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How Are We Made Right With God?

Dave...

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How Are We Made Right With God?

by Michael Bremmer

According to Barna Report, 74% of Americans strongly agree with the statement that God will judge all people! The most important question, therefore, is how does one become right with God before the day of judgment? To give a wrong answer is to misunderstand the way to heaven. For if, as someone else has said, God requires one thing of us, and we present another, then how can we be saved? If He has revealed to us how we can be right with Him and if we reject that method, and insist upon pursuing a different way, then how can we hope to be accepted? How does one become right with God?

Before answering this question, we must first answer two other questions. First, on what basis will we be judged, and, second, who will judge us? The answer to the first question, the basis of judgment, the Bible makes all too clear: "For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the Law who will be declared righteous" (Romans. 2:4). According to the Bible, we will be judged by God's Law, and only those who obey God's law will be declared right with Him.

In the Bible there is the story of a rich young ruler who asked Jesus Christ, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?" Jesus tells this young man that if he wishes eternal life, then he must keep the law; then Jesus rigidly applies what it means to keep the law so that even Jesus' disciples were astonished and said, "Then who can be saved?" (Mt. 19.16-26). The standard God will use on the coming day of judgment is His Law, perfectly kept. Our Lord Himself says that we are to "be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect" (Mt. 5.48). And, as James points out, "For whosoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, has become guilty of all" (James. 2.10).

But surely, someone might protest, God cannot judge humanity so rigidly! He must allow for mistakes, after all we are only human! However, this objection brings us to the second question, Who is it that will judge us? Perhaps a better question is, What is this Judge like? The Bible tells us that God is holy (1 Peter 1:15), righteous (Psalm 119:137 and 142), and just (Romans 3:26), therefore His treatment of us must also be holy, righteous, and just. For God to be just, He must condemn the sinner for this is what His law demands, "The soul that sinneth shall die" and, "the wages of sin is death" (Exodus 18:4; Romans 6:23). God is also immutable (Malachi 3:6) and He cannot customize His Law to fit the short comings of His creatures, and because He is just He cannot accept inferior obedience, or simply look the other way.

The law demands what the sinner cannot give-- perfect righteousness (Romans 3:23). If God is holy, righteous, and just, then the law must be satisfied: "Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?" (Genesis 18:25).

Obviously, understanding the nature of the One who will judge the world, and understanding the basis of this judgment, no one will escape a guilty sentence from God's throne. The Scriptures tell us, "Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the Law, to perform them" (Galatians. 3.10). Left to ourselves, all of us will be found guilty and condemned: "There is none righteous, not even one," "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" (Romans. 3:10, 23). The problem is not that we have some faults that maybe God will graciously overlook. We are sinners. Moreover, we are not sinners merely because we sin, but because we are inherently sinful. In other words, not only are we not right with God because we sin, but because sin dwells within us (Romans. 7:14). How can we, in this dreadful state, ever hope to be right with God? This brings us to our original question: How do I, a sinner, a transgressor of the law, become right with a holy, righteous, and just God? Given the circumstances, it is seemingly hopeless.

Now, the good news. The same God and judge of the world, who is holy, righteous, and just, who must condemn the guilty, is also a God of love (John 3:16), mercy (Ephesians 2:4), and grace (Ephesians 1:5-7); and HE has revealed a way in which He can in love, mercy, and grace freely forgive the sinner, yet remain holy, righteous and just. God's way is by giving to the undeserving sinner His own righteousness--the righteousness of God.

The Scriptures tell us, "But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction" (Romans 3.21-22). "And that I may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith" (Philippians 3:9). "He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him" (2 Corinthians 5:21). This righteousness from God, given to all who believe, is the basis for our being right with God. It is called in theological terminology "Justification." We are declared just by God because of the righteousness of Christ, freely given to all who trust in Him alone. This is the heart of the Gospel. Christ has kept the law for us (Romans 8:3-4), and in our place bore the punishment of our sins (1 Peter 2:24). We are made right with God not by our own works, but by the righteousness of another, the very righteousness of God Himself! Jesus Christ is, for all who trust in Him alone, "The Lord Our Righteousness" (Jeremiah 23:5).

What are you trusting in? Are trusting in your own righteousness? Are you trusting in your church, your baptism, your good works? Or are you wholly trusting in Christ alone, and what He has done? The answer to these questions will determine how you are judged on that awesome day when God shall judge the living and the dead (2 Timothy 4:1).

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Amen. We see so many who believe they have to contribute to their own salvation. They think they have to work to gain righteousness, they have to obey all the commandments, they have to have righteousness in themselves...not knowing it's the righteousness of Christ that has been imputed unto them for their justification before God. Then, and ony then, can they grow in grace and maturity unto the spiritual man. It's the fruit of the Spirit that we show forth as the love of God dwells in our heart.

In answer to that question, "Who then can be saved?"...It's impossible for man, but with God all things are possible.
Matt. 19:25-26 said:
When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
 
Amen back at ya glory.

Romans 10 spells it out even more clearly...

2-4 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes....

9-13 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.â€For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.â€
 
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Glorydaz

""The Scriptures tell us, "But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction" (Romans 3.21-22). "And that I may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith" (Philippians 3:9).""

This is a quote from Bremmer as quoted by Dave, who obviously believes that we are saved by our faith in Christ, not by the faith of Christ.

You were the one that started the thread, “Justified by the faith of Jesus Christâ€. And here you are agreeing with this thread. What or who changed your mind so soon?

JamesG
 
Remember the necessary conflict in Romans 2:13 and Romans 3:20. These two witnesses must live in harmony and balance in our thoughts. They will as the Father reveals his Son to us and as the Son in return reveals the Father to us.

There is the beginning justification that we personally experience and then there is the ending justification in the day of Jesus Christ.

Rom 4:25-5:1
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: KJV

Rom 2:16
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. KJV

Joe
 
Hi Joe,

Joe67 said:
Remember the necessary conflict in Romans 2:13 and Romans 3:20. These two witnesses must live in harmony and balance in our thoughts.

Romans 3:20 is clarified in 3:21-31
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... rsion=NKJV

This is also an important passage in 1 Corinthians. It clearly speaks of the basis for our justification and the extent that believers will be judged.

1 Corinthians 3:11-15 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire." Also see Galatians 2:16

This is who Paul is refering to in Romas 2:13...the context...

2:5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deedsâ€

Revelation speaks of unbelievers being judges by their works, which must be perfect and obviously won't be in light of God's perfect standards. (Revelation 20:11-15). All unbelievers will be judged by their works and fail.

There is the beginning justification that we personally experience and then there is the ending justification in the day of Jesus Christ.

When Jesus said "it is finished", the merits by which we are justified by before God were complete.

Those perfect merits which we are justified by are imputed, or credited towards us the moment we first believe and become one with Christ Jesus, beling placed into His Body. (2 Corinthians 5:21) "In Him" we become the righteousness of God.

Philippians 3:9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;

We cannot add to that. There cannot be both grace and works for justification (Romans 11:6). We cannot both glory in the blood of Christ on the cross while at the same time disparaging what Jesus did for us on the cross. If we trust in our works, even in combination with our faith, we have then rejected the righteousness of God through faith, the only thing that can justify us before God. (Romans 10:3-4, Galatians 3:10)

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

At the time of our initial, authentic, God given faith, we are immersed into the Body by Jesus with the Holy Spirit (sealed with the seal of our inheritance). We become one with Him, actually "in Christ". At that same moment, we are imputed with Christ's perfect righteous. God recons us as perfectly righteous because of what Jesus did.

Over time, He manifests Himself in our lives more and more as we progressively begin to become what God already legally recons us to be "in Christ".

Many times evidence of a true believer is spoken about in scripture and people confuse that with the merit by which we are justified by. Evidence is evidence, it's a manifestation of what we already are.

Justification cannot be a process.

Dave
 
JamesG said:
.This is a quote from Bremmer as quoted by Dave, who obviously believes that we are saved by our faith in Christ, not by the faith of Christ.

James, what do you believe is the difference between the two?

Dave
 
glorydaz said:
Amen. We see so many who believe they have to contribute to their own salvation.They think they have to work to gain righteousness, they have to obey all the commandments, they have to have righteousness in themselves...
Name one person in these recent threads who believes this.

If you were to name "Drew" or "francesdesales", you would be doing one of the following:

1. Demonstrating that you have not read our posts;
2. Demonstrating that you have difficulty in reading;
3. Bearing false witness.

glorydaz said:
not knowing it's the righteousness of Christ that has been imputed unto them for their justification before God.
Pick a text of your choice, gd, and I will provide an argument that it does not actually support the doctrine of the imputation of Christ's righteousness to the believer.
 
Dave... said:
Amen back at ya glory.

Romans 10 spells it out even more clearly...

2-4 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes....
No.

This is clearly not a statement about people in general believing that they can "earn their way to heaven". It is, instead, a pointed critique of the Jew who believes that salvation is limited to Jews and Jews only .
 
Dave... said:
9-13 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.â€For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.â€
All true. But, and I cannot emphasize this strongly enough: an assertion that heart belief that Jesus is Lord is not inconsistent with the clear Biblical truth (Romans 2, Romans 8, 2 Corinthians 5) that people are ultimately saved by good works.

Why is this not inconsistent? Precisely because God grants the Holy Spirit to those who have such heart belief and the Holy Spirit ensures that the person then produces good works unto ultimate salvation.
 
Dave... said:
Hi Joe,

Joe67 said:
Remember the necessary conflict in Romans 2:13 and Romans 3:20. These two witnesses must live in harmony and balance in our thoughts.

Romans 3:20 is clarified in 3:21-31
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... rsion=NKJV

This is also an important passage in 1 Corinthians. It clearly speaks of the basis for our justification and the extent that believers will be judged.

1 Corinthians 3:11-15 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire." Also see Galatians 2:16

This is who Paul is refering to in Romas 2:13...the context...

2:5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deedsâ€

Revelation speaks of unbelievers being judges by their works, which must be perfect and obviously won't be in light of God's perfect standards. (Revelation 20:11-15). All unbelievers will be judged by their works and fail.

There is the beginning justification that we personally experience and then there is the ending justification in the day of Jesus Christ.

When Jesus said "it is finished", the merits by which we are justified by before God were complete.

Those perfect merits which we are justified by are imputed, or credited towards us the moment we first believe and become one with Christ Jesus, beling placed into His Body. (2 Corinthians 5:21) "In Him" we become the righteousness of God.

Philippians 3:9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;

We cannot add to that. There cannot be both grace and works for justification (Romans 11:6). We cannot both glory in the blood of Christ on the cross while at the same time disparaging what Jesus did for us on the cross. If we trust in our works, even in combination with our faith, we have then rejected the righteousness of God through faith, the only thing that can justify us before God. (Romans 10:3-4, Galatians 3:10)

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

At the time of our initial, authentic, God given faith, we are immersed into the Body by Jesus with the Holy Spirit (sealed with the seal of our inheritance). We become one with Him, actually "in Christ". At that same moment, we are imputed with Christ's perfect righteous. God recons us as perfectly righteous because of what Jesus did.

Over time, He manifests Himself in our lives more and more as we progressively begin to become what God already legally recons us to be "in Christ".

Many times evidence of a true believer is spoken about in scripture and people confuse that with the merit by which we are justified by. Evidence is evidence, it's a manifestation of what we already are.

Justification cannot be a process.

Dave
Dave,

Did you discover this for yourself or did someone else tell you this?

Joe
 
Drew said:
Dave... said:
Amen back at ya glory.

Romans 10 spells it out even more clearly...

2-4 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes....
No.

This is clearly not a statement about people in general believing that they can "earn their way to heaven". It is, instead, a pointed critique of the Jew who believes that salvation is limited to Jews and Jews only .

It's a pointed critique of the Jew who believes that he can earn salvation by works. You're stumbling, Drew.

Romans 9:30-33 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. As it is written:


“ Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense,
And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.â€


"And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame" is repeated in chapter 10, vs. 11 (the second part of that passage I quoted) to drive the point home. In the middle was this...


Romans 10:1-4 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.


For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Dave
 
Luke 18:9-14 Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.â€

Joe and Drew, who was justified?
 
Dave... said:
It's a pointed critique of the Jew who believes that he can earn salvation by works. You're stumbling, Drew.
No. I am being careful in the details and following Paul's argument. This is not an argument about "good works", it is an argument that the Jew is seeking a righteousness that is limited to Jews and Jews only. And that means that this is an argument about the works of the Law of Moses, which is precisely what marks the Jew out from the Gentile. Note what Paul says about the Jew seeking a righteousness for the Jew and the Jew only:

For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. 3Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own,

It makes much more contextual sense to read this text as being a critique of the Jewish belief that ultimate salvation is for Jews and Jews only. It would make no sense for Paul to be making about the futility of salvation by good works - a pursuit that would be futile for Jew and Gentile alike.

And yet Paul does in fact make it clear that the issue here is the Jew who sees the Law of Moses as limiting salvation to the Jew and the Jew only.

Besides, the following verse makes it clear beyond doubt that is the Law of Moses, not any principle of doing "good works" in general that is on Paul's mind:

Moses describes in this way the righteousness that is by the law: "The man who does these things will live by them."

A clear and unambiguous reference to the Law of Moses.
 
Dave... said:
Romans 9:30-33 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. As it is written:


“ Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense,
And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.â€
This does no damage at all to my argument. Paul is saying that the Jew has pursued righteousness in a mode not driven by faith, but rather driven by seeing the Law of Moses as a national charter of righteousness - that God is only interested in saving Jews - as Romans 10 shows. I do not see how you think this text challenges the view that, in chapter 10, Paul is critiquing the Jew for thinking that salvation is limited to Jews and Jews only, that is, to those who do the works of the Law of Moses.

It cannot be stressed enough that the Romans 10 reference to the Jew seeking a righteousness of their own shows that Paul's argument is about Jews seeing Torah as limiting salvation to Jews only. This is not an argument against ultimate salvation by good works, it is a pointed critique of the Jew who thinks that God is only justify those who do the works of the Law of Moses.
 
Dave... said:
Luke 18:9-14 Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.â€

Joe and Drew, who was justified?
The tax collector, of course. But I do not see your point. This is certainly not a denial of ultimate justfication by good works. Which is fortunate, since otherwise we have Paul contradicting what he has written in Romans 2, Romans 8, and 2 Corinthians 5, if not elsewhere.

I know that some people simply cannot take this on board because of the framework they bring to their reading, but I will say again: Men can indeed be declared to be justified at the point of belief precisely because the Spirit, given on the basis of faith and faith alone, transforms the believer into the kind of person who will most assuredly "pass" the good works judgement of Romans 2 and 2 Corinthians 5.

This is entirely consistent with everything that Paul writes and that Jesus says. To deny ultimate justification by good works, you have to excise Romans 2:6-7 and Romans 8:13 from the Bible. We need to believe everything that PAul tells us and develop our models accordingly.
 
Drew said:
Dave... said:
It's a pointed critique of the Jew who believes that he can earn salvation by works. You're stumbling, Drew.

No. I am being careful in the details and following Paul's argument. This is not an argument about "good works", it is an argument that the Jew is seeking a righteousness that is limited to Jews and Jews only. And that means that this is an argument about the works of the Law of Moses, which is precisely what marks the Jew out from the Gentile.

Drew said:
This does no damage at all to my argument. Paul is saying that the Jew has pursued righteousness in a mode not driven by faith, but rather driven by seeing the Law of Moses as a national charter of righteousness - that God is only interested in saving Jews - as Romans 10 shows. I do not see how you think this text challenges the view that, in chapter 10, Paul is critiquing the Jew for thinking that salvation is limited to Jews and Jews only, that is, to those who do the works of the Law of Moses.

It cannot be stressed enough that the Romans 10 reference to the Jew seeking a righteousness of their own shows that Paul's argument is about Jews seeing Torah as limiting salvation to Jews only. This is not an argument against ultimate salvation by good works, it is a pointed critique of the Jew who thinks that God is only justify those who do the works of the Law of Moses.


Drew, you're trying to use the old "Law of Moses" argument as if somehow that seperates things enough to say that this passage only applies to Jews and not us. But that argument doesn't hold water. The Law as it is used in scripture, especially in the OT, is in three classes. The moral Law is for everyone for all time. The ceromonial Law ended at Christ's death. The civil Law ended with the dispersion of the Jews, this was for the nation of Israel and visiters. As Samuel Mather wrote ""The laws...delivered by Moses, were of three kinds—moral, ceremonial, and judicial.... The first, or moral law, being the law of universal or unalterable right, is binding upon all men, and is still in force."

For a person (Jew or Gentile) to try to establish his own righteousness for justification, this puts him under the law (Galatians 3:9).

Galatians 4:21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says?

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Christ has fulfilled the whole law perfectly. He's the Lamb without blemish. The Lamb of God. Whoever believes in Him is counted as just before God because of what Jesus did alone. Therefore the Law is not made void, not even for Gentiles, but established! The fact that the Law needed to be satisfied on our behalf establishes the Law. It is only grace that seperates us from being under the Law (Romans 7:4).

Paul connects what you're trying to seperate, that is Jew from Gentile in regards to the Law. Lets' see what he wrote...

Romans 3: 9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin....19-20 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and **all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21-26 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Watch this...

27-31 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Did you get that? Paul goes on...

Romans 4: 1-4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.†Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt (Also see 11:6).

Drew, our lives are a package deal. If we sinned once, no amount of obedience will take away the guilt of that one sin. We are hoplesly guilty before God by our own merits for justification.

2 Cor. 5:21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Dave
 
Drew said:
Dave... said:
Luke 18:9-14 Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.â€

Joe and Drew, who was justified?
The tax collector, of course. But I do not see your point.

What was the difference between the two men that Jesus noted?
 
Philippians 3: 4 though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: 5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; 6 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

7 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;


Think about it!

Righteousness Imputed
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Righteousness of God, The
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Justification before God
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Romans 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

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