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Homosexuality is a sin!

God is a God of love and Mercy. He is also a just God.

He demonstrated His love by sending His Son to die on the cross to pay the price for sin.

Those who reject the offer will perish.

The message is clear.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

God's love and God's wrath.
 
Solo said:
SputnikBoy said:
Don't you think by now, Free, that everyone is familiar with those same old texts? The thing is, and the point that I keep trying to make, is that no one who is genetically predisposed to a sexual attraction for the same gender is going to become 'straight' simply by reading them. How are they even supposed to?

Don't Christians have a bit more imagination than to keep regurgitating the same old line?
Why do Christians need an imagination concernning sin when they have God's Word?

By being imaginitive (the word I shoud have used) I meant for those participating in the thread to offer something more practical for the homosexual rather than regurgitating the same biblical texts that only condemn. BB, and you too, Solo, has no idea what he's talking about on the issue of homosexuality. NO idea whatever. Yet you both come across as if you're some authority on the topic.

Do either of you REALLY realize that you're only adding an extra burden to those who might not like themselves too much to begin with? Do either of you realize that you are NOT going to make someone 'straight' as a result of your preaching the same old line? Do you both realize how ignorant you both are - YES, ignorant! - in regard to the topic of human genetics?

Step outside your own comfort zones and BE imaginitive ...offer something that may be of benefit to a homosexual other than condemnation. Here are a few hints:

Tone down the hostility toward these fellow human beings. Try to understand that human beings are genetically complex ...EVEN if you don't know why. Try to walk in their shoes for a while. How would you feel if YOU felt predisposed sexually to someone of the same gender? How would you deal with it ...by reading scriptures that condemn you to hell? How would you feel if all professed Christians could come up with was to call you a 'pervert' and condemn you to hell for a predisposition that you were not responsible for? Get the idea as to HOW to be imaginitive?
 
Homosexuality is a sin and it is an abomination before God.

Rule 15: No promoting any sinful behavior (Homosexual behavior, Lying, stealing, murder....etc.) Galatians 5:19-21
This is a Christian forum, and we go by what the bible says. The Bible clearly states sexual relations between people of the same gender are an abomination unto God. Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27and Jude 1:7-8
If you have a problem with that you need to take it up with God.
While on this site show respect for God and our savior Jesus Christ.

Knowing what the bible says and what the TOS in this Christian forum should be enough to either drop this issue or go to a forum where this type of sin is promoted or tolerated.

I have no hostility at all towards homosexuals. I want them to be saved.



People are free to call me "unloving" "arrogant" and a "hypocrite" but there are rules here and homosexuality is a sin according to the bible and according to the rules.

That is the way it is.

I didn't quote the TOS to hit you with the rule but to let you know that this is this forums stand on this issue.

Thanks for caring, :D

Robert
 
Lyric's Dad said:
bibleberean said:
The message is about hope but it also contains a warning.

Why do people come to a "Christian forum" if they don't want to hear the Christian message?

Why put themselves through all this?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Repentance and faith in Christ is the only hope for man.

Without Christ we would be "children of wrath".

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Maybe they are not sure which message they will get. Since there are so many different ones being preached. Hopefully they have done some real research into correct translations and seen that God truly is LOVE, not hate.

God is LOVE and he hates sin and those who refuse to repent.

1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: 2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; 3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; 5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; 6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; 7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace. 9 What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth? 10 I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.
Ecclesiastes 3:1-10

Not everything is to be loved or one will be serving evil:

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 1 Timothy 6:10

Christians are told not to love the world or the things that are in the world. If one loves the world, the love of God is not in him. Their is a difference between the love of God and the lust of the world.

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 2:15-17

Those that are loved of God will be rebuked and chastened by God. The love of God requires rebuke and chastisment instead of coddling the sin that some live in.

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Revelation 3:19

Christians should live with Jesus Christ as our example, and we should strive for righteous living and not after sinful lusts.

13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; 14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. 15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: 16 As free, and not using F8 your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. 17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king. 18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward. 19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. 20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. 21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls. 1 Peter 2:13-25

Jesus tells us that if a brother sins against us that we should rebuke him, and if he repents, we should forgive him. If a brother sins against God's truth, should we rebuke him?

Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. Luke 17:3

22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. 2 Timothy 2:22-26

Believers should flee from youthful lusts and follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. Believers are also instructed to instruct those that oppose themselves so that God will give them to turning acknowledging the truth so that they may recover themselves from the snare of the devil.

Paul gives Timothy excellent advice that we too can apply as the Word of God to our lives as we evangelize:

1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2 Timothy 4:2-4

It is important for believers to convert those that are in error:

19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; 20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

When Christian believers stand for righteousness and rebuke evil are they to be taken as enemies?

Galatians 4:16 - Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth?


PS How do your translations interpret the scriptures that I have referenced?
 
Solo said:
Lyric's Dad said:
bibleberean said:
The message is about hope but it also contains a warning.

Why do people come to a "Christian forum" if they don't want to hear the Christian message?

Why put themselves through all this?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Repentance and faith in Christ is the only hope for man.

Without Christ we would be "children of wrath".

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Maybe they are not sure which message they will get. Since there are so many different ones being preached. Hopefully they have done some real research into correct translations and seen that God truly is LOVE, not hate.

God is LOVE and he hates sin and those who refuse to repent.
One of the reasons I stopped going to a baptist church is the propensity to mince words like God is love/hate. I just cannot accept that. God is LOVE. Nothing less.
 
Solo said:
PS How do your translations interpret the scriptures that I have referenced?
Literally and without manmade prejudices inserted.
 
Lyric's Dad said:
Solo said:
[quote="Lyric's Dad":36bd5]
bibleberean said:
The message is about hope but it also contains a warning.

Why do people come to a "Christian forum" if they don't want to hear the Christian message?

Why put themselves through all this?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Repentance and faith in Christ is the only hope for man.

Without Christ we would be "children of wrath".

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Maybe they are not sure which message they will get. Since there are so many different ones being preached. Hopefully they have done some real research into correct translations and seen that God truly is LOVE, not hate.

God is LOVE and he hates sin and those who refuse to repent.
One of the reasons I stopped going to a baptist church is the propensity to mince words like God is love/hate. I just cannot accept that. God is LOVE. Nothing less.[/quote:36bd5]

Well stop mincing words like God is only LOVE and fits nicely into the box that you have created, and go back to that Bible believing Baptist church. They would love to have you back.
 
Lyric's Dad said:
Solo said:
PS How do your translations interpret the scriptures that I have referenced?
Literally and without manmade prejudices inserted.
I have given you verses to survey. Perhaps you could explain them to what they mean to you. That would be a lot better than just ignoring them.
 
Some people don't seem to undersand what love is...

Do we tear out the verses where God executes wrath and judgement?

Not me. I am leaving my bible in tact.

Hebrews 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
 
Solo said:
Lyric's Dad said:
Solo said:
[quote="Lyric's Dad":28813]
bibleberean said:
The message is about hope but it also contains a warning.

Why do people come to a "Christian forum" if they don't want to hear the Christian message?

Why put themselves through all this?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Repentance and faith in Christ is the only hope for man.

Without Christ we would be "children of wrath".

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Maybe they are not sure which message they will get. Since there are so many different ones being preached. Hopefully they have done some real research into correct translations and seen that God truly is LOVE, not hate.

God is LOVE and he hates sin and those who refuse to repent.
One of the reasons I stopped going to a baptist church is the propensity to mince words like God is love/hate. I just cannot accept that. God is LOVE. Nothing less.

Well stop mincing words like God is only LOVE and fits nicely into the box that you have created, and go back to that Bible believing Baptist church. They would love to have you back.[/quote:28813]Yeah, no thanks.
 
bibleberean said:
Some people don't seem to undersand what love is...

Do we tear out the verses where God executes wrath and judgement?

Not me. I am leaving my bible in tact.

Hebrews 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Nah, we don't tear them out. We go to a literal translation and see what God was really trying to convey and see the wonder of His love.
 
Lyric's Dad said:
bibleberean said:
Some people don't seem to undersand what love is...

Do we tear out the verses where God executes wrath and judgement?

Not me. I am leaving my bible in tact.

Hebrews 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Nah, we don't tear them out. We go to a literal translation and see what God was really trying to convey and see the wonder of His love.

I know the wonders of God's love. I also know He is a just God.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

How does your "literal translation" put the above verse?

What translation does your church use?
 
bibleberean said:
Lyric's Dad said:
bibleberean said:
Some people don't seem to undersand what love is...

Do we tear out the verses where God executes wrath and judgement?

Not me. I am leaving my bible in tact.

Hebrews 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Nah, we don't tear them out. We go to a literal translation and see what God was really trying to convey and see the wonder of His love.

I know the wonders of God's love. I also know He is a just God.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

How does your "literal translation" put the above verse?

What translation does your church use?
My church is the body of believers, wherever they may be found. I personally use the Rotherham Emphasized but also use the Young's literal and the NASB, though it has a few problems also. The only reason I use that one is it is easier to read as the original languages do not transfer over without a lot of choppy feel so I compare much of what it says to a good translation.

As for how certain scriptures are rendered correctly, I would have to say that I could link you with a Bible ware if you want. I get too many questions of multiple verses to be typing them all out.
 
bibleberean said:
God is a God of love and Mercy. He is also a just God.

He demonstrated His love by sending His Son to die on the cross to pay the price for sin.

Those who reject the offer will perish.

The message is clear.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

God's love and God's wrath.

Here is how Young's Literal translation gives John 3:36

John 3:36 he who is believing in the Son, hath life age-during; and he who is not believing the Son, shall not see life, but the wrath of God doth remain upon him.'

Here is how the NASB translates John 3:36

36"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."


How does the Rotherham Emphasized translate the verse?
 
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