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I think there is truth to both. I think the GOP started down this path back in the 90's with Newt. By the time Obama was elected, the outraged right presented themselves as a tea party. Trump was the direct result of the USA electing a black man to serve as President for two full terms. Before many might have held their tongue or fumed in private, but Tump took it to another level, and made it acceptable for others to act in like manner. If Obama hand't been elected as President in 2008, I suspect Americans would have never voted for Trump in 2016; but he was their anti Obama hero, chorus leader of the birtherism crap.
Very well put. Throughout US history, every civil rights gain has been followed by a conservative backlash. We're certainly in the midst of one now.

Uncle J, I have read your other posts where you have mentioned the strained friendships when it comes to the political climate. I have a friend who is the same way, just can't seem to discuss even the simplest of political issue anymore without him becoming agitated and angry, and can tell you, his attitude began changing after Obama was elected, it got much worse after Trump was elected. It's nearly impossible when they think the election was stolen.
Exactly! No matter what I do to try and maintain the friendship (avoid politics completely, ignore the hate and anger, stay positive and change the subject) it doesn't work. It's become an obsession and I'm starting to resign myself to the conclusion that there's nothing I can do about it. I'm watching some of my friends slide into a dark place of anger and hate, and seeing seriously affect their lives in so many ways....and I'm helpless to stop it.

I'm now to the point where I mostly avoid them, which I fear will eventually cause us to drift away from each other and I'll have lost what were some good friends. And it's not just me who sees this. Others in our friends group are just as dismayed as I am.
 

Proud Boys leader Ethan Nordean gets 18 years in prison, tying for longest sentence in Jan. 6 insurrection


WASHINGTON (AP) — A one-time leader in the Proud Boys far-right extremist group has been sentenced to 18 years in prison for his role in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol, tying the record for the longest sentence in the attack.

Ethan Nordean was “the undisputed leader on the ground on Jan 6,” said prosecutor Jason McCullough. Prosecutors had asked the judge to sentence the Seattle-area chapter president to 27 years.

Nordean was one of several members convicted of spearheading an attack on the Capitol to try to prevent the peaceful transfer of power from Donald Trump to Joe Biden after the 2020 presidential election. He was convicted of seditious conspiracy and other serious charges.
 

Proud Boys’ Enrique Tarrio gets record 22 years in prison for Jan. 6 seditious conspiracy


WASHINGTON (AP) — Former Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio was sentenced Tuesday to 22 years in prison for orchestrating his far-right extremist group’s attack on the U.S. Capitol in a failed bid to stop the transfer of presidential power after Donald Trump lost the 2020 election.

Tarrio’s sentence is the longest so far among more than 1,100 Capitol riot cases, topping the 18-year sentences that Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes and one-time Proud Boys leader Ethan Nordean each received after juries convicted them of seditious conspiracy and other charges.
 

Proud Boys’ Enrique Tarrio gets record 22 years in prison for Jan. 6 seditious conspiracy


WASHINGTON (AP) — Former Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio was sentenced Tuesday to 22 years in prison for orchestrating his far-right extremist group’s attack on the U.S. Capitol in a failed bid to stop the transfer of presidential power after Donald Trump lost the 2020 election.

Tarrio’s sentence is the longest so far among more than 1,100 Capitol riot cases, topping the 18-year sentences that Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes and one-time Proud Boys leader Ethan Nordean each received after juries convicted them of seditious conspiracy and other charges.
Yes, and just think, they're all counting on Grump being elected and pardoning them. Rut Ro. As Scooby would say.

God bless,
Ted
 
Yes, and just think, they're all counting on Grump being elected and pardoning them. Rut Ro. As Scooby would say.

God bless,
Ted
I wonder if Trump will say that publicly...as in actually campaign on "If elected, I will pardon everyone associated with Jan 6"? Doesn't seem like a smart move for a national election.
 

Its sad people rejoice at the misfortune of others, certainly not a Christian response.

44 "But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,
45 "that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 "For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? (Matt. 5:44-46 NKJ)

When I was radical left, we protested against Government suppression of political speech, even speech we didn't agree with. But those folks are long gone.

17 Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, And do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles;
18 Lest the LORD see it, and it displease Him, And He turn away His wrath from him. (Prov. 24:17-18 NKJ)
 
I wonder if Trump will say that publicly...as in actually campaign on "If elected, I will pardon everyone associated with Jan 6"? Doesn't seem like a smart move for a national election.
Google it. I believe he has said something to that effect . I would if I were him. I'd also make the Government compensate them for everything they lost, and time served in jail. I'd make them rich.
 
Says the guy who posts about disparaging trans people, democrats, "the left", anyone who disagrees with Trump, etc.
There is a difference in hating people (which I don't, I love you in Christ) and antichrist logic. The denial of history, biological reality, common sense etc in the leftist "cult" is antichrist. The forerunner of antichrist. It is the means by which Antichrist can cause the "great falling away" in the church:

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. (2 Thess. 2:3-4 NKJ)

The Antichrist will be "beloved" by Leftists, he will embrace wokeism, inclusion, declare "sin" "holiness", darkness light. He is so sinful, embraces sin so completely, he is call the "man of sin" because he "springs" from it.

And he will accomplish this with leftist logic, redefining language as they did with "marriage" etc..

I hate to see it capture the minds of people so they no longer see the difference between light and darkness. Under the guise of "equity", all sorts of theft and discrimination are seen as "good." And Christians become the bigots, the "haters", if they don't loudly adopt the leftist woke agenda.

When the Antichrist completes the apostasy, Christians will be slain by their former Christians. This is not written about secular people, the people saying the following are Antichrists, Christians who have converted to the darkside:


NKJ 2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.
2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed.
3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber. (2 Pet. 2:1-3 NKJ)


"They willfully forget" meaning they now reject Bible Truth. These are former Christians:

NKJ 2 Peter 3:1 Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder),
2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior,
3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts,
4 and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation."
5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water,
6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. (2 Pet. 3:1-6 NKJ)

They have become leftist haters of anyone who still follows the bible. Today they just hate, then when the Supreme Leftist appears, they will murder us will glee. Happy to rid the earth of anyone who stands in the way of "liberation", who dares deny men are women and vice versa. Or who calls socialism theft etc.
 
Says the guy who posts about disparaging trans people, democrats, "the left", anyone who disagrees with Trump, etc.
Antichrists are former Christians who now deny bible and are unfaithful to "that which you heard from the beginning"

18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things.
21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
24 Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.
(1 Jn. 2:18-24 NKJ)

When John saw this happen in his day, he was so reminded of what will happen in the end time he declares the event "the last hour." That's how we know what the Antichrist will be, just study what happened in John's church.
 
Jesus come to divide not bring peace and that is not hate, its just the world will grow in its wickedness the more it rejects Christ and goes into its own self destruction.

If you have the Spirit of God there is always a force that will be against you and this world aint going to be an enjoyable experience and Christ will test you. There is no such thing as im a Christian so im safe in this world.

What is happening is Gods will.
 
Alfred Persson That was a lot of mental hoops to jump through to justify your rants and distate for the "left" , Democrats, and LGBT people. Projecting motives onto us then call8ng us antichrists.
 
Starting a thread to keep track of all the cases related to the "Big Lie" of the 2020 election.

Today, we have....

Judge holds Giuliani liable in Georgia election workers’ defamation case and orders him to pay fees

"WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal judge on Wednesday held Rudy Giuliani liable in a defamation lawsuit brought by two Georgia election workers who say they were falsely accused of fraud, entering a default judgment against the former New York City mayor and ordering him to pay tens of thousands of dollars in lawyers’ fees."

Next, the case goes before a jury to determine how much money he has to pay the two workers he defamed.

The Big Lie is the 2020 was secure!


5 States all simultaneously stopped election count until further notice as Joe Biden was hundreds of thousands of votes behind.


Then the next morning all 5 States reported that during the night, (when the election counting had ceased) Joe Biden was ahead and won all five states!!!


You would have to be the most gullible blind idiot in the world, or a Democrat to believe that BIG LIE.


What a joke!
 
The Big Lie is the 2020 was secure!


5 States all simultaneously stopped election count until further notice as Joe Biden was hundreds of thousands of votes behind.

They stopped for the night. People need sleep.
Then the next morning all 5 States reported that during the night, (when the election counting had ceased) Joe Biden was ahead and won all five states!!!
Yes, and its easy to explain why. Several states changed how mail in ballets were counted. The change was that these would be counted or added to the totals last. Its why Trump tried to stop the count himself at Midnight. He was trying to steal the election, thankfully Pence assured that no the count was not going to stop. What is hillarious is that the Monday before the election many progressive commentators pointed out that it was rumored Trump was going to pull that.

You would have to be the most gullible blind idiot in the world, or a Democrat to believe that BIG LIE.


What a joke!
Or, you are a Trump supporter that issolated themselves from outside information so all you have is sicophants feeding you what you want to hear. That way you can't understand anyone who disagrees with you.
 
Alfred Persson That was a lot of mental hoops to jump through to justify your rants and distate for the "left" , Democrats, and LGBT people. Projecting motives onto us then call8ng us antichrists.
I didn't personalize it, I called leftist cultism antichrist because it subverts historic Bible truth.

18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things.
21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
24 Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.
(1 Jn. 2:18-24 NKJ)

John's focus is on Antichrist denial Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. But Antichrist teaching does much more than that, its denial of what "you heard from the beginning." What was heard in the beginning?

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Cor. 6:9-10 NKJ)

What does the left teach? They "do not teach what was heard in the beginning," they subvert it. The preposition "Anti" in Greek can mean "instead of", no just "against." The Antichrist will substitute the traditional teachings on sex, with leftist ideas.

And they do it under the guise of Christian love and charity, "equity, fairness". Its darkness replacing light.

Its "antichrist."
 
Alfred Persson That was a lot of mental hoops to jump through to justify your rants and distate for the "left" , Democrats, and LGBT people. Projecting motives onto us then call8ng us antichrists.
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The Big Lie is the 2020 was secure!


5 States all simultaneously stopped election count until further notice as Joe Biden was hundreds of thousands of votes behind.


Then the next morning all 5 States reported that during the night, (when the election counting had ceased) Joe Biden was ahead and won all five states!!!


You would have to be the most gullible blind idiot in the world, or a Democrat to believe that BIG LIE.


What a joke!
We've been over this and like all other election conspiracy theorists, you left when challenged to answer a few simple questions.

If it was so obvious that the election was rigged/stolen, why weren't any of Trump's lawyers able to prove in court, including courts presided over by Trump-appointed judges?

And before you trot out the "they refused to even look at the evidence" trope, you need to cite a specific court filing where Trump's lawyers made claims of fraud, provided evidence for those claims, but the court refused to examine it.

Also, why did one of the main lawyers, Sidney Powell, say in a court document that "No reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact”?
 
I didn't personalize it, I called leftist cultism antichrist because it subverts historic Bible truth.
I never said hate, I said disparage. You are projecting this "cult" onto people who disagree with you and claiming its antichrist. Its just a stand in and thought ending cliche to avoid the discussions with people that disagree with you.

This is one of the main reasons I stopped supporting a local youth group a few years ago. The youth pastor running it molded the political views of the youths and created a narrative against anything that ran counter to that said narrative.

Your house isn't leaking because you need new shingles, its the vile liberal leftists doing witch craft at you. Then a deluge of bible verse.

There is no "leftist cult" there are people with varying disagreements with you.
 

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