Bible Study Holy Spirit

[Karl]

Bill, I won't argue with you, but the preponderance of proof in the Scriptures reveals many instances of people that have resisted God, ...in your life, just as in mine before we received the Lord we resisted the prompting of the Holy Spirit in our consciences for many years, because (and I don't want to debate this subject, but you should know and agree) we were/are a part of the Elect, chosen before the foundation of the world in Jesus Christ.

To deny we can resist the Holy Spirit is to remove the first step of the downward path of apostasy, to deny this is to reject Stephan's preaching to the Sanhedrin Acts 7:51. Apostasy, which Paul so clearly warns and teaches on, is evident today in the church all around us and it starts with resisting the Word of God, which in turns grieves the Holy Spirit and eventually leads to the quenching, or quieting, or better stated, no longer hearing His voice and the end result of that is seduction, that person is deceived, which is what our Lord so clearly warned us of in these last times. Matt 24:4

Blessings

 

[th1b.taylor]

Bill, I won't argue with you, but the preponderance of proof in the Scriptures reveals many instances of people that have resisted God, ...in your life, just as in mine before we received the Lord we resisted the prompting of the Holy Spirit in our consciences for many years, because (and I don't want to debate this subject, but you should know and agree) we were/are a part of the Elect, chosen before the foundation of the world in Jesus Christ.

To deny we can resist the Holy Spirit is to remove the first step of the downward path of apostasy, to deny this is to reject Stephan's preaching to the Sanhedrin Acts 7:51. Apostasy, which Paul so clearly warns and teaches on, is evident today in the church all around us and it starts with resisting the Word of God, which in turns grieves the Holy Spirit and eventually leads to the quenching, or quieting, or better stated, no longer hearing His voice and the end result of that is seduction, that person is deceived, which is what our Lord so clearly warned us of in these last times. Matt 24:4

Blessings

Karl,
What you just did is what's wrong. I never said nor did I set out to prove that you are wrong, you are now saying I did, by inference, but I didn't. Because you have bowed your back and set your feet in this manor it is reasonable for my first assumptions of your demeanor are correct. And you have completely over looked what I asked of you. I did not seek to debate nor to argue with you. I agreed with you but I also explained for any children and other unlearned that your statement on the surface is correct but there needs depth to be added before this statement might be misused to the point of becoming a lie... an easy thing to do with this statement.

The long and the short of it is that you, I and all others resist God only as far as he allows and not one inch, second nor instance that He is willing to allow. God is still irresistible except He allows it.

 

[Karl]

Bill, with all respect, I understand what is the difference between the Perfect Will and the Permissive Will of God, I've been kicked out of churches because i believed in both, but that has nothing to do with the fact that many can, ...we have resisted God, ...wide is the road to destruction Matt 7:13, thanks be to God for His grace in our lives that when the Divine fiat of "Let there be Light" shone in our darken world we responded to the Faith He had planted in us.

The long and the short of it is that you, I and all others resist God only as far as he allows and not one inch, second nor instance that He is willing to allow. God is still irresistible except He allows it.

Do you realize what you are saying? The long and the short of it is our Lord tells us Hell is full and over flowing (a euphemism) with those that have resisted God. If we were to follow your thinking to it's conclusion then there would be people in Heaven against their will, that's rape, spiritual rape, that makes our Heavenly Father a rapist, ...are you sure you want to continue to think this way?

Blessings

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

can you elaborate on that please. not sure what you mean by modalism?

Modalism, also called Sabellianism, is the unorthodox belief that God is one person who has revealed himself in three forms or modes in contrast to the Trinitarian doctrine where God is one being eternally existing in three persons. According to Modalism, during the incarnation, Jesus was simply God acting in one mode or role, and the Holy Spirit at Pentecost was God acting in a different mode. Thus, God does not exist as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at the same time. Rather, He is one person and has merely manifested himself in these three modes at various times. Modalism thus denies the basic distinctiveness and coexistence of the three persons of the Trinity.

Modalism was condemned by Tertullian (c. 213, Tertullian Against Praxeas 1, in Ante Nicene Fathers, vol. 3). Also known as Sabellianism, it was condemned as heresy by Dionysius, bishop of Rome (c. 262).

Modalism is probably the most common theological error concerning the nature of God (i.e., who God is). "Present day groups that hold to forms of this error are the United Pentecostal and United Apostolic Churches. They deny the Trinity, teach that the name of God is Jesus... modalist churches often accuse Trinitarians of teaching three gods. This is not what the Trinity is. The correct teaching of the Trinity is one God in three eternal coexistent persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit." [1]

 

[for_his_glory]

Bill, with all respect, I understand what is the difference between the Perfect Will and the Permissive Will of God, I've been kicked out of churches because i believed in both, but that has nothing to do with the fact that many can, ...we have resisted God, ...wide is the road to destruction Matt 7:13, thanks be to God for His grace in our lives that when the Divine fiat of "Let there be Light" shone in our darken world we responded to the Faith He had planted in us.



Do you realize what you are saying? The long and the short of it is our Lord tells us Hell is full and over flowing (a euphemism) with those that have resisted God. If we were to follow your thinking to it's conclusion then there would be people in Heaven against their will, that's rape, spiritual rape, that makes our Heavenly Father a rapist, ...are you sure you want to continue to think this way?

Blessings

Karl, I feel the need to step in here just to let you know Bill agrees with the scripture you posted in #14 and was only asking that you elaborate more on what you meant by he can be resisted. Posting just one scripture at times without an explanation of it can lead others, especially those who lack understanding yet, into confusion of what one is trying to bring across. Let us not attack each other, but stay in Gods will of love as we share with each other.

 

[for_his_glory]

Modalism, also called Sabellianism, is the unorthodox belief that God is one person who has revealed himself in three forms or modes in contrast to the Trinitarian doctrine where God is one being eternally existing in three persons. According to Modalism, during the incarnation, Jesus was simply God acting in one mode or role, and the Holy Spirit at Pentecost was God acting in a different mode. Thus, God does not exist as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at the same time. Rather, He is one person and has merely manifested himself in these three modes at various times. Modalism thus denies the basic distinctiveness and coexistence of the three persons of the Trinity.

Modalism was condemned by Tertullian (c. 213, Tertullian Against Praxeas 1, in Ante Nicene Fathers, vol. 3). Also known as Sabellianism, it was condemned as heresy by Dionysius, bishop of Rome (c. 262).

Modalism is probably the most common theological error concerning the nature of God (i.e., who God is). "Present day groups that hold to forms of this error are the United Pentecostal and United Apostolic Churches. They deny the Trinity, teach that the name of God is Jesus... modalist churches often accuse Trinitarians of teaching three gods. This is not what the Trinity is. The correct teaching of the Trinity is one God in three eternal coexistent persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit." [1]

Trinity is Father, son (Jesus) and Holy Spirit. What I was trying to bring across that all three are Gods Spirit working through Christ as the word made flesh and through the Holy Spirit that teaches us all things God wants revealed to us. When I said all three can not be separate I was saying all three are of Gods Spirit, but given to us in three individual ways. Father, son and Holy Spirit as each has a season and Gods timing for the purpose of His ministry.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Bill, with all respect, I understand what is the difference between the Perfect Will and the Permissive Will of God, I've been kicked out of churches because i believed in both, but that has nothing to do with the fact that many can, ...we have resisted God, ...wide is the road to destruction Matt 7:13, thanks be to God for His grace in our lives that when the Divine fiat of "Let there be Light" shone in our darken world we responded to the Faith He had planted in us.



Do you realize what you are saying? The long and the short of it is our Lord tells us Hell is full and over flowing (a euphemism) with those that have resisted God. If we were to follow your thinking to it's conclusion then there would be people in Heaven against their will, that's rape, spiritual rape, that makes our Heavenly Father a rapist, ...are you sure you want to continue to think this way?

Blessings

Karl,
Your position is founded on human logic, not scripture and we can never go there for God's ways are not the way of men. And the, existing and explained, balance of His Perfect and Permissive Will is absolutely essential in light of your original post. I can be proven wrong here but I get the feeling that you are either are not open to further study or possibly you just have never taught before this to any great extent. Many are they that are offended when i suggest that publishing a message to the Internet makes them a teacher for no less than the time it takes for that message to permanently disappear. And though most do not believe it, a posted message hit 3 or and usually more servers where it resides for eternity.

Your logic fails, rather sharply when you consider the second paragraph of your post. I was careful to do what I prefer not to do when I suggested the study from the Nave's Topical Bible. I suggested the Nave's because a google search for "Naves" without the quotes will yield hundreds of results where it can be used, free of charge. My statement, though you incorrectly acuss me, is not founded on what I think. I understand that there are few that understand that the Bible is of one context, inspired by one Author but the truth is that it is. A solid (Biblically) rule of Hermeneutics is that no scripture, group of scriptures nor any composition of scripture can ever be fully understood without the light of all other scripture shinning on it/them. What I have illustrated for you had naught to do with the rape of anything until you, incorrectly, imposed the thought on this conversation. I do not know the construction used for you to arrive at your conclusion but it is certainly not biblical.

King Nebikanezer is a beautiful example of what I am guilty of trying to get you to see. Nebi resisted God for a time, just as long as God allowed it but look at his diet and living conditions when God called Time. Your argument, the one you began with refusing, is with God and not with Bill Taylor. Once more I ask you to do the study.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Trinity is Father, son (Jesus) and Holy Spirit. What I was trying to bring across that all three are Gods Spirit working through Christ as the word made flesh and through the Holy Spirit that teaches us all things God wants revealed to us. When I said all three can not be separate I was saying all three are of Gods Spirit, but given to us in three individual ways. Father, son and Holy Spirit as each has a season and Gods timing for the purpose of His ministry.

1. God is three persons.
2. Each person is fully God.
3. There is one God.

Do you agree with this?

 

[Chopper]

Ok Bill and Karl, I love you both and I think you both have made your points. To go any further in this vain of thinking will only get worse and there will be words that should not be uttered by Christians. I'm asking that you both cease this style of debate.

 

[Malachi]

The Spirit of God was made flesh (Jesus) to walk among us teaching us and showing signs and wonders for the people to repent of their evil ways and come back to God.

Many good thoughts have been presented, but the above statement needs some further clarification. Even though the Holy Spirit is called "the Spirit of Christ" in Scripture (1 Peter 1:11) we should always bear in mind that the Holy Spirit is distinct from God the Word (1 John 5:7) and that it was the Word who was made flesh (John 1:14) and dwelt among us.

The Father, the Word (the Son), and the Holy Spirit are three Divine Persons within the Godhead, yet God is ONE GOD with one Divine Name (Matthew 28:19) invoked when believers are baptized. This is indeed a mystery, and it is called "the mystery of God" (Colossians 2:2; Revelation 10:7). The triune Godhead (the Holy Trinity) is beyond human comprehension and multitudes stumble at this doctrine.

Also, it is indeed possible to resist the Holy Spirit, and this is happening every day. There are many who are hearing the Gospel every day, but are refusing to believe it. That is resisting the Holy Spirit. That is why we read in both the Old and New Testaments "Today, if ye will hear His voice, harden not your hearts" (Hebrews 3:7,8; Psalm 95:7,8).

 

[for_his_glory]

1. God is three persons.
2. Each person is fully God.
3. There is one God.

Do you agree with this?

Sorry Rollo, been somewhat distracted from here. Yes I agree and I have said this all along. I guess I have a problem with the person thing as I see the word person to be flesh and blood, but guess you can also take it as the personification of Gods Spirit in three ways.

 

[for_his_glory]

Many good thoughts have been presented, but the above statement needs some further clarification. Even though the Holy Spirit is called "the Spirit of Christ" in Scripture (1 Peter 1:11) we should always bear in mind that the Holy Spirit is distinct from God the Word (1 John 5:7) and that it was the Word who was made flesh (John 1:14) and dwelt among us.

The Father, the Word (the Son), and the Holy Spirit are three Divine Persons within the Godhead, yet God is ONE GOD with one Divine Name (Matthew 28:19) invoked when believers are baptized. This is indeed a mystery, and it is called "the mystery of God" (Colossians 2:2; Revelation 10:7). The triune Godhead (the Holy Trinity) is beyond human comprehension and multitudes stumble at this doctrine.

Also, it is indeed possible to resist the Holy Spirit, and this is happening every day. There are many who are hearing the Gospel every day, but are refusing to believe it. That is resisting the Holy Spirit. That is why we read in both the Old and New Testaments "Today, if ye will hear His voice, harden not your hearts" (Hebrews 3:7,8; Psalm 95:7,8).

Oops, I should have said the word of God was made flesh, not the Spirit of God. Thank you for pointing that out.