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Hey, what's everyone's thoughts on this?

Hi Luminous_Rose

I understand your point. However, I'd question that it's 'most'. The reason I say that is that we are a nation with a capitalist marketing system. If 'most' people had sensitivities or allergies to food products, then our grocery store shelves would look considerably different. The very reason that the problems that you are bringing up exist in your life is that the 'most' people that manufacturers are trying to reach, aren't like you in that regard. I would venture to say that 'most' people are more like me. Eating and enjoying their food with friends and family and taking what is laid out before them. Maybe being concerned that the extra piece of cake is going to go straight to their waste, but not much beyond that as a concern for eating anything. Shopping at their local grocery store with more of an eye to what things cost, over what's in them. I mean, let's face it. In my world you sell gobs and gobs of Hamburger Helper. In yours, it would be a hard product to find or be completely different. I think we sell gobs and gobs of Hamburger Helper.

It was a reference to my OP. I said that I expected those who would see this list that I've linked as I do, a bit of an over scare about the foods we eat, or, since it brings up the lanolin in gum, there would be those who wouldn't chew the gum. Therefore, those people will never be caught walking and chewing gum at the same time. You fall in to that category, according to your posts. It's perfectly ok with me if you chew some gum once in a while, though.

God bless,
Ted
If there weren't many food allergies, why do they have the "top eight" food allergens that are to be reported on food labels? (Dairy, eggs, fish, fluten, peanuts, shellfish, soy, and tree nuts)?

They're only covering a fraction of the problem anyway, but it's useful for some people because they can find out if they had foods made in factories where cross-contamination can happen and still make them sick.

Sadly, things like strawberries, kiwi, other citrus fruits, etc. are not on this list.

I've met many people over the years and some have crazy lists like we do for their families.

When we used to drop our kids off at this church group thing, they had their allergens listed on their name tags and it was quite a bit for the few kids in that room.

My husband works in a school, there's always food allergies somewhere.

If people all actually got tested for allergens for hundreds of allergens (achievable these days by testing hair with an in-tact root). They would find there is probably something that bothers them somewhere because all of our immune systems are different.

Some people out there are probably like I was, eating whatever I wanted, not realizing it was bothering me until the damage was already done.

I don't believe the article was scaring people too much, though. A lot of those things are found in those food items in that article. People will eat what they're going to eat, though. Many people don't know what's in their food or don't feel bothered by it so they will eat it either way. Lanolin isn't all that harmful, I guess people might be grossed out by the source - but animal fats are in a lot of things and aren't super processed by themselves. So, I probably wouldn't have worried about the lanolin like the person that made the article did. Maybe they had an aversion to the source or wanted vegetarians to know about that because many may not so they called it out. There are definitely worse ingredients in gum than lanolin lol.
 
I'll give you all an example of how much processed foods we eat in this country. Remember one thing. Nobody is forcing anyone to eat processed foods. We do it to ourselves.

In my career I worked for an industrial packaging machinery company. Back in about 2000, I was visiting one of our clients, Stouffer Foods back then, that produced popular frozen entrées, frozen side dishes, various lasagnas, and so forth. One day I was playing with numbers. That one facility had about 20 production lines. On average the machines we had in that facility at the time packaged about 20 cases per minute with 12 products per case. The facility ran production 24/7/365 and they were very efficient at about 85% overall. That's actually quite impressive. Let's do the math. 20 cases per min x 12 products per case x 60 minutes per hour x 24 hours per day x 365 days x .85 = 107,222,400 products per year. That was one of four similar facilities in the United States. So now we multiply that number by 4 and we get 428,889,600 products produced each year. That worked out to more than one product for every man, woman, and child in the country every year. At that time, none of those products were placed into storage. They were selling as fast as they were produced. Keep in mind, similar style packaging machines today are capable of producing twice as many cases per minute.

Here's the catch. The numbers I gave you above account for only one company. How many other companies are their that produce frozen dinners like that? Nobody is forced to purchase those products. It's all voluntary. The only reason companies like that are able to remain in business is because the people purchase their products and demand is high. These companies are always looking for ways to increase production to meet the increased demand.
 
Hi Luminous_Rose
Allergies, when severe enough, can cause anaphylaxis and kill people. I think that's plenty of reason to thoroughly label foods, because people have actually died from foods being mislabeled, or deceptively labeled. Something that might have been able to be prevented wasn't and loss of life over that is tragic.
Yes, and people have died driving cars and people have died walking down the sidewalk and people have died getting shot and people have died falling down and people have died getting old. Newsflash!!! People die! Now, I'm not saying that we should just be offing everyone we don't like because, well, hey, people die. They were going to die anyway. But, there is a phenomenon that happens in this life where people die doing all sorts of things. What they eat is just another of those myriad ways. Many of us are gluttons and overeat, which is something that is changing in my life, as I've gotten older and more sedentary. But I only have to watch the 'quantity' of my eating, not so much the
'quality' of it.

Some people die because food gets caught in their throat and within moments are dead if no one can dislodge the blockage. Do we now have to start cutting all foods into small 1/8" size pieces so nobody ever dies from choking on their food again? People die. And yes, if 500 people die from some food allergy, then they should have been more careful about what they ate. And for the person who dies eating something that they didn't know they were allergic to, that's one of the breaks of life.

I would venture to say, that very, very few of us, maybe suicides, would have done what they were doing 3 seconds before they died...if they knew what they were doing was going to kill them in the next 3 seconds. But people still die! Huh, go figure.

So no, I'm not prepared to live my life in some specially difficult way, just that on the off chance maybe 1 in a million people that I meet, could die from something that I made them to eat. For you, obviously it would seem that the food allergies may be genetic. I would caution you, now that you know of all these allergies, that if you want to abide by them, then you should. But don't expect that the rest of us who are living pretty fine lives eating all that God created for us to eat, whether it has some preservative on it or not to bend over backwards and change our entire food chain because the 4 people in your family suffer food allergies. Some data I read is that the death rate from anaphylaxis shock is .03%. I can list off about 100 other ways to die that will beat that rate. So no, I'm not much worried about dying from food allergies, nor am I particularly concerned that I might serve someone food who might.

Could I die from some food related condition. Sure! And if I do, that'll be ok. I know I'm going to die somehow, unless Jesus returns first.
If there weren't many food allergies, why do they have the "top eight" food allergens that are to be reported on food labels? (Dairy, eggs, fish, fluten, peanuts, shellfish, soy, and tree nuts)?
Whoa, whoa! I think we need a defining of terms here. The word that we both have been using is 'most'. That doesn't mean the same thing as 'many'. We do agree on that, right? Listen, yes, the FDA does sometimes get information that a lot of people seem to have some allergy or another and so for those things, label requirements are made. But that's because there are many people concerned and not most. Further, after rereading this sentence, you've now gone from 'most' people suffer such allergies to 'there are many kinds of food allergies'. Yea, there are.

God bless,
Ted
 
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Hi WIP

Absolutely, I agree that as a society, we do depend on prepared frozen foods a lot. The microwave oven has made that the most popular choice these days. However, I have no problem with quality frozen dinner entrees so far as any added preservatives or other processing chemicals the people might say are in them. Frozen dinners are great for all the latchkey children that we've been raising for the last 50 years.

God bless,
Ted
 
Hi WIP

Actually, I think the worst problem with frozen foods is the amount of salt and fat that are used in processing such foods. They make the foods more tasteful to us, but that also means that we want to over eat. Processed foods do have an effect on our weight health, which also then affects many other health issues. So my only caution with them is to watch your portion and calorie size.

My granddaughter and I have been working on dieting/eating changes. She's pretty much given up, but I've become more aware of portion sizes. I used to fill my morning bowl of cereal to the top with about a cup or more of milk poured all the way that it covers all the cereal. I always enjoyed sipping up the last of the milk. Then when I started watching my weight and trying to bring it down (now 30 pounds) I read that the 280 calories in my cereal was for 1 cup with 1/4 cup milk. Ruh-roh. I bought smaller bowls. LOL!

But yeah, I'm not averse to taking out a simple 8-10oz frozen prepared meal and cooking it up, I prefer using the oven, and having my dinner. I find it fascinating these seemingly plastic trays that you can put in the oven. But that's rare for me. Most times I fix up a meal with a meat, starch, veg.

God bless,
Ted
 
I keep posting that the government should further regulate the food industry. And no one has an opinion?

Some things require government regulation in a big way. The alternative is to keep pushing individual citizens to somehow know everything about their food and bans together to change market dynamics to effect change.
 
I keep posting that the government should further regulate the food industry. And no one has an opinion?
I suggest you check and see if the regulations already in place are being enforced . You know how it goes , more bureaucrats then more bureaucracy begats more campaign contributions 💰 . Maybe I am cynical. :gavel
 
I keep posting that the government should further regulate the food industry. And no one has an opinion?

Some things require government regulation in a big way. The alternative is to keep pushing individual citizens to somehow know everything about their food and bans together to change market dynamics to effect change.
More government control, at least at the get go, sounds like a good thing but honestly, do you actually believe government does a good job? I certainly don't and for that reason I hesitate to allow government any more control than absolutely necessary.
 
I kind of see your point but it seems other countries regulate the food industry more than the USA and they still have snacks frozen meals restaurants etc. so I dunno 🤷‍♂️
 
I kind of see your point but it seems other countries regulate the food industry more than the USA and they still have snacks frozen meals restaurants etc. so I dunno 🤷‍♂️
Can you provide details about how they do it? Seems to me that the FDA is notoriously known for restricting things more than other countries. I don't know that for a fact except that I do know of people ordering their medications from Canada because the FDA has not yet approved them for us.
 
The uk and eu apparently don’t allow some preservatives and dyes that are ok ✅ in the USA. On the personal care side more chemicals found in things like deodorant and hair products are regulated or banned. It’s not that it’s all organic utopia it seems more like…the threshold for regulating or banning substances is lower.
 
The uk and eu apparently don’t allow some preservatives and dyes that are ok ✅ in the USA. On the personal care side more chemicals found in things like deodorant and hair products are regulated or banned. It’s not that it’s all organic utopia it seems more like…the threshold for regulating or banning substances is lower.
So basically we can conclude that different countries do things differently. Not necessarily that everyone else regulates things better.

I experienced similar differences in the electrical codes. Here in the US we primarily have the NFPA 70 or National Electrical Code. In Canada we worked with the CSA or Canadian Standards Act and in Europe we dealt primarily with the IEC or International Electrotechnical Commission but it is not standard in all European countries. So you see, each country approaches things in their own way.
 
The rules in the eu are more restrictive. My mama used this stuff to get rid of her gray hair,.,


Part of their advertising mentioned that it was a clean formula that was in line with eu chemical reactions.
 
Yes, and people have died driving cars and people have died walking down the sidewalk and people have died getting shot and people have died falling down and people have died getting old. Newsflash!!! People die! Now, I'm not saying that we should just be offing everyone we don't like because, well, hey, people die. They were going to die anyway. But, there is a phenomenon that happens in this life where people die doing all sorts of things. What they eat is just another of those myriad ways.
It's true that people die from various things, but if it could've been prevented - it becomes a tragedy. There are times when it could've been totally prevented. There's no excuse to let deaths happen if there was a 100% chance it didn't have to and no, I don't believe some people would've died anyway if a different choice had been made in all cases. That doesn't always mean it's someone's fault because we don't always know what the choices we make lead up to.

What if that one kid stayed where their parents told them to instead of start walking home because the parent was late and got hit by a car. Would it have still happened? Would that baby have drowned at the bottom of the pool had the parents been following around that child the entire time - would it still have happened? Some things I do believe were avoidable, but happened, because the individuals involved never dreamed of what the end result may have been.

Out of all the people in the world you're talking to, I'm not shocked that people die. I've experienced enough grief and loss in my life. I'm well aware.

So, it's basically, "Why label stuff?! People die anyway!" I can't imagine how parents that had children die of food allergies must feel about that.
Some people die because food gets caught in their throat and within moments are dead if no one can dislodge the blockage. Do we now have to start cutting all foods into small 1/8" size pieces so nobody ever dies from choking on their food again? People die. And yes, if 500 people die from some food allergy, then they should have been more careful about what they ate. And for the person who dies eating something that they didn't know they were allergic to, that's one of the breaks of life.
You're comparing not labeling food ingredients to people choking on food? Apples to oranges. Choking can be a result of many things - not chewing enough, disorders that make swallowing difficult, or inflamed throat/tonsils that make food hard to get down and easy to choke on, etc. This doesn't mean we all have to cut food into small pieces, but it is wise to for those that are choking prone.

And yes, if 500 people die from some food allergy, then they should have been more careful about what they ate. And for the person who dies eating something that they didn't know they were allergic to, that's one of the breaks of life.

That statement right there hits all the wrong points. "Oh, they should've been more careful." I get it, not many people get what cross-contamination means or even is. Cross-contamination is generally third party caused.

Did you know people with severe allergies don't even have to eat a food they are allergic to to die from it?

All it takes is that one co-worker eating the food you are allergic to nearby. All it takes is that one person eating the food that bothers you and then shaking your hand and you didn't even know what they ate before you met up. All it takes is one hug from a person that ate something you couldn't have. All it takes is that one person giving your child a candy or a snack they can't have without asking mom and dad first.

"Watch what you eat." Really? You think that's how allergy deaths happen?

Most people with severe food allergies are so afraid of those foods that they avoid them at all costs. Who wants a sharp epi-pen needle stabbed into their leg the second they have symptoms? Yeah, no one. Who wants an emergency tracheotomy because they literally can't breathe? Yeah, no one. Many older kids and adults are that are well aware of their allergens will avoid them as best as they can, but other people may unknowingly make them ill.

Also, food companies not giving all the actual ingredients. It's a rough thing when your food allergies aren't among the top allergens they have to list because they can be hidden in everything. It's not all that fair to eat something and then be sick the rest of the day and have to miss out because of some dumb food allergy. That kind of thing can be prevented.

For you, obviously it would seem that the food allergies may be genetic. I would caution you, now that you know of all these allergies, that if you want to abide by them, then you should. But don't expect that the rest of us who are living pretty fine lives eating all that God created for us to eat, whether it has some preservative on it or not to bend over backwards and change our entire food chain because the 4 people in your family suffer food allergies. Some data I read is that the death rate from anaphylaxis shock is .03%. I can list off about 100 other ways to die that will beat that rate. So no, I'm not much worried about dying from food allergies, nor am I particularly concerned that I might serve someone food who might.
Most food allergies are not genetic. The one that they've nailed down a bit better over the years that could have a genetic component is issues with gluten/wheat. Other times, it's gut damage/leaky gut. Probably from all the wheat I had that didn't know bothered me as a kid, plus mold exposure, plus other chronic illness, etc. etc. of course giving birth to kids when you have a leaky gut, whether you know it or not, you're passing on that microbiome that you have. If it's not a good one, the kids aren't going to inherit a good one more than likely. I don't think the other things are necessarily genetic.

There's other stuff, too, like what about all those neurotoxic pesticides on our foods? Some people are sensitive to those ingredients, whether they realize it or not.

I'm not asking for everyone to change the entire food chain for those in my family. I'm only hoping that one days all companies will tell the truth of the ingredients in their products. No more being cowardly and hiding behind "artificial and natural flavors" or 50+ different names for one ingredient. Changing the whole food chain would implying that I'm forcing people the way I eat. Labeling ingredients correctly and transparently is far from forcing people to eat my diet. I don't do that and it's kind of sickening you're implying that we're that way.


Even if the death rate from anaphylaxis itself is rather low - that doesn't account for the people that have suffered and survived. It's a traumatic experience when surviving something like that as well.

Oh, I can tell you're not worried about dying from a food allergy or by someone else from the food you serve them by the way you're typing...kind of sad that you aren't concerned about killing someone that does have a food allergy.

I'm curious, though. How would you deal if you had a child, or someone in your household that was allergic to a food? Would you avoid it or pretend that their allergy didn't exist because that's inconvenient for you? What if someone was coming over that couldn't have a list of things? You gonna throw in the towel and say they're not invited or make what you want without regard for how they would feel?

It's kind of crazy how many people get on the, "Your food allergy is an inconvenience to me so I'm going to eat what I want around you because it's not my problem," wagon. Maybe it doesn't hit home until you're actually kicked out of your living space because of a food allergy. That's an awful thing to have happen, but it happens to people with food allergies way too much that have dorm or roommate situations and they'd rather you be homeless than deal with your food allergy.

Whoa, whoa! I think we need a defining of terms here. The word that we both have been using is 'most'. That doesn't mean the same thing as 'many'. We do agree on that, right? Listen, yes, the FDA does sometimes get information that a lot of people seem to have some allergy or another and so for those things, label requirements are made. But that's because there are many people concerned and not most. Further, after rereading this sentence, you've now gone from 'most' people suffer such allergies to 'there are many kinds of food allergies'. Yea, there are.

I don't believe I was wrong in what I typed. There are "many" different people with food allergies and "most" people out there suffer with some type of food allergy or sensitivity. There are also "many" types of food allergies.
 
There are some matters to think about in foods. My understanding is everyone one of us now and again swallow spiders when we sleep if they come too close to that dangerous opening where the air is going in and out. No one has developed and sold "spider catchers" to wear over the mouth when sleeping. I learned back in the 70s that a small amount of incest material can be in food that is sold because it is impossible to have food that is bug free. It is probably not possible to have food from your own garden completely bug free unless one devotes a lot of time to making sure no mite (very small) is there in between the leaves.

John the Baptist actually ate bugs. Paul wrote not to make a fuss over what food is set in front of you and not to ask questions about it. And that is the point. How much should we care for the body we are given as the temple of the Holy Spirit and how much should we realize that food is not to be the focus of our lives, Jesus is. My personal opinion of Vegan is it is a subtle worship of food or Mother Earth. It makes the person place way too much emphasis on food and gives them reason to make other's lives difficult (power) as they are not grateful for having food but insist on special food. It is a type of power over others and gives what they eat too much of their devotion. This is similar to foods we buy in the store.
 
Hi Luminous_Rose
What if that one kid stayed where their parents told them to instead of start walking home because the parent was late and got hit by a car.
Seriously! We can play the what if game for eternity and nobody ever dies. What if my father had stayed on bed rest instead of going out to try and finish a landscaping project that brought about his second and fatal stroke? But my father was living his life the way he wanted to live it and not concerning himself with all the possibilities for death that surround each of us every day.
If people all actually got tested for allergens for hundreds of allergens (achievable these days by testing hair with an in-tact root). They would find there is probably something that bothers them somewhere because all of our immune systems are different.
I really can't understand 'why' people would generally want to do that, but I am aware that there is a certain segment of society that feels they need to know such things. And for them, there are the tests that you speak of.
I mean, I'd like to know what goes into my body when I eat that companies aren't telling us. Wouldn't you?
I mean, sure, if it's something questionable, but no, unlike you, I pretty much trust when the government agency that is responsible for testing and approving food additives says that something is safe, then I take it as safe. I really don't worry myself that they found by feeding lab rats a 24 hour 7 day a week diet of the equivalent of 6 gallons of some aspartame infused drink or food, that it caused cancerous growths. I don't plan on eating or drinking that much. I also have a sure trust in God that He created my body to flush out such impurities as I may eat on occasion in my diet. No! I don't worry, beyond what I've previously said about calories and serving size over the chemicals or other additives that are in regularly available produced products.
Most people with severe food allergies are so afraid of those foods that they avoid them at all costs. Who wants a sharp epi-pen needle stabbed into their leg the second they have symptoms?
Right! And for those people, they need to be careful about the foods around them. I'm sorry, but I don't agree with your position that because of a few with severe, and let's separate out the 'severe allergic reaction' folks from the 'Oh, I just don't like to eat animal protein' folks around us, that all of us need to put on special blinders so that we don't ever eat something that might cause someone else some medical reaction. Sorry, but I don't find that God imposes such restrictions on His children. I just don't see anything in the Scriptures that would make such an attitude a sin. But no, generally I don't give a moments thought from day to day, week to week or year to year about certain additives that might be in the foods I pick up at the grocery store. I just eat and enjoy as a food source and, of course, try to stay within allowable quantity limits to maintain my weight loss. Other than that, I'm pretty much all good with just about any package of food that comes from food retailers.
I'm not asking for everyone to change the entire food chain for those in my family. I'm only hoping that one days all companies will tell the truth of the ingredients in their products. No more being cowardly and hiding behind "artificial and natural flavors" or 50+ different names for one ingredient.
Well, I'd honestly want to know why you think that it's some 'cowardly' effort being made by food producers to keep you from knowing what's in their food products? Really!?:!?!?! You believe that because some ingredient, and honestly could you give me an example, isn't listed on a food label that it's because the company is 'cowardly'? I don't know, I read that and think, "Wow! Another use of inflammatory words to evoke some expected reaction."

God bless,
Ted
 
Hi Luminous_Rose
You're comparing not labeling food ingredients to people choking on food? Apples to oranges. Choking can be a result of many things - not chewing enough, disorders that make swallowing difficult, or inflamed throat/tonsils that make food hard to get down and easy to choke on, etc. This doesn't mean we all have to cut food into small pieces, but it is wise to for those that are choking prone.
You got it!!! 'but it is wise to (do) for those that are choking prone'. I don't understand, why do you hold the responsibility for cutting food into small pieces only for those who are prone to choking on their food. Yet, because some are prone to food allergies, we all have to make some sacrifice in the foods we eat? Why the double standard in this?

God bless,
Ted
 
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