our Lord Jesus warned about the time of "great tribulation", He was especially giving a warning about a false messiah doing wonders and great signs that would almost deceive His own elect (Matt.24). That's pointing to a time of safety for some, that as long as you believe on and bow to that false messiah. That's why it's the deceived who will be saying "Peace and safety" like Apostle Paul showed. We have yet to see that happen in any nation today, and the prophecy sets it to happen in Jerusalem specifically.

also if the kings of the East, is not an army, why is the river dried up so they can cross.

The Euphrates river was the northern border of the lands God promised to Israel (2 Sam.8:3). It also serves as a symbolic border between God's people and Satan's host.

Rev 9:12-15
12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
(KJV)

The four angels bound at the river Euphrates is a 6th trumpet event. It's on the 2nd woe period, which is covered from Rev.9:12 to Rev.11:14 (Rev.10 is parenthetical, a chapter giving more info, like a look at the forest instead of focusing on the trees). These four angels are prepared to be loosed at a certain time, a set time. That "for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year" is an expression for a set time. That is pointing to the time of the great tribulation, the 6th trumpet - 2nd woe. But Christ returns on the 7th trumpet - 3rd woe, which is also when the battle of Armageddon happens. That's why this 2nd woe event is not Armageddon. The idea is the symbolic border (Euphrates) between God's people and Satan's host being opened, in order to begin the great tribulation time. It is linked with Rev.12:7 forward when the dragon comes to the earth to persecute the symbolic woman.

Jesus also spoke about the abomination surrounding Jerusalem, armies, not just standing where it should not be standing.

Where did our Lord Jesus say the "abomination of desolation" was about an army? He did not teach that idea. Instead, that's a twist by man used to confuse what He did teach about the abomination of desolation, the setting up of idol worship inside a temple in Jerusalem (Dan.11; Matt.24). Don't you remember the end of Rev.13 teaching of how the dragon sets up a image of the beast for all to bow down in worship to? Nebuchadnezzar did the same thing in Daniel's days. With the placing of the abomination that makes desolate per Dan.11, that's to occur in Jerusalem.

how many armies surround Israel at the present. including the different factions, hamas, ect

im not talking about rumours of war, im talking about armies that will come agaisnt Israel,

many feel things could kick of sooner rather than later, any time soon,

are you saying this is not going to be the case, and as watchmen, we do not need sound the alarm in zion,?

Don't put words in my mouth. What I'm writing here is not difficult to understand. I'm not writing in some foreign language here. We are definitely seeing today the alignment of nations given in Ezekiel 38 coming forth, but it's still not complete yet. That's pointing to Russia, Libya, Ethiopia (Sudan), the area of Armenia, Turkey, and Iran-Iraq, all together, coming to invade the land of Israel, all at once. We definitely have not seen all those nations gathered as one army coming upon Israel at the same time. Instead, they are only pecking at Israel, just as they've done for most of the last 50 years. But keep watching that event, you're very correct to be watching for that.

Jerusalem has been seiged and taken by different armies something like 27 times in its history. There will be a 28th time, but that will be after the tribulation, not before it. The Pre-trib doctrines try to move that event to before the tribulation, which is totally out of line with Bible prophecy.

would you also say there is no truth, that there is an agenda,? concerning those in the ruling elite pyramid, illuminati, free masons bilderberg, skull and bones ect, who serve satan, to start world war three, nuclear, bio, the depopulation of the planet,economic collapse. while they go to ground in their under ground bases.
as some people suggest. johnny

Yes and no. Caroll Quigley, a Georgetown University professor and an 'insider', revealed some things in his 1960's book Tragedy And Hope which got his book knocked out publishing. He showed the northeastern U.S. "establishment" often works with the Communists, and has no problem doing so. That suggests to me an insider operation to do whatever works in order to bring their one world government idea into existence. They're using the concept of 'the end justifies the means.' That just so happens to be the ultimate goal of Communism too. They both are working together to join all nations together under their one world system. It's about control over all nations. Quigley revealed that even though many U.S. military leaders were against using atomic weapons upon Japan, the insiders pushed to use it, and that for the purpose of ushering the world into the idea of nuclear war so as to 'force' the concept of nations joining in world peace, i.e., one world government.

So would they use nuclear weapons in order to bring all nations into a one world government? They already have, and it was upon Japan. The real truth in that, is their goal for a one world government. That is the ONLY reason they would create strife and wars, to make the people and nations say, 'uncle'. After WWI they pushed the League of Nations idea, and many western nations refused it, especially the United States. What happened later? WWII. And in 1945-47 the United States signed onto the U.N. Charter, giving up some of its national sovereignty. (I think it was a guy named Hiss that was one of the main U.S. State Dept. reps at that U.N. signing in San Francisco. He was later discovered to be a Soviet spy).

But do they want to destroy the earth and all people off it? No. They want to rule over the earth, and try to create a world kingdom to their liking in order to serve their god, the devil. And what is it the devil most wants? The devil wants to be GOD. He wants to be worshipped and recognized as GOD. He wants to sit in God's Place over the congregation (Isa.14; Ezek.28).

So like I said, and our Lord Jesus showed, don't be deceived by wars and rumours of wars, for as long as that is going on, the end is not yet (Mark 13:7). Also, God is in control of all this. He has ordained to let the nations gather together in the end so as to pour out His cup of wrath upon them (Zeph.3:8). We need to see His Victory in that, and not see the enemy as having any real power of their own. I sometimes laugh at the thought of their future defeat, especially with all the time and planning for centuries Satan's servants on earth have spent on their one world agenda. And in one hour The LORD is going to strike it all down.

 

[johnny botwright]

Luke 21 - 20 speaks about Jerusalem surrounded by armies, that causes desolation, time to flee to judea, the time of vengence ect.
almost identical to what is written in mathew 24,and Mark. depends what these armies bring with them, whos armies, and what they set up in Jerusalem, the abomination that causes desolation, Islam?

johnny botwright wrote:
Jesus also spoke about the abomination surrounding Jerusalem, armies, not just standing where it should not be standing.

Where did our Lord Jesus say the "abomination of desolation" was about an army? He did not teach that idea. Instead, that's a twist by man used to confuse what He did teach about the abomination of desolation, the setting up of idol worship inside a temple in Jerusalem (Dan.11; Matt.24). Don't you remember the end of Rev.13 teaching of how the dragon sets up a image of the beast for all to bow down in worship to? Nebuchadnezzar did the same thing in Daniel's days. With the placing of the abomination that makes desolate per Dan.11, that's to occur in Jerusalem.

some believe conflict will come before or start the tribulation, some believe since the 7 year Copenhagen agreement was signed, also by Israel , december 19th 2009, this was the start. ?

Tribulation has started intresting post , at http://www.prophecytalk.com

prophecy news forum also a challenge there to any one who can prove differently.

by the person who posted the thread. dates and times included in his post.?

some teach?

4) The Tribulation (Daniel’s 70th Week)

As previously stated, the War of Gog and Magog either occurs at the beginning of the tribulation or signals its approach. The tribulation is a period of seven years of turmoil and horror which will come upon the world. The time period is also known as Daniel’s seventieth week, as the concept was laid out by God in the Book of Daniel:

http://brittgillette.com/WordPress/?p=90

johnny

 

[veteran]

Then show me Scripture of the trumpets and vials of Revelation when the battle of Armageddon happpens.

 

[johnny botwright]

I think what is being spoken about is more the conflict pslam 83, Gog, that could come sooner rather than later, and would proceed Armaggedon.

At present they are talking peace, pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

many feel if Israel attacks Iran,? this will trigger of a chain reaction, from the nations surrounding Israel, now armed to the teeth, thousands of missiles ect.

pslam 124 speaks about how Israel could be over whelmed, swallowed up, engulfed, in the past, if it was not for the Lords protection.


johnny