Hey, what's everyone's thoughts on this?

[Luminous_Rose]

Seriously! We can play the what if game for eternity and nobody ever dies. What if my father had stayed on bed rest instead of going out to try and finish a landscaping project that brought about his second and fatal stroke? But my father was living his life the way he wanted to live it and not concerning himself with all the possibilities for death that surround each of us every day.

But aren't deaths worth preventing if at all possible? At times they can't be, or there isn't anything that can be done, but isn't it worth it to try? Why else do we wear seatbelts in a car? Why do we follow safety protocols for certain jobs, getting on certain carnival rides, or the rules of the road? To prevent death or fatal injuries. Are those things stupid to follow?

I really can't understand 'why' people would generally want to do that, but I am aware that there is a certain segment of society that feels they need to know such things. And for them, there are the tests that you speak of.

You mean why people would generally want to be tested for allergies? Generally when people are having health or digestive issues is when they'd normally turn towards an allergy test. I didn't know I had issues with most grains for over 20 years and I have a lot of health problems. Sometimes I sit here and wonder if I would've stopped the offending foods as a kid - would I have the issues I do now? The chances are pretty good that I would not because my body would've been able to absorb more of the nutrients I was eating. It's a personal choice, though. Not saying everyone is required or should be required. What I'm saying is that it's a useful tool and would be useful information for people to know about their bodies.

I feel so much better and a million times healthier when I avoid the foods that bother me, which makes a lot of sense.

After seeing doctor after doctor, specialist after specialist throughout my entire life, not one thought about testing for food allergies or sensitivities.

I mean, sure, if it's something questionable, but no, unlike you, I pretty much trust when the government agency that is responsible for testing and approving food additives says that something is safe, then I take it as safe. I really don't worry myself that they found by feeding lab rats a 24 hour 7 day a week diet of the equivalent of 6 gallons of some aspartame infused drink or food, that it caused cancerous growths.

And that's your choice if you want to believe the government when they say something is safe. If you don't care about carcinogens in your food then that's your business.

You can trust God to flush those impurities out of our body, but our bodies have limits, too. The liver is a great, amazing organ that can be used to detoxify the body, but it can only handle so much before it starts having issues. While the liver has an amazing way to heal and restore itself, after it starts having issues, it takes quite a lot to heal say a fatty liver. It's kind of like saying, "I'm going to sit here and eat 5 boxes of Zebra cakes every day because God is going to take those impurities right out of me! It's okay!" If we're knowingly doing something harmful to our bodies, especially how let's say a sugar addict lives, that'd be spelling out health troubles after a point. Of course we need to know limits and that's important, and eat what we know is good for us.

I do believe that God has also given me the knowledge and wisdom to be skeptical of a food and look at the ingredients if it doesn't look natural like the way He intended it to be. There weren't Twinkies or Coca Cola back in more ancient times and probably with good reason. If God wanted us to eat Twinkies, I say he would've created the Twinkie plant.

Right! And for those people, they need to be careful about the foods around them. I'm sorry, but I don't agree with your position that because of a few with severe, and let's separate out the 'severe allergic reaction' folks from the 'Oh, I just don't like to eat animal protein' folks around us, that all of us need to put on special blinders so that we don't ever eat something that might cause someone else some medical reaction. Sorry, but I don't find that God imposes such restrictions on His children. I just don't see anything in the Scriptures that would make such an attitude a sin.

Yes, people may need to be careful about foods around them, but like I said - I can't control what a person eats around me say at a restaurant, in the grocery store, at the workplace, at a party, etc. I keep saying, it's not, "Oh, watch what you eat because you have an allergy," that only covers about 50% of the time...you can avoid a food, but that third party cross-contamination can be just as bad and you wouldn't know it was happening until you had a bad reaction. A kid is in class with a peanut allergy and a parent drops off peanut butter cups for the whole class for their child's birthday. Think the peanut allergy kid can control that? Honestly?

Sometimes there's a difference between "a sin" and "being considerate" as well.

When The Holy Bible was written, food allergies and sensitives were practically unheard of (and testing wasn't available) so why would there be rules about it written down?

If my kids brought a friend home from school that said they were allergic to peanuts, you better bet I'd restrict us all from eating or even touching anything peanut while they are over. I know how bad that can be. For that person's safety and well-being, and out of respect for them and their parents.

I don't believe God restricts me from foods I can have, but I do know that God believes in being kind to others - strangers, neighbors, friends. I believe that if someone around me could be put into potential danger from having that food, I will exercise consideration for that person and not eat it for their sake while around them. I don't want anyone else to suffer like my family has so why would I do that to someone else if I full well know they have an allergy?

Well, I'd honestly want to know why you think that it's some 'cowardly' effort being made by food producers to keep you from knowing what's in their food products? Really!?:!?!?! You believe that because some ingredient, and honestly could you give me an example, isn't listed on a food label that it's because the company is 'cowardly'? I don't know, I read that and think, "Wow! Another use of inflammatory words to evoke some expected reaction."

A lot of food manufacturers are being "cowardly" because they're either hiding something or it could be because they don't want to get caught doing something they shouldn't be during the processing, or it could be they have a secret recipe type thing so they hide the ingredients.

The term "natural flavors" can cover thousands of ingredients. It's such a vague term, and is on a lot of things, but they can keep ingredients hidden that the public.

The definition the FDA uses for "natural flavor" is "the essential oil, oleoresin, essence/extractive, protein hydrolysate, distillate, or any product of roasting, heating, or enzymolysis, which contains the flavoring constituents derived from a spice, fruit, or fruit juice, vegetable/vegetable juice, edible yeast, herb, bark, bud, root, leaf or similar plant material, meat, seafood, poultry, eggs, dairy products, or fermentation products thereof, whose significant function in food is flavoring rather than nutritional."

In the US and Europe, that can be over 2,500 chemically defined "flavor substances". I don't like the odds of that gamble.

This allows food companies to make their product seem healthier than it actually is and that in itself is deception and lies. Last I checked, lying to others is a sin.

You got it!!! 'but it is wise to (do) for those that are choking prone'. I don't understand, why do you hold the responsibility for cutting food into small pieces only for those who are prone to choking on their food. Yet, because some are prone to food allergies, we all have to make some sacrifice in the foods we eat? Why the double standard in this?

Again, I'm saying apples to oranges. There's no double standard here. Cutting food into small pieces has nothing to do with allergic reactions. Choking alone isn't something that can be passed through someone via cross-contamination. If someone needs their food cut up before I serve it, I'll surely do that for them without hesitation because I don't want them choking.

I never said "everyone" has to make a sacrifice to the foods they eat? If that's what this whole thing is about then l-o-l.

I never said everyone has to bend to the way we eat or change the "food chain" as you say. Labeling ingredients correctly has nothing to do with that, nor would it change the food chain unless a person doesn't like to know what the ingredients are in their food as an excuse to indulge in junk foods.

Like, I want people to be made AWARE that people like us exist. It affects our social lives heavily because so many people don't care until they get an allergy themselves.

I'm not asking people to eat exactly like I do at all. They can eat the foods I'm allergic to, but I won't be offering handshakes, hugs, etc. because I need to be as here as I can be to take care of my family rather than in bed the rest of the day.

I somehow think you aren't understanding what I'm saying here. You act all offended like I'm telling you that you can't eat how you want or something? I'm not trying to change your diet. All I was saying was that people should be aware that not everyone can eat that way. That's all.

 

[Luminous_Rose]

John the Baptist actually ate bugs. Paul wrote not to make a fuss over what food is set in front of you and not to ask questions about it. And that is the point. How much should we care for the body we are given as the temple of the Holy Spirit and how much should we realize that food is not to be the focus of our lives, Jesus is. My personal opinion of Vegan is it is a subtle worship of food or Mother Earth. It makes the person place way too much emphasis on food and gives them reason to make other's lives difficult (power) as they are not grateful for having food but insist on special food. It is a type of power over others and gives what they eat too much of their devotion. This is similar to foods we buy in the store.

Also coming from a society that probably didn't have food allergies and surely didn't have a way to test food allergies like we do now.

What if there were foods that you ate then couldn't breathe? Foods that would send you to the hospital? You think you wouldn't make a fuss at all if it were sat in front of you?

How many Vegans have you talked to? Not all of them eat that way because they worship Mother Earth or their food. Some of them don't like how conventionally raised animals are treated and killed in factories and don't want their money to go to that cause. Have you ever heard of alpha-gal syndrome (AGS)? Triggered by a tick bite, this illness makes a person allergic to meat. Would make sense for a person that suffers from AGS to avoid meats and have to revert to more Vegan or Vegetarian diet for themselves. While it's not a diet I would follow unless I had to, some people have their reasons.

Eating a special or certain way doesn't give people a "power" over others. Maybe people who get upset at other people that have food allergies (because how dare they be allergic to something, even if they can't help it?!) feel that way, but I think if a food put you in the hospital, you'd feel differently about that food, too.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Also coming from a society that probably didn't have food allergies and surely didn't have a way to test food allergies like we do now.

Food allergies are fairly rare. And most are known.

What if there were foods that you ate then couldn't breathe? Foods that would send you to the hospital? You think you wouldn't make a fuss at all if it were sat in front of you?

No, not at all. I’m actually a fussy eater as sone foods I cannot eat. I never ever make someone else jump through hoops. I just eat the bits I can and say nothing at all. I won’t die from a skimpy meal.

How many Vegans have you talked to?

Enough. They make everyone jump through extra hoops for their idiosyncrasies. Not a one had allergies. Most were saving the planet.

Not all of them eat that way because they worship Mother Earth or their food. Some of them don't like how conventionally raised animals are treated and killed in factories and don't want their money to go to that cause.

Studies show vegans develop more brittle bones. High price to pay. I wonder if they refuse to shop at IKEA or refuse electric cars because child labor is involved in production or are only the animals important.

Have you ever heard of alpha-gal syndrome (AGS)? Triggered by a tick bite, this illness makes a person allergic to meat. Would make sense for a person that suffers from AGS to avoid meats and have to revert to more Vegan or Vegetarian diet for themselves. While it's not a diet I would follow unless I had to, some people have their reasons.

That has got to be rare and no Vegan I talked to or ate with had a meat allergy. So do those Vegans eat eggs and milk products?

Eating a special or certain way doesn't give people a "power" over others.

It certainly does if you’re planning a meal and some demand vegan. That’s power…”you cook according to My rules.”

Maybe people who get upset at other people that have food allergies (because how dare they be allergic to something, even if they can't help it?!)

No one is upset about other’s food allergies. Vegans aren’t fussy because of allergies. That’s the point. They are making sacrifices for the animal’s sake, not their allergies.

feel that way, but I think if a food put you in the hospital, you'd feel differently about that food, too.

I’ve never met a Vegan who claimed eggs, butter, milk, meat, cheese, etc. puts them in a hospital.

 

[Luminous_Rose]

Food allergies are fairly rare. And most are known.

Food allergies are not rare. Not most are recognized in the top 8 allergens (milk, eggs, fish, shellfish, tree nuts, peanuts, wheat, and soy).

I can give more than a handful of people I know that are allergic to citrus fruits (lemon, lime, kiwi, etc), strawberry, coconut, mushrooms, etc. etc. the list goes on. Not most are recognized by food labels - only those in the top 8 are. Allergic to those not listed on food labels? There's more challenges to choosing foods that can be eaten.

According to the USDA, 2% of adults in the USA suffer from a food allergy. That sounds small, but that's roughly 6,690,115 people in the USA alone. On top of that 4% - 6% of children suffer from a food allergy in the USA (13,380,231 - 20,070,346 children in the US alone). Food allergies are NOT rare.

According to the USDA: "Each year in the U.S., it is estimated that anaphylaxis to food results in 30,000 emergency room visits, 2,000 hospitalizations, and 150 deaths."

https://www.fsis.usda.gov/food-safe...paration/food-safety-basics/food-allergies#15

Chances are, you've met or come across someone with a food allergy and didn't even know it.

No, not at all. I’m actually a fussy eater as sone foods I cannot eat. I never ever make someone else jump through hoops. I just eat the bits I can and say nothing at all. I won’t die from a skimpy meal.

You didn't answer the question. What if you had a severe allergic reaction in which your throat swelled up to the point you couldn't breathe or you got hives all over your body with unrelenting itchiness, would you eat the offending food if it were sat in front of you?

Perhaps you won't die from something in a meal, but that's not the reality for those out there with food allergies.

Enough. They make everyone jump through extra hoops for their idiosyncrasies. Not a one had allergies. Most were saving the planet.

Not all vegans are that way, though. Perhaps it depends on the group, but I've met vegans that were vegan because that's the foods they actually could eat.

Studies show vegans develop more brittle bones. High price to pay. I wonder if they refuse to shop at IKEA or refuse electric cars because child labor is involved in production or are only the animals important.

I'm not advocating for a vegan lifestyle. I don't eat vegan myself, but there are people out there that actually can't eat meat, dairy, or eggs so that's the safest lifestyle for them. It's not always a, "I only choose to eat that way." Sometimes it's medically necessary.

Some people don't have their priorities straight, but that doesn't account for all vegans.

That has got to be rare and no Vegan I talked to or ate with had a meat allergy. So do those Vegans eat eggs and milk products?

Alpha-Gal Syndrome (AGS) is also difficult to diagnose, tricky to catch so there are probably undiagnosed cases out there. Some that have the meat allergy may or may not also acquire a dairy allergy.

Could be rare, but it sounds underdiagnosed.

There was a study that said up to 80% of people had a difficult time getting a diagnosis for 7+ years.

It doesn't seem certain how many people this has affected. What we do know it's been reported on all continents (except Antarctica of course) and there's possibly eight different ticks that may be able to cause this in people.

It certainly does if you’re planning a meal and some demand vegan. That’s power…”you cook according to My rules.”

While some people might do the whole thing for kicks and no other reason, that's one thing. If they literally can't eat those foods, it's another thing.

No one is upset about other’s food allergies. Vegans aren’t fussy because of allergies. That’s the point. They are making sacrifices for the animal’s sake, not their allergies.

Some do have allergies, some don't.

I’ve never met a Vegan who claimed eggs, butter, milk, meat, cheese, etc. puts them in a hospital.

I have.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Food allergies are not rare. Not most are recognized in the top 8 allergens (milk, eggs, fish, shellfish, tree nuts, peanuts, wheat, and soy).

If the both only 4% of the population that is certainly not common.

I can give more than a handful of people I know that are allergic to citrus fruits (lemon, lime, kiwi, etc), strawberry, coconut, mushrooms, etc. etc. the list goes on. Not most are recognized by food labels - only those in the top 8 are. Allergic to those not listed on food labels? There's more challenges to choosing foods that can be eaten.

A “handful” among 100s or more is not common.

According to the USDA, 2% of adults in the USA suffer from a food allergy.

That’s not common.

That sounds small, but that's roughly 6,690,115 people in the USA alone. On top of that 4% - 6% of children suffer from a food allergy in the USA (13,380,231 - 20,070,346 children in the US alone). Food allergies are NOT rare.

I’m afraid that is just not commonly found…40 people out of 1000 is still not often seen.

According to the USDA: "Each year in the U.S., it is estimated that anaphylaxis to food results in 30,000 emergency room visits, 2,000 hospitalizations, and 150 deaths."

https://www.fsis.usda.gov/food-safe...paration/food-safety-basics/food-allergies#15

Chances are, you've met or come across someone with a food allergy and didn't even know it.

Then they don’t count. I mean if people do not know they should not eat certain foods, then they are not demanding others cook extra for them. So they don't count into the discussion.

You didn't answer the question. What if you had a severe allergic reaction in which your throat swelled up to the point you couldn't breathe or you got hives all over your body with unrelenting itchiness, would you eat the offending food if it were sat in front of you?

What an absurd question. Vegans don’t refuse animal products because they’ll die otherwise.

Perhaps you won't die from something in a meal, but that's not the reality for those out there with food allergies.

Well, food allergies are not nice but that is not the discussion. It is fussing about food you CAN eat.

Not all vegans are that way, though. Perhaps it depends on the group, but I've met vegans that were vegan because that's the foods they actually could eat.

Then they are mostly allergic. No Vegans I know would die from eggs AND cheese AND milk AND meat. When they talk about being vegan, they talk about saving the planet or out of love for those poor cows and chickens.

I'm not advocating for a vegan lifestyle. I don't eat vegan myself, but there are people out there that actually can't eat meat, dairy, or eggs so that's the safest lifestyle for them. It's not always a, "I only choose to eat that way." Sometimes it's medically necessary.

If vegans would die from meat, they wouldn’t tout their “caring for animals.” They just say they have food allergies.

Some people don't have their priorities straight, but that doesn't account for all vegans.

Alpha-Gal Syndrome (AGS) is also difficult to diagnose, tricky to catch so there are probably undiagnosed cases out there. Some that have the meat allergy may or may not also acquire a dairy allergy.

If you die from eating meat it’s not hard to diagnose. And allergies are not easy to diagnosis in any case. And sometimes they go away, to make matters worse. Or suddenly appear in later years.

Could be rare, but it sounds underdiagnosed.

There was a study that said up to 80% of people had a difficult time getting a diagnosis for 7+ years.

It doesn't seem certain how many people this has affected. What we do know it's been reported on all continents (except Antarctica of course) and there's possibly eight different ticks that may be able to cause this in people.

While some people might do the whole thing for kicks and no other reason, that's one thing. If they literally can't eat those foods, it's another thing.


Some do have allergies, some don't.

I have.

But the whole allergy this has nothing to do with vegans who don’t claim allergies as a reason. They are generally insisting on their diet for philosophical reasons.

 

[WIP]

Food allergies are not rare.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the American College of Allergy, Asthma, & Immunology they are rare. That means that roughly 95% of children and 96% of adults do not have food allergies.

"Food allergies are estimated to affect 4% – 6% of children and 4% of adults."
Source:

Food Allergies | Causes, Symptoms & Treatment | ACAAI Public Website

Food allergies affect 4 to 6 percent of children and 4 percent of adults. Learn about the types of food allergies, symptoms, diagnosis and treatment here.

acaai.org

 

[Dorothy Mae]

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the American College of Allergy, Asthma, & Immunology they are rare.

"Food allergies are estimated to affect 4% – 6% of children and 4% of adults."
Source:

Food Allergies | Causes, Symptoms & Treatment | ACAAI Public Website

Food allergies affect 4 to 6 percent of children and 4 percent of adults. Learn about the types of food allergies, symptoms, diagnosis and treatment here.

acaai.org

I am trying to find what the nomenclature for disease prevalence in words. I got what is "rare" but not the words for more prevalent. Would be interesting to know the nomenclature.

But in any case, I have had people over with wheat allergies and I cook differently but it is not difficult. I have had people over who had lactose intolerance which was not difficult at all. I had a vegetarian over for thanksgiving and after some years, she started liking turkey. She otherwise liked being there as there were a lot of dishes without meat and turkey was the only meat dish anyway. She had no allergies but did not generally like meat..until I converted her to turkey....

 

[miamited]

Hi Luminous_Rose

But aren't deaths worth preventing if at all possible?

Sure, with reasonable care. But I wonder how many deaths from cigarette smoking are preventable, yet the people who practice that habit don't quit. People speed and that's a known cause of serious accidents, but people continue to speed. So, yes, deaths are worth preventing if someone wants to take the precautions necessary. But for myself, I'm trusting God. He has said that he has numbered my days and the hairs on my head. Fortunately for him, the numbering of my hairs gets easier every year. I firmly and faithfully believe that I'm going to get the days that He has numbered for me, no matter whether I participate in my health or not. You see, I believe that God knew how I was going to be in my taking care of my health and figured that in when He numbered my days.

Why else do we wear seatbelts in a car?

1. because it's now a law. 2. because it's a reasonable precaution to take while driving.

However, there are a lot of people who don't wear their seat belts. They made a choice and if they're in a serious accident they may die. Similarly with food, if I want to be obsessive about every bite that goes in my mouth, then I certainly have the personal freedom to do so. But pushing that style of living, and there is certainly no biblical example that God expects us to be diligent about the health nature of the foods we put in our mouths, is not for me. And I would rebel against anyone trying to tell me that I can't eat 90% of the foods I eat because they've got some bugaboo about chemicals and preservatives in our foods.

And of course, usually for the 'eat healthy' crowd, it isn't just about chemicals and preservatives. They also want us to stay clear of lactose and peanuts and sugar and pork fatback, etc. etc. etc. I'm sorry, but I'm perfectly satisfied with the days that God has numbered for me and I choose to live my life only taking reasonable precautions to my health. I don't consider reasonable being obsessive about reading food content labels over everything I eat. Sorry.

You mean why people would generally want to be tested for allergies? Generally when people are having health or digestive issues is when they'd normally turn towards an allergy test.

Yes. I mean, I understand that if someone is suffering from some allergic reaction to a food or food additive, they may get tested because their doctor tells them to, but I've never requested an allergen test. BTW researchers 'estimate' that there are about 50 million people with some sort of allergy. 32 million are 'estimated' to have food allergies. That's nowhere near the 'most' of us bar that you established early on in this discussion. Just for fun:


Which country has the highest rate of allergies?
Australia has the dubious crown as the allergy capital in the world, with the UK following as a close second. In Australia, food allergies are seen in 10% of infants, 4-8% of children and around 2% of adults.

Notice again that the nation with the highest rate of allergies doesn't come close to 'most' and quite frankly, I don't think these numbers match up with the numbers from my other source. Although, I guess it must be noted that the other source is an 'estimate' and not an actual count. But if the Australia numbers are correct, then the 'estimate' is likely waaaaay off.

Choking alone isn't something that can be passed through someone via cross-contamination. If someone needs their food cut up before I serve it, I'll surely do that for them without hesitation because I don't want them choking.

Yes, I understand that choking isn't the same as what one eats, but your solution is the same. Let's cut up everybody's food into little pieces so that they don't choke is the same as let's make everybody eat only the foods that are good for them.

Maybe you don't see the connection.

I never said "everyone" has to make a sacrifice to the foods they eat?

That's good. Now we can move on to something else knowing that you're not really upset that everyone else gets to eat the stuff that you personally don't want to eat. Hey, I get that and it's totally your decision what you put in your mouth. I believe that within reason, God doesn't expect his children to worry about the quality of their food. I mean He literally has nothing at all to say about it, unless one wants to say that our 'taking care of God's temple, our body' somehow means that we can only eat certain 'allowed' foods. But there are plenty of places where we know that isn't what that passage is referring to.

Look if eating wheat somehow makes you feel less energetic, and that's what you're after, then go for it. But just understand that it's a personal decision of yours and yours alone in the matter. You can eat wheat, but you choose not to because you believe that you feel better when you don't. Great!!! Don't eat wheat. Or any other food stuff that you personally don't want to eat. Just please understand that that is a personal decision of your own and not in any way some biblical mandate to us. I'm living proof that drinking aspartame won't kill you. At least not in the quantities of normal consumption. I'm living proof that you don't have to wash your hands before you eat, unless, of course, you've been cleaning out the waste tank of your septic system. Then I'd likely wash my hands.

But despite it oft said, there is no Scriptural support for the idea that cleanliness is next to godliness. Even Jesus didn't seem to take to kindly the matter of the Pharisees dissing the disciples for not washing their hands before eating. It's ok. Do you know who made dirt? And I'm confident that He didn't make it to harm us.

God bless,
Ted

 

[miamited]

Hi Luminous_Rose

I can give more than a handful of people I know that are allergic to citrus fruits

So, you know a handful of people, out of 330 million, and to you that should qualify as 'most'. Man, you're beginning to sound like the Grump. He's always talking to 'this person or these people', although he will never point out 'who' they are, that are telling him he's doing everything right. He probably has that same handful of friends that you have that are supporting him in his quest to destroy the nation.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Hi Luminous_Rose

So, you know a handful of people, out of 330 million, and to you that should qualify as 'most'. Man, you're beginning to sound like the Grump. He's always talking to 'this person or these people', although he will never point out 'who' they are, that are telling him he's doing everything right. He probably has that same handful of friends that you have that are supporting him in his quest to destroy the nation.

God bless,
Ted

Some people are quite touchy about veganism. Those who are not sympathetic might find it unpleasant. It is kind of in vogue.

 

[WIP]

pork fatback, etc. etc. etc. I'

Don't take away bacon!!!

 

[miamited]

Don't take away bacon!!!

Ok! Ok! Bro you get to keep your bacon. My son and his wife are big bacon lovers. I used to be and still do like it with a hearty breakfast, but my breakfasts have become more a couple pancakes (once a week) or bowl of cereal while on this diet. But there aren't many things better than a couple eggs, bacon, grits and toast w/jelly. Ummhmmm!

God bless,
Ted

 

[miamited]

Some people are quite touchy about veganism. Those who are not sympathetic might find it unpleasant. It is kind of in vogue.

Hi Dorothy Mae

Yeah, I know. But it's a choice. I don't pooh-pooh people who want to be so very particular about every molecule that they put in their bodies as food. I believe the body for food and food for the body covers a whole lot of stuff that we can eat to sustain our bodies ability to 'live'. But I was just humored in all that I read in the OP link and knew that I probably didn't do or care about any of them, and just wondered where I stood among the community here.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Dorothy Mae]

One week at work they had only vegan meals. It was awful. But they always have nice vegetable soups so I had a lot of those. Otherwise the food look awful. They used recipe

Hi Dorothy Mae

Yeah, I know. But it's a choice. I don't pooh-pooh people who want to be so very particular about every molecule that they put in their bodies as food. I believe the body for food and food for the body covers a whole lot of stuff that we can eat to sustain our bodies ability to 'live'. But I was just humored in all that I read in the OP link and knew that I probably didn't do or care about any of them, and just wondered where I stood among the community here.

God bless,
Ted

I agree. It’s just that some Vegans I know think they’re morally superior because they are saving the planet. They insist the rest of us ought to as well.

 

[miamited]

Hi Luminous_Rose

I somehow think you aren't understanding what I'm saying here. You act all offended like I'm telling you that you can't eat how you want or something? I'm not trying to change your diet. All I was saying was that people should be aware that not everyone can eat that way. That's all.

For the record, I have been aware that some people have food allergies for the better part of my adult life. And I have always allowed that, just like someone who is allergic to anything, it is their personal responsibility to watch what they eat. Yes, if they have a legume allergy, they need to ask, when eating at where someone else has prepared food if there were any peanuts used in the food processing. And yes, they should always carry around an epi pen just like those who need oxygen to breathe properly are responsible for carrying around their own oxygen tank. They aren't there for everyone who needs one as they enter a store.

However, in reading your testimony, and I'm just going on that evidence alone so forgive me if I get it wrong, but some of your complaint about foods seems to be by personal choice. I've honestly never known of someone who eats wheat, dying. And I eat wheat products all the time and I don't feel sluggish unless I've overeaten, which is a regular occurrence for me. I'm working on it though.

But that's a personal choice that I'm making. I'm not asking that everyone cut back on their calorie intake.

Could I ask a question: What chemicals or additives or food stuffs are you seeing that aren't included on U.S. food labels? Do you have a list of 10 processed food additives? I'm assuming it isn't a problem with natural food products that are sold pretty much as they are picked. I mean, are you trying to get the government to give a running list of everything that a cow might have come into contact with in its feeding? Like if a rancher feeds his cattle something that has a particular additive in the feed, do you want that listed on the finished steak package you pick up in the grocery store? Anyway, I'd be interested in reading over the kinds of things that you feel are being left off of our food packaging that you're upset about.

God bless,
Ted

 

[hawkman]

What chemicals or additives or food stuffs are you seeing that aren't included on U.S. food labels?

https://www.webmd.com/special-reports/food-additives/20150723/hidden-food-allergens-threat

"For the last several years, allergens that get left off food labels have been the largest source of problems submitted to the FDA’s Reportable Food Registry.

Companies are supposed to file a report with the FDA when they become aware of foods that could cause serious harm to consumers. Many times these reports trigger food recalls.

In 2012 and 2013, unlabeled allergens were the reason behind 38% of all reports to the registry -- which got a total of 1,153 and 1,471 total reports for both of those years. In 2014, unlabeled allergens were the problem behind 44% of 1,534 total reports for that year, government records show."

Do you have a list of 10 processed food additives?

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/common-food-additives

I will have to admit I eat the occasional frozen pot pie . I bet these 12 are in there .

I mean, are you trying to get the government to give a running list of everything that a cow might have come into contact with in its feeding? Like if a rancher feeds his cattle something that has a particular additive in the feed, do you want that listed on the finished steak package you pick up in the grocery store?

You do not want your milk cow eating wild onions ! Just buy local grass feed beef , much better for you .

Anyway, I'd be interested in reading over the kinds of things that you feel are being left off of our food packaging that you're upset about.

Lying food labels , it can happen .
Food Labels Are LYING To You. Spot These Lies On The Package!

 

[miamited]

Hi hawkman

I appreciated the Webmd link. It certainly does make a difference whether we're talking about someone who 'chooses' to be careful about what they eat based on perceived, and not saying that they aren't real, problems that they are afraid that the food might cause as a reaction in their bodies. Be it some kind of mild rash to just feeling sluggish or queasy. Or it is someone who will wind up in the ER if they're not careful what they eat.

But the information about the list of chems/additives wasn't really what I was looking for. I was asking specifically for a list of ones that aren't commonly listed on product content labels.

As for the lying packaging. I wasn't impressed that the first case was merely that some people think that they see something that says it's 100% of something in a can, don't know that it has to have some sort of propellant. I mean, it's how spray cans work. Certainly someone who is really, really conscious of their food quality would know this. And, if they look on the back of the can, it lists the 'extra' ingredients. And pretty much all processed and canned and bagged foods has some sort of preservative.

• sorbic acid, sodium sorbate, sorbates: cheese, wine, baked goods, and more.
• benzoic acid, sodium benzoate, benzoates: jams, salad dressing, juices, pickles, carbonated drinks, soy sauce, and more.
• sulfur dioxide, sulfites: fruits, wines, and more.
• nitrites, nitrates: meats.

Furthermore, most common sense consumers know that when something say that it's 100% of something, that it generally means, as opposed to some other similar or often married component to a product. Not that there's absolutely nothing else in the can to make it work, or some preservative to keep it 'fresh'.

Cooking oil is often canola, sunflower, olive. And especially with olive oil, manufacturers want to differentiate between just plain first press oil and lesser quality second and third pressing oil. That's almost always what it means when you walk down the oil and flour and sugar aisle and you see "100% virgin Olive oil". But again, for those who are super sensitive to food additives, they need to learn to turn any product over and read the contents label.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I think some of the attention to food you eat varies with where you live. In some places I’ve been, it’s wise not to eat anything from an open market unless it has a peel, for example. This isn’t true in the US. Where we live there isn’t as much processed food. Bread gets moldy after a few days as there is nothing in it to prevent this, for example. So there are precautions it’s wise to take depending upon where you live.

 

[miamited]

I think some of the attention to food you eat varies with where you live. In some places I’ve been, it’s wise not to eat anything from an open market unless it has a peel, for example. This isn’t true in the US. Where we live there isn’t as much processed food. Bread gets moldy after a few days as there is nothing in it to prevent this, for example. So there are precautions it’s wise to take depending upon where you live.

Yes, I suppose that's a real thing in some locales. I know that here, most baked products do have some preservatives, even fresh baked goods, it's just in the flour usually. But pretty much all baked goods commercially produced and sold all across the country will have some preservative in it to help it last the month or so that it might sit on a shelf. I've bought those donut bars and they've sat around for a good long time before they get eaten up. 12 seconds in the micro and they're almost as good as a hot/now Krispy Kreme. ummmhmmmm.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Yes, I suppose that's a real thing in some locales. I know that here, most baked products do have some preservatives, even fresh baked goods, it's just in the flour usually. But pretty much all baked goods commercially produced and sold all across the country will have some preservative in it to help it last the month or so that it might sit on a shelf. I've bought those donut bars and they've sat around for a good long time before they get eaten up. 12 seconds in the micro and they're almost as good as a hot/now Krispy Kreme. ummmhmmmm.

God bless,
Ted

We buy our bread from a bakery baked that day. Even grocery stores have a bakery in the store that backs the break that day. If they ship anything it is the dough which is baked there. Towards the end of the day the shelves are getting empty.